SEC DPOTY: Michael Sam announced he is gay

[Lynch'sLamborghini]

To my eyes, Michael Sam looked flat awful at the Combine. I will not be surprised if he goes UDFA.

 

[Sarlacc83]

To my eyes, Michael Sam looked flat awful at the Combine. I will not be surprised if he goes UDFA.

17 reps on the bench will definitely lower his SPARQ rating.

 

[Hawkfan77]

To my eyes, Michael Sam looked flat awful at the Combine. I will not be surprised if he goes UDFA.

17 reps on the bench will definitely lower his SPARQ rating.

And yet no one received more coverage than him...

All I'm going to say was him coming out was a very wise career decision

 

[Scottemojo]

I'm 41 and my vertical is higher than Sam's.

 

[Lynch'sLamborghini]

To my eyes, Michael Sam looked flat awful at the Combine. I will not be surprised if he goes UDFA.

17 reps on the bench will definitely lower his SPARQ rating.

And yet no one received more coverage than him...

All I'm going to say was him coming out was a very wise career decision

Good emphasis, and I think it's important that you said "career decision" rather than "football career decision".

I have a feeling we're going to be watching Mr. Sam introduced as a contestant on Dancing with the Stars sometime before the decade is over.

 

[titan3131]

The same way that Glee made me disgusted by constantly Whining about god making a Character gay.

is the SAME WAY I FEEL ABOUT THIS tool.

he realized he wasnt going to get past the top6 rounds and devised this plot for more media attention.

Worst case scenario he gets 15 minutes of fame / martyrdom for the gay community further imposing stereotypes of football and homosexuality.

Best some dumb team... 49ers /cough get cute and think he would do great in a photo shoot with vernon davis...

either way post combine the kid a joke and a attention whore.


VERDICT UDFA

 

[ImTheScientist]

He's an undersized DE ...if he was talented I would say yes, draft him, but he is just another guy. If he wasn't gay he wouldn't even have a thread here. Nothing about his athleticism stands out.

I think it's interesting that people don't think he's anything to think twice about but he was an All-American DE and Co-Defensive Player of the year in arguably the toughest division in college football, the SEC. The dude can play, even if he isn't your prototypical LEO/DE.

No, I have thought about it. It has nothing to do with how someone will translate to the nfl.

Have you thought about it now jgfromthenw? He isn't translating to the nfl.

 

[CPHawk]

Now if he is undrafted, the stupid media will say its because he came out. Not taking into a found he's slow, small and not very strong. In fact, he reminds me of Nick Reed in those ways, dominate in college but not able to translate that to the nfl because everyone is so much bigger.

 

[Missing_Clink]

What a disastrous workout he had. Someone will surely give him a chance but he didn't help himself at all.

 

[willyum]

I'm 41 and my vertical is higher than Sam's.

+1
HAHAHAH

 

[gargantual]

Now if he is undrafted, the stupid media will say its because he came out.

You know this WILL be said. Whether by some gay activists (that's the whole point of what they do....bringing attention to their cause), or else from people trying to drum up ratings, clicks or whatever (ala Skip Bayless). It will happen.

 

[SonicHawk]

He had a crappy combine but produced for years in the SEC. Combine is meaningless, stop pretending that his poor showing even matters. Half of you in this thread are honestly one step away from calling him a bad name. If you don't care about him being gay, move on. If you understand that this actually matters in not only football but the rest of society, come and discuss.

I guarantee that if Sam doesn't get drafted it will be because of his homosexuality. If he had been quiet and none of this ever came out there's no question he would have been a late round pick regardless of the combine. nAn SEC def co-player of the year, all SEC first team, first team all american, & Bednarik semifinalist doesn't go undrafted.

This thread is proof of the BS he has to deal with as a football player and individual.

 

[SonicHawk]

The same way that Glee made me disgusted by constantly Whining about god making a Character gay.

is the SAME WAY I FEEL ABOUT THIS tool.

he realized he wasnt going to get past the top6 rounds and devised this plot for more media attention.

Worst case scenario he gets 15 minutes of fame / martyrdom for the gay community further imposing stereotypes of football and homosexuality.

Best some dumb team... 49ers /cough get cute and think he would do great in a photo shoot with vernon davis...

You're an embarrassment to Seahawks fans.

 

[SonicHawk]

Here's a crazy fact... Many NFL players have already showered with a gay teammate at least some point in their life... They may not have known that someone was gay.

This is clearly a case of "What you don't know can't hurt you." If you found proof that your neighbor of 30 years was a serial killer, would you feel just as good going to bed that night as you did the day before?

The statistical odds are almost 100% that any given NFL locker room will have at least 1 gay man in it. But it's not a problem because it's not on the players consciousness. Out of sight, out of mind. Kind of like how every potato chip you eat is leading to a future heart attack, but nobody cares because it's not front and center in your consciousness.

Sam deserves a chance to play, but I really don't like how people pretend this is a simple, right / wrong issue. It's pretty complicated, and I think compromise should not be hissed at.

If that means having a separate changing / showering area options for heteros that are uncomfortable with a gay teammate, what's so terrible about that? Seems reasonable to me. There might be some division in the locker room, but IMO a degree of isolation is inevitable with a gay football player anyway. Mike-Rob doesn't strike me as a homophobe, but he said himself that he knows a lot of NFL players that don't even want to be seen around gay dudes, don't want to be photographed with them. There are also others who may have religious objections over the lifestyle. If you bring in an openly gay player, you have to accept at least a degree of splintering. So it's best to be prepared for it and make sure the players know that mistreatment will not be tolerated, but also letting those who have fears/issues know that they will not be forced into uncomfortable situations.

Let's not forget either that the culture of NFL locker rooms, young male culture, and black culture isn't exactly gay friendly. This is going to be a challenge. To throw Sam into one of these cauldrons without proper thought and preparation does him and all future openly gay athletes a disservice.

Kearly, while you bring up excellent points for a conversation about reality I think you're missing the largest point:

Players need to get over it.

And they will.

A separate shower would be like when football was first integrated having a separate shower for whites and blacks. You want Sam to shower alone? How is that beneficial for the team? Female reporters are constantly in the locker room when players are showered, nude and giving interviews.

You're worried about showering with Sam? What are you worried about? Exactly, it's a nothing issue. Get in the shower and move on you big wuss.

This WILL be a challenge. I have no doubt. I won't be surprised if Sam has a very short career (beyond the fact that he's a late round pick). It's a lot to deal with.

 

[Scottemojo]

He had a crappy combine but produced for years in the SEC. Combine is meaningless, stop pretending that his poor showing even matters. Half of you in this thread are honestly one step away from calling him a bad name. If you don't care about him being gay, move on. If you understand that this actually matters in not only football but the rest of society, come and discuss.

I guarantee that if Sam doesn't get drafted it will be because of his homosexuality. If he had been quiet and none of this ever came out there's no question he would have been a late round pick regardless of the combine. nAn SEC def co-player of the year, all SEC first team, first team all american, & Bednarik semifinalist doesn't go undrafted.

This thread is proof of the BS he has to deal with as a football player and individual.

So if Seattle did not want the guy, it would be because of his sexuality?

 

[SonicHawk]

If Sam was available in the 7th I think there would be a good chance we would draft him.

You're going to pass up Sam because you think he's not the perfect body for the position? We drafted Irvin in the first round, I don't think Sam in the 7th is that far fetched.

I'm not a draft expert but draft experts suggest he's anywhere from 3rd-6th on football skills and measurables only. He's certainly not going to be drafted HIGHER since he came out.

 

[Cartire]

Here's a crazy fact... Many NFL players have already showered with a gay teammate at least some point in their life... They may not have known that someone was gay.

This is clearly a case of "What you don't know can't hurt you." If you found proof that your neighbor of 30 years was a serial killer, would you feel just as good going to bed that night as you did the day before?

The statistical odds are almost 100% that any given NFL locker room will have at least 1 gay man in it. But it's not a problem because it's not on the players consciousness. Out of sight, out of mind. Kind of like how every potato chip you eat is leading to a future heart attack, but nobody cares because it's not front and center in your consciousness.

Sam deserves a chance to play, but I really don't like how people pretend this is a simple, right / wrong issue. It's pretty complicated, and I think compromise should not be hissed at.

If that means having a separate changing / showering area options for heteros that are uncomfortable with a gay teammate, what's so terrible about that? Seems reasonable to me. There might be some division in the locker room, but IMO a degree of isolation is inevitable with a gay football player anyway. Mike-Rob doesn't strike me as a homophobe, but he said himself that he knows a lot of NFL players that don't even want to be seen around gay dudes, don't want to be photographed with them. There are also others who may have religious objections over the lifestyle. If you bring in an openly gay player, you have to accept at least a degree of splintering. So it's best to be prepared for it and make sure the players know that mistreatment will not be tolerated, but also letting those who have fears/issues know that they will not be forced into uncomfortable situations.

Let's not forget either that the culture of NFL locker rooms, young male culture, and black culture isn't exactly gay friendly. This is going to be a challenge. To throw Sam into one of these cauldrons without proper thought and preparation does him and all future openly gay athletes a disservice.

Kearly, while you bring up excellent points for a conversation about reality I think you're missing the largest point:

Players need to get over it.

And they will.

A separate shower would be like when football was first integrated having a separate shower for whites and blacks. You want Sam to shower alone? How is that beneficial for the team? Female reporters are constantly in the locker room when players are showered, nude and giving interviews.

You're worried about showering with Sam? What are you worried about? Exactly, it's a nothing issue. Get in the shower and move on you big wuss.

This WILL be a challenge. I have no doubt. I won't be surprised if Sam has a very short career (beyond the fact that he's a late round pick). It's a lot to deal with.

So then you agree, all bathrooms/locker rooms should be coed. I mean really, the separation of women and men is just like the separation of blacks and whites.....1

 

[SonicHawk]

So then you agree, all bathrooms/locker rooms should be coed. I mean really, the separation of women and men is just like the separation of blacks and whites.....1

Sometimes I want to slap you misquoting, misrepresenting jackals that post on this forum.

I never said anything about coed locker rooms. Michael Sam is a male. He changes in a men's locker room. Are you suggesting that he have his own locker rooms because in his personal life he enjoys the company of another gay male?

Grow up.

 

[Cartire]

So then you agree, all bathrooms/locker rooms should be coed. I mean really, the separation of women and men is just like the separation of blacks and whites.....1

Sometimes I want to slap you misquoting, misrepresenting jackals that post on this forum.

I never said anything about coed locker rooms. Michael Sam is a male. He changes in a men's locker room. Are you suggesting that he have his own locker rooms because in his personal life he enjoys the company of another gay male?

Grow up.

I'm implying you said players need to get over it, and that the separation of gays in showers was similar to blacks and whites.

Which it is not. Thus why the situation is far more complicated then simple answers like you give.

Why do you think there are separate locker rooms/bathrooms? If sexual attraction doesn't come into play (which you day doesn't matter for Sam), the why the separation? Afraid a girl is gonna laugh at you?

Listen, you say kearly brings up good point for conversation, and you rebuttal with "get over it". You need to get with it.

 

[Cartire]

So then you agree, all bathrooms/locker rooms should be coed. I mean really, the separation of women and men is just like the separation of blacks and whites.....1

Sometimes I want to slap you misquoting, misrepresenting jackals that post on this forum.

I never said anything about coed locker rooms. Michael Sam is a male. He changes in a men's locker room. Are you suggesting that he have his own locker rooms because in his personal life he enjoys the company of another gay male?

Grow up.

Also. Get over yourself. Calling me a jackal to help reinforce your argument in what possible way?

I didn't misquote you. I was being facetious in relation to your argument. The fact that your counter was an attempt to discredit me by making me into some lower form of life, on these forums, is ridiculous.

If you don't like the argument, then don't participate, but if you can use blacks and whites, then I sure as hell can use males and females.