Second Man Dies at New 49ers Stadium

[TheRealDTM]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-stadium/

"According to NBCBayArea.com, a steelworker died when steel rebar fell on him at the stadium construction site.

He’s the second worker to die on the site, as another man was killed when an elevator counterweight fell on him in June, stopping construction for two days. There were no fines or citations from the previous incident."


Wow, bad juju

 

[RolandDeschain]

Is it normal to have multiple separate deaths on a construction project of this size in this day and age? I honestly know nothing about it, but it sure doesn't seem like that should be the case.

 

[Scottemojo]

I guess they didn't want to lag too far behind Candlestick in the fatality numbers.

 

[Sarlacc83]

I guess they didn't want to lag too far behind Candlestick in the fatality numbers.

/thread.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Unless it turns out that the guy did something stupid to get himself killed, I feel sorry for him and his family.

 

[TriCHawk]

Is it normal to have multiple separate deaths on a construction project of this size in this day and age? I honestly know nothing about it, but it sure doesn't seem like that should be the case.

No, that's not normal at all. That's a nightmare. 1 death is unacceptable... but 2? Seems like that project would be shut down for a while while OSHA picks apart their safety program.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Is it normal to have multiple separate deaths on a construction project of this size in this day and age? I honestly know nothing about it, but it sure doesn't seem like that should be the case.

No, that's not normal at all. That's a nightmare. 1 death is unacceptable... but 2? Seems like that project would be shut down for a while while OSHA picks apart their safety program.

Miller Park in Milwaukee, WI had a crane accident which killed 3 people. That kind of large scale construction is a perfect place for Murphy's Law.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I understand one incident resulting in death, whether it's one death or 23. Still one incident, or one time, that is. Two separate incidents, however, seems like some base safety problem.

 

[JSeahawks]

Can we be above mAking jokes about somebody dying please?

 

[C-Dub]

Can we be above mAking jokes about somebody dying please?

A little sensitive?

Joking is a way to lighten the mood. We all know it's a serious matter and a tragic event.

 

[Scottemojo]

Sorry, J. I have worked in heavy construction, the gallows humor stems from there.

 

[mikeak]

I understand one incident resulting in death, whether it's one death or 23. Still one incident, or one time, that is. Two separate incidents, however, seems like some base safety problem.

It is not normal - it is really freaking bad

The thing with two incidents is that they were probably different Subcontractors doing the work. Different areas of work different Subs.

But the general contractor manages the job and has the safety programs. Subs should hold to them and two sever accidents points to lack of overall safety management even if the deaths gets "pinned" on the sbucontractors instead of the Contractor.

 

[ivotuk]

They usually have nets below the work to catch falling objects. Be interesting to see where that rebar came from.

 

[TriCHawk]

Is it normal to have multiple separate deaths on a construction project of this size in this day and age? I honestly know nothing about it, but it sure doesn't seem like that should be the case.

No, that's not normal at all. That's a nightmare. 1 death is unacceptable... but 2? Seems like that project would be shut down for a while while OSHA picks apart their safety program.

Miller Park in Milwaukee, WI had a crane accident which killed 3 people. That kind of large scale construction is a perfect place for Murphy's Law.

I remember this - That was a Lampson crane (based out of Tri-Cities). These are the things that happen when you put schedule/cost ahead of safety. Not saying that's what happened in Santa Clara, but it seems like more often than not, being under the pressure of a tight schedule leads to accidents.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I think general building construction in this country is still in the stone age. It's ridiculous. There's a construction company in China that basically manufactures everything off site and puts as much together as possible, and they come in and just to general assembly. They built a hotel casino resort that was like 30 stories tall in less than a month that way, but every freaking construction job in this country is a year or longer, practically. It's pathetic. Spread your guys so thin that it's easy to overcharge for materials as prices go up, and all kinds of other crap.

 

[HawkWow]

Is it normal to have multiple separate deaths on a construction project of this size in this day and age? I honestly know nothing about it, but it sure doesn't seem like that should be the case.

No, that's not normal at all. That's a nightmare. 1 death is unacceptable... but 2? Seems like that project would be shut down for a while while OSHA picks apart their safety program.

Excellent points, but OSHA is only as good as the investigating officers. I'm sure the SF FO can easily influence / manipulate such public servants.

But after TWO deaths? You're 100% correct. Especially on a high profile build such as this, the place will soon be crawling with agencies we've never even heard of before. Additionally, because of the high profile nature of this future zoo, the families will definitely be getting compensated, if there is such a thing, for the loss of these men. Very sad and disturbing. We've never lost an employee and do our genuine best to make everything, and everyone, as safe as possible. Schedule or profit should never supersede the safety of the employee. I don't ever want to make THAT call to someone's loved one. God forbid, I'd rather be poor.

 

[Axx]

i thought all those liberal regulations were suppose to prevent these type of problems

 

[RolandDeschain]

i thought all those liberal regulations were suppose to prevent these type of problems

The problem with ever-increasing safety to compensate for stupidity and bad luck is it tends to lead to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltzman_effect

 

[Largent80]

Geebus, are they building Hoover Dam II?

 

[mikeak]

i thought all those liberal regulations were suppose to prevent these type of problems

The problem with ever-increasing safety to compensate for stupidity and bad luck is it tends to lead to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltzman_effect

From that article

However this effect may be small compared to the fundamental benefits of these interventions, resulting in a net safety benefit, albeit one slightly smaller than was expected