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Matter of fact, hope is exactly what the FO was working off of. Stupid and desperate. The three often go together.
MontanaHawk05":1jvqzeaw said:NJlargent":1jvqzeaw said:No one is going to give multiple picks for Bennett and his drama. He is still a decent DL but this team needs to get young and hungry. Let him go.
This team needs to get GOOD. Not young and hungry. Good.
Young and hungry is one possible way to do that. But young and hungry doesn't automatically equal good. This Seahawks defense was young and hungry in 2011 as well as 2013. I think people forget that, and seem to think that 2013 was their first year on the field or something.
Other teams are going to judge Bennett by his value to their team, rather than letting their judgment get clouded by his personal activism as so many fans are doing.
MontanaHawk05":1isr5kyb said:NJlargent":1isr5kyb said:No one is going to give multiple picks for Bennett and his drama. He is still a decent DL but this team needs to get young and hungry. Let him go.
This team needs to get GOOD. Not young and hungry. Good.
Young and hungry is one possible way to do that. But young and hungry doesn't automatically equal good. This Seahawks defense was young and hungry in 2011 as well as 2013. I think people forget that, and seem to think that 2013 was their first year on the field or something.
Other teams are going to judge Bennett by his value to their team, rather than letting their judgment get clouded by his personal activism as so many fans are doing.
MontanaHawk05":1afbmpp0 said:NJlargent":1afbmpp0 said:No one is going to give multiple picks for Bennett and his drama. He is still a decent DL but this team needs to get young and hungry. Let him go.
This team needs to get GOOD. Not young and hungry. Good.
Young and hungry is one possible way to do that. But young and hungry doesn't automatically equal good. This Seahawks defense was young and hungry in 2011 as well as 2013. I think people forget that, and seem to think that 2013 was their first year on the field or something.
Other teams are going to judge Bennett by his value to their team, rather than letting their judgment get clouded by his personal activism as so many fans are doing.
Sgt. Largent":32autbx0 said:Young and hungry is really our only choice right now. We tried the old and experienced way the last 2-3 years, and it didn't work.
Now we have aging vets soaking up too much cap space, and a coach and GM that leveraged the next couple of years with bad trades.
So what other choice do we have but to try and reload the roster with youth........especially on defense.
Sgt. Largent":2tksbb81 said:chris98251":2tksbb81 said:Sgt. Largent":2tksbb81 said:vin.couve12":2tksbb81 said:I'm not against trading him for the right reason and for the right price, but what is this infighting or locker room drama that's being thrown around? I've seen nothing to suggest that there have been any locker room problems. The people that seem to have the most problems with him are certain Seahawks fans. Can the locker room claims be clarified with any legitimacy?
There's never been any locker room drama with Bennett between his coaches and teammates. They all love him.
chris is obviously throwing in some protest hyperbole and thinking that's playing into why the team is shopping him. Which IMO isn't true, Bennett's being shopped because he's one of a handful of players that has trade value in order to restock this year's draft.
It was not about Bennett specifically, we have had Sherman, in the Media, we have had guys get DUI's or arrested for intoxication Moffat, Lynch, Hill, we have had guys accused of Domestic Violence, we have had infighting distractions, Tate / Wilson, Baldwin / Harvin, Clark / Ifedi. Then we have Trades, Cary Williams caused a bunch of dissent, then hold outs Kam.
You have distractions every year, so saying the team was not going to have distractions is really just wanting to burn Bennett at the stake, stick that up your Hyperbole.
Exaggerating your point with zero facts about their being locker room drama is hyperbole.
Not one player or coach has said Bennett, or any player has been an issue in the locker room. If you have proof, please offer it up.
I get what you're saying, but Bennett or any player being a locker room distraction is your baseless opinion. btw, I tend to agree with you, I'm tired of the distractions and nonsense to, I'd like to get back to concentrating on football.
But that's also my opinion. There's no proof.
2017 was supposed to be the season of no distractions... except it wasn't and Michael was at the heart of it.
That's why I'm ready for the Hawks to move on without him.
MontanaHawk05":h4fzbu69 said:Wait, what?
Earl isn't old. If he's old, so is Wagner, and nobody's crying out for Wagner to be traded for a first rounder. And I'm willing to bet that a big part of the reason nobody's jonesing to "offload Wagner at his prime because Belichick" (seriously, why doesn't the same logic apply to him?) is because he hasn't done anything off the field that fans take the wrong way. I'd bet a buffalo nickel on that.
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Your analysis is correct, but it only focuses on the one year.vin.couve12":8sbrxcty said:7.3 - 5.65 = $1.65 Million gain on the cap.
$5.65 Million is still paying for absolutely nothing.
Now, what are the paying rates for the first year of a 5th or 6th round draft pick and subtract that from the $1.65 million gain against the cap. Then, what does that 5th or 6th round pick net you in terms of productivity? Is that a net gain over the cap savings for this particular year?
Who man's the position next year? Many are assuming Jordan, which is perfectly sane, but there's still a gamble there. What other alternatives are there? How certain are you that this whole scenario positively affects the Seahawks' chances of winning a superbowl next year?
MontanaHawk05":2z1muu9z said:Sgt. Largent":2z1muu9z said:Young and hungry is really our only choice right now. We tried the old and experienced way the last 2-3 years, and it didn't work.
Now we have aging vets soaking up too much cap space, and a coach and GM that leveraged the next couple of years with bad trades.
So what other choice do we have but to try and reload the roster with youth........especially on defense.
Wait, what?
Earl isn't old. If he's old, so is Wagner, and nobody's crying out for Wagner to be traded for a first rounder. And I'm willing to bet that a big part of the reason nobody's jonesing to "offload Wagner at his prime because Belichick" (seriously, why doesn't the same logic apply to him?) is because he hasn't done anything off the field that fans take the wrong way. I'd bet a buffalo nickel on that.
Nobody wanted Avril gone right up until he got injured, and his particular injury could have happened to Shaquill Griffin. Without the off-the-field concerns, nobody would be seeing anything on Michael Bennett except the 8.5 sacks he supplied us last year. Richard Sherman? Still a shutdown corner. Every one of these stars has been producing at a Pro Bowl level. Nobody is factoring ANY of this in, and nobody has yet offered up any statistical refutation of their performances. This is still a very good group of defenders.
Ignoring the total lack of run game in the last two years, Wilson's annual faceplant in the playoffs (he's been VERY iffy there, both in 2014 and 2015), the offensive line, and kicker woes as far more tangible factors in our playoff struggles is a mind-blowing development here on .NET.
Don't get me wrong, I am quite impressed that people have found something to bitch about MORE then the offensive line, but the age of the defense is far down the ladder of causes of our playoff woes, especially given that Seattle worked around practically every one of those defensive injuries quite nicely last year. People are howling after one of the least proximate causes here. And I am very strongly of the opinion that it's SOLELY because of injury frustration and off-the-field issues, which are emotional projections and not really based in a real value assessment.
Yxes1122":3rs84h07 said:But I tend to think of things in terms of the next 3 years. What is better for Seattle in the next 3 years? In the early days John and Pete stressed the 3 year plan and not mortgaging the future for the sake of the present. We did that last year. The reason we are sitting here with a tight cap and lack of picks is because we bet on the old core to get us to the promised land. And it didn't happen.
When I look at the next three years, holding onto Bennett doesn't seem all that valuable. I don't think this roster is competitive within the NFC as currently constructed. This is how I justify trading Bennett. Over the span of the next three years the potential of that pick, as an actual player or ammunition to get a player you want, is more valuable than Bennett..
Oh, come on - get real. I'm contractually obligated to show up at our annual company all-staff meeting, but I'm smart enough to not use it as a pulpit for anything related to politics/war/religion/race. Nor are any of the "stars" in our company who could get away with it due to their positions. Where the hell is it written that you have to take the good with the bad from an employee? In fact, the OPPOSITE is actually written. I believe you need to have a more realistic viewpoint on this.vin.couve12":2l1ye8pf said:It would seem to me that people who don't want to take the good with the bad in terms of what players say, should take that up with the NFL that literally contracts players to talk to the media, contractually has them go out for ceremonies at games, etc.
RolandDeschain":37vhvjma said:Oh, come on - get real. I'm contractually obligated to show up at our annual company all-staff meeting, but I'm smart enough to not use it as a pulpit for anything related to politics/war/religion/race. Nor are any of the "stars" in our company who could get away with it due to their positions. Where the hell is it written that you have to take the good with the bad from an employee? In fact, the OPPOSITE is actually written. I believe you need to have a more realistic viewpoint on this.vin.couve12":37vhvjma said:It would seem to me that people who don't want to take the good with the bad in terms of what players say, should take that up with the NFL that literally contracts players to talk to the media, contractually has them go out for ceremonies at games, etc.
Sgt. Largent":1pj54hnn said:and weren't very good.
Sgt. Largent":1pj54hnn said:And believe me you WILL hear about Bobby being traded this time next year if he like Earl gets hurt again and is barking about an extension/holdout.
MontanaHawk05":1ejstivm said:Sgt. Largent":1ejstivm said:and weren't very good.
You're just misrepresenting facts now. I'm disappointed.
Sgt. Largent":37wamq3b said:MontanaHawk05":37wamq3b said:Sgt. Largent":37wamq3b said:and weren't very good.
You're just misrepresenting facts now. I'm disappointed.
Where did I write that?
Sgt. Largent":37wamq3b said:MontanaHawk05":37wamq3b said:Wait, what?
Earl isn't old. If he's old, so is Wagner, and nobody's crying out for Wagner to be traded for a first rounder. And I'm willing to bet that a big part of the reason nobody's jonesing to "offload Wagner at his prime because Belichick" (seriously, why doesn't the same logic apply to him?) is because he hasn't done anything off the field that fans take the wrong way. I'd bet a buffalo nickel on that.
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Right now the core of our defense is Clark, Wagner and Earl............and we're shopping Earl because we don't want to pay him 15M+ per year for the next 3-4 years.
His age is young, but the way he plays he's going down the same injury road as Kam. So like Bennett do you hold onto him hoping he stays healthy while soaking up major cap space, or do you trade him now when;
1. You're rebuilding and desperately need the picks
2. He still has value
And if you believe holding onto guys like Earl, Sherman and Bennett hoping they stay healthy and produce again is the way to go? We did that the last two years when these guys weren't hurt, and weren't very good. What's it going to look in another year or two when we still haven't rebuilt?
And believe me you WILL hear about Bobby being traded this time next year if he like Earl gets hurt again and is barking about an extension/holdout.
Yxes1122":27rriuy1 said:But I tend to think of things in terms of the next 3 years. What is better for Seattle in the next 3 years? In the early days John and Pete stressed the 3 year plan and not mortgaging the future for the sake of the present. We did that last year. The reason we are sitting here with a tight cap and lack of picks is because we bet on the old core to get us to the promised land. And it didn't happen.
Sgt. Largent":2v5iookq said:MontanaHawk05":2v5iookq said:Sgt. Largent":2v5iookq said:and weren't very good.
You're just misrepresenting facts now. I'm disappointed.
Where did I write that?
And if you believe holding onto guys like Earl, Sherman and Bennett hoping they stay healthy and produce again is the way to go? We did that the last two years when these guys weren't hurt, and weren't very good.
Seymour":23aedoxo said:Sgt. Largent":23aedoxo said:MontanaHawk05":23aedoxo said:Sgt. Largent":23aedoxo said:and weren't very good.
You're just misrepresenting facts now. I'm disappointed.
Where did I write that?
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Sgt. Largent":23aedoxo said:MontanaHawk05":23aedoxo said:Wait, what?
Earl isn't old. If he's old, so is Wagner, and nobody's crying out for Wagner to be traded for a first rounder. And I'm willing to bet that a big part of the reason nobody's jonesing to "offload Wagner at his prime because Belichick" (seriously, why doesn't the same logic apply to him?) is because he hasn't done anything off the field that fans take the wrong way. I'd bet a buffalo nickel on that.
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Right now the core of our defense is Clark, Wagner and Earl............and we're shopping Earl because we don't want to pay him 15M+ per year for the next 3-4 years.
His age is young, but the way he plays he's going down the same injury road as Kam. So like Bennett do you hold onto him hoping he stays healthy while soaking up major cap space, or do you trade him now when;
1. You're rebuilding and desperately need the picks
2. He still has value
And if you believe holding onto guys like Earl, Sherman and Bennett hoping they stay healthy and produce again is the way to go? We did that the last two years when these guys weren't hurt, and weren't very good. What's it going to look in another year or two when we still haven't rebuilt?
And believe me you WILL hear about Bobby being traded this time next year if he like Earl gets hurt again and is barking about an extension/holdout.