This is the problem!!

[AgentDib]

I don't disagree with anything Tyler says here. He is talking not just about the players ability to recognize what the defense is doing, but the ability of the coaches and players to find a solution from the list of choices they have available. And no, Pete isn't involved in that process directly but as the person who employs Russ, Waldron, and Dickerson then he is responsible for their efforts.

Many here do not seem to understand how much work goes into developing and practicing specific plays. There are a ton of specific nuances for each one that are hammered through with repetition. By the time it gets to game day, they aren't just drawing up new plays in the dirt like a Disney movie, they are looking at a list of 30 or so of their favorite plays that they practiced over and over and determining which would take best advantage of whatever wrinkles they are seeing.

I'm also going to keep mentioning that this is a new scheme under limited practice rules. Nobody should expect anywhere near 100% effectiveness yet. It would be nice if we were at 75% effectiveness, and when it looks like we are at 0% effectiveness that is a major problem that casts legitimate doubt on the whole endeavor. But it is a valid excuse, and excuses are explanations.

Another factor to keep in mind with play calling is that there is a factor of luck involved. It's akin to a game of rock-paper-scissors where there is a sizeable element of guesswork. A good play can look stupid if the defense guesses right, and a bad play can look great if the defense guesses wrong.

A good example of this is when you see the DB start off in press coverage, back off right before the snap, and then Russ looks immediately hesitant. That's because his first option was probably a shot to that receiver but now he doesn't want to throw it against off coverage. On the other hand, if we had a little quick out dialed up then it suddenly looks great and picks up 10 yards, with the only difference being pure guesswork from the defender immediately before the snap.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I don't disagree with anything Tyler says here. He is talking not just about the players ability to recognize what the defense is doing, but the ability of the coaches and players to find a solution from the list of choices they have available. And no, Pete isn't involved in that process directly but as the person who employs Russ, Waldron, and Dickerson then he is responsible for their efforts.

Many here do not seem to understand how much work goes into developing and practicing specific plays. There are a ton of specific nuances for each one that are hammered through with repetition. By the time it gets to game day, they aren't just drawing up new plays in the dirt like a Disney movie, they are looking at a list of 30 or so of their favorite plays that they practiced over and over and determining which would take best advantage of whatever wrinkles they are seeing.

I'm also going to keep mentioning that this is a new scheme under limited practice rules. Nobody should expect anywhere near 100% effectiveness yet. It would be nice if we were at 75% effectiveness, and when it looks like we are at 0% effectiveness that is a major problem that casts legitimate doubt on the whole endeavor. But it is a valid excuse, and excuses are explanations.

Another factor to keep in mind with play calling is that there is a factor of luck involved. It's akin to a game of rock-paper-scissors where there is a sizeable element of guesswork. A good play can look stupid if the defense guesses right, and a bad play can look great if the defense guesses wrong.

A good example of this is when you see the DB start off in press coverage, back off right before the snap, and then Russ looks immediately hesitant. That's because his first option was probably a shot to that receiver but now he doesn't want to throw it against off coverage. On the other hand, if we had a little quick out dialed up then it suddenly looks great and picks up 10 yards, with the only difference being pure guesswork from the defender immediately before the snap.

This all true and why passing plays are designed with route combinations to counter some of that randomness. Good QBs get paid to decipher those nuances and get the ball to the best option. Bad QBs either can't do it or can't do it fast enough to be effective

 

[xray]

So they play the game exactly how they practiced for an opponent ; regardless how the opponent presents itself during the actual game ? SNAFU

 

[keasley45]

Here's one for you John63

https://twitter.com/tejfbanalytics/stat ... 43686?s=20


And another one

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/sta ... 07042?s=20

That is telling. Nice find.

It's not hate. Russ Is just not good reading defenses. The evidence is literally everywhere.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Except Russ and Pete came out and said the Cards did what was expected and they didn't know what Tyler was referring to.

Which is worse, teams doing different things than you're seeing on film or admitting they're doing what you saw on film, and you still couldn't come up with gameplans and playcalls to be successful.

Pete should have sided with Tyler, what he said is worse. "Oh yeah, teams are doing what we see on film, but hey we still have no answers!"

 

[Seymour]

Seems like an easy problem to me. Just do the opposite of what you've been doing and beat them at their own game! What happened to Pete's old mantra "It's not about them it's about us" anyways?

 

[chris98251]

Except Russ and Pete came out and said the Cards did what was expected and they didn't know what Tyler was referring to.

Which is worse, teams doing different things than you're seeing on film or admitting they're doing what you saw on film, and you still couldn't come up with gameplans and playcalls to be successful.

Pete should have sided with Tyler, what he said is worse. "Oh yeah, teams are doing what we see on film, but hey we still have no answers!"

The fact you have two opposite perspectives with guys that are supposed to be on the same page doesn't tell you things are broken in Oz ?

 

[scutterhawk]

"“Honestly, all of these teams are not playing what they play on film," Lockett remarked. "They are literally not, so it’s hard to be able to get ready. Every time you get ready to go against a team, they might play man-to-man their whole entire 7-8 games, and then they play us, and they don’t play man once.""

"As emphasized by Carroll, Lockett, and several players on Sunday, the Seahawks have been happy with what they've accomplished on the practice field leading up to games in recent weeks. But that hasn't translated to game action and Lockett's comments suggest part of that may be due to game planning complications with other teams changing things up when they play them."


This spells a lack of adjustments and that is coaching

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/new...g-assessment-of-seahawks-third-down-struggles

OF course, there is more. But the point is its a huge issue and only coaching can solve it problem is, it has existed for some time and is only now costing them big.

Again I ask the question why do you think Carroll is running the O? what information do you have that I don't?


LTH

I can't swear it being true, but it would seem to me, that Pete (being a Defensive minded Coach) would throw as much of his Defensive strategies at his Offense, OF WHAT HE EXPECTS might be coming from their next opponents, so as to prepare them for that particular game, problem is (as I see it), Lockett pretty much explained, that, what they had prepared for? wasn't actually what they got.
The Coaches are nowhere near making alterations as quick as needed, and that goes for BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL.
And for these Post Game gigs? I for the most part, of the belief, that we are mostly hearing generic explanations from our Players & Coaches, as they are obviously stymied, and don't really have legit answers for the media, and even if they did, I wouldn't expect them to do a 'Tell All'.
There are still seven games left to play, so I doubt they'd give the next opponents any pertinent details?
I know many would assume, & ask, 'Well, IF they already have the blueprints, as shown by the teams that have beaten them, isn't the cat already out of the bag'? & I'd answer, IF they used that "Blueprint" and lost, they will have shown zero innovation, or respect for their opponents to maybe finding their way out of their funk.

 

[scutterhawk]

"“Honestly, all of these teams are not playing what they play on film," Lockett remarked. "They are literally not, so it’s hard to be able to get ready. Every time you get ready to go against a team, they might play man-to-man their whole entire 7-8 games, and then they play us, and they don’t play man once.""

"As emphasized by Carroll, Lockett, and several players on Sunday, the Seahawks have been happy with what they've accomplished on the practice field leading up to games in recent weeks. But that hasn't translated to game action and Lockett's comments suggest part of that may be due to game planning complications with other teams changing things up when they play them."


This spells a lack of adjustments and that is coaching

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/new...g-assessment-of-seahawks-third-down-struggles

OF course, there is more. But the point is its a huge issue and only coaching can solve it problem is, it has existed for some time and is only now costing them big.

FINALLY, a half page rebuttals instead of a one word cameo. J63 is almost back!

And that's the extent of your contribution? why was this comment even necessary?

 

[scutterhawk]

Elite WRs often make their QB look good, Angry's an elite slot receiver, if you watch enough film, he did make Russ looked good. Or you can say Russ made him look good. Lockett no doubt made Russ looked good by making adjustments when Russ was doing his escape routine, if Tyler couldn't make himself open, Russ's running around buying would be just running around.

This is a really good point ^^ AND would explain a lot of WHY everything has been looking so dysfunctional since Doug Baldwins' departure.

 

[Fade]

Here's one for you John63

https://twitter.com/tejfbanalytics/stat ... 43686?s=20


And another one

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/sta ... 07042?s=20

That is telling. Nice find.

It's not hate. Russ Is just not good reading defenses. The evidence is literally everywhere.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1461416417249669128[/tweet]

Yeah, he's terrible.

 

[scutterhawk]

I don't disagree with anything Tyler says here. He is talking not just about the players ability to recognize what the defense is doing, but the ability of the coaches and players to find a solution from the list of choices they have available. And no, Pete isn't involved in that process directly but as the person who employs Russ, Waldron, and Dickerson then he is responsible for their efforts.

Many here do not seem to understand how much work goes into developing and practicing specific plays. There are a ton of specific nuances for each one that are hammered through with repetition. By the time it gets to game day, they aren't just drawing up new plays in the dirt like a Disney movie, they are looking at a list of 30 or so of their favorite plays that they practiced over and over and determining which would take best advantage of whatever wrinkles they are seeing.

I'm also going to keep mentioning that this is a new scheme under limited practice rules. Nobody should expect anywhere near 100% effectiveness yet. It would be nice if we were at 75% effectiveness, and when it looks like we are at 0% effectiveness that is a major problem that casts legitimate doubt on the whole endeavor. But it is a valid excuse, and excuses are explanations.

Another factor to keep in mind with play calling is that there is a factor of luck involved. It's akin to a game of rock-paper-scissors where there is a sizeable element of guesswork. A good play can look stupid if the defense guesses right, and a bad play can look great if the defense guesses wrong.

A good example of this is when you see the DB start off in press coverage, back off right before the snap, and then Russ looks immediately hesitant. That's because his first option was probably a shot to that receiver but now he doesn't want to throw it against off coverage. On the other hand, if we had a little quick out dialed up then it suddenly looks great and picks up 10 yards, with the only difference being pure guesswork from the defender immediately before the snap.

So, the Defenses reading the Offensive play, as good, or better than the Offense reading their own play. LOLOL how sad is that?

 

[scutterhawk]

Here's one for you John63

https://twitter.com/tejfbanalytics/stat ... 43686?s=20


And another one

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/sta ... 07042?s=20

That is telling. Nice find.

It's not hate. Russ Is just not good reading defenses. The evidence is literally everywhere.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1461416417249669128[/tweet]

Yeah, he's terrible.

This? ^ This right here? is some really funny chit. :rofl:

 

[chris98251]

Here's one for you John63

https://twitter.com/tejfbanalytics/stat ... 43686?s=20


And another one

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/sta ... 07042?s=20

That is telling. Nice find.

It's not hate. Russ Is just not good reading defenses. The evidence is literally everywhere.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1461416417249669128[/tweet]

Yeah, he's terrible.

Ahh Penny has what something like an average of 8 yards a carry this season, we should resign the guy, he is obviously money.

 

[keasley45]

Here's one for you John63

https://twitter.com/tejfbanalytics/stat ... 43686?s=20


And another one

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/sta ... 07042?s=20

That is telling. Nice find.

It's not hate. Russ Is just not good reading defenses. The evidence is literally everywhere.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1461416417249669128[/tweet]

Yeah, he's terrible.

This? ^ This right here? is some really funny chit. :rofl:

Great you found something he's good at. So when he does complete his high percentage passes to the flat that gets us hardly any yards, or his bombs to Lockett or Metcalf after he scrambles around for 3 seconds, it's usually against zone. Good to know. And also good to know that he most often completes those passes against zone, its on downs when they aren't expecting us to pass, because when defenses know he's going ro pass, he near worst in the league.
Good thing we abandon the running game every week... :sarcasm_off:

 

[Fade]

That is telling. Nice find.

It's not hate. Russ Is just not good reading defenses. The evidence is literally everywhere.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1461416417249669128[/tweet]

Yeah, he's terrible.

This? ^ This right here? is some really funny chit. :rofl:

Great you found something he's good at. So when he does complete his high percentage passes to the flat that gets us hardly any yards, or his bombs to Lockett or Metcalf after he scrambles around for 3 seconds, it's usually against zone. Good to know. And also good to know that he most often completes those passes against zone, its on downs when they aren't expecting us to pass, because when defenses know he's going ro pass, he near worst in the league. Good thing we abandon the running game every week... :sarcasm_off:

The Seahawks at one point early in the game against AZ ran the ball 10 straight times. They are inept.
Did you ever stop to ponder that the Seahawks might have the most predictable offensive scheme in the NFL?

Also Wilson, doesn't check down, or throw short. He only goes deep! Remember? So now he's a check-down artist? Man, you're twisting yourself into knots.

 

[keasley45]

PCs presser was telling, and a little frustrating for the passive criticism of Russ.

Notable was that he agrees that defenses don't play the hawks the way you'd expect given their tape... but said that's not a surprise. Said they all play Russ a specific way and that's known. - And a backhanded criticism of Russ and the offense that all defenses do it, it's not a surprise, and we can't stop it.

When asked about Russ's decision making in the redzone Sunday and specifically his off target pass to Everett when he had DK open underneath... Pete said basically that that's what Russ always does [take the hard play] and that he's been doing it for years.

And when asked about whether he and Russ are aligned on what needs to be done moving forward, he was evasive at best, saying they'd spoken already and said that he'd expressed his concern about the poor 3rd down conversion. He did say he expressed the desire for Russ to better control things.

PC is in a hard spot. He's walking thr line between being a disciplinarian and a business man. The disciplinarian should call the QB out and set the shop straight... set the example. But in the business end, if you come out and say Russ is failing, you get less for him this offseason.

Crap hand to be dealt. Should have moved him last year.

 

[Fade]

PCs presser was telling, and a little frustrating for the passive criticism of Russ.

Notable was that he agrees that defenses don't play the hawks the way you'd expect given their tape... but said that's not a surprise. Said they all play Russ a specific way and that's known. - And a backhanded criticism of Russ and the offense that all defenses do it, it's not a surprise, and we can't stop it.

When asked about Russ's decision making in the redzone Sunday and specifically his off target pass to Everett when he had DK open underneath... Pete said basically that that's what Russ always does [take the hard play] and that he's been doing it for years.

And when asked about whether he and Russ are aligned on what needs to be done moving forward, he was evasive at best, saying they'd spoken already and said that he'd expressed his concern about the poor 3rd down conversion. He did say he expressed the desire for Russ to better control things.

PC is in a hard spot. He's walking thr line between being a disciplinarian and a business man. The disciplinarian should call the QB out and set the shop straight... set the example. But in the business end, if you come out and say Russ is failing, you get less for him this offseason.

Crap hand to be dealt. Should have moved him last year.

Pete dealt his own hand. He IS the dealer.

 

[John63]

PCs presser was telling, and a little frustrating for the passive criticism of Russ.

Notable was that he agrees that defenses don't play the hawks the way you'd expect given their tape... but said that's not a surprise. Said they all play Russ a specific way and that's known. - And a backhanded criticism of Russ and the offense that all defenses do it, it's not a surprise, and we can't stop it.

When asked about Russ's decision making in the redzone Sunday and specifically his off target pass to Everett when he had DK open underneath... Pete said basically that that's what Russ always does [take the hard play] and that he's been doing it for years.

And when asked about whether he and Russ are aligned on what needs to be done moving forward, he was evasive at best, saying they'd spoken already and said that he'd expressed his concern about the poor 3rd down conversion. He did say he expressed the desire for Russ to better control things.

PC is in a hard spot. He's walking thr line between being a disciplinarian and a business man. The disciplinarian should call the QB out and set the shop straight... set the example. But in the business end, if you come out and say Russ is failing, you get less for him this offseason.

Crap hand to be dealt. Should have moved him last year.

Pete dealt his own hand. He IS the dealer.

LOll a great interpretation of what you want to hear PC say. TO and that's not what was said and given you added no link you already knew it.


Wowo I just listed again and PC said it starts with Coaching, and the coaches need to figure it out. Hmm no place did he say " [take the hard play] " Funny almost nothing you mentioned he says. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ieRO9vQ_Y Interesting so if you have another link that verifies your view post it because the one I posted does not support your statement.

but her is the one you will hate to hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxINo_Du_dc






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxINo_Du_dc

 

[keasley45]

PCs presser was telling, and a little frustrating for the passive criticism of Russ.

Notable was that he agrees that defenses don't play the hawks the way you'd expect given their tape... but said that's not a surprise. Said they all play Russ a specific way and that's known. - And a backhanded criticism of Russ and the offense that all defenses do it, it's not a surprise, and we can't stop it.

When asked about Russ's decision making in the redzone Sunday and specifically his off target pass to Everett when he had DK open underneath... Pete said basically that that's what Russ always does [take the hard play] and that he's been doing it for years.

And when asked about whether he and Russ are aligned on what needs to be done moving forward, he was evasive at best, saying they'd spoken already and said that he'd expressed his concern about the poor 3rd down conversion. He did say he expressed the desire for Russ to better control things.

PC is in a hard spot. He's walking thr line between being a disciplinarian and a business man. The disciplinarian should call the QB out and set the shop straight... set the example. But in the business end, if you come out and say Russ is failing, you get less for him this offseason.

Crap hand to be dealt. Should have moved him last year.

Pete dealt his own hand. He IS the dealer.

LOll a great interpretation of what you want to hear PC say. TO and that's not what was said and given you added no link you already knew it.


Wowo I just listed again and PC said it starts with Coaching, and the coaches need to figure it out. Hmm no place did he say " [take the hard play] " Funny almost nothing you mentioned he says. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ieRO9vQ_Y Interesting so if you have another link that verifies your view post it because the one I posted does not support your statement.

but her is the one you will hate to hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxINo_Du_dc






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxINo_Du_dc

1st. I'm talking about his conference that was posted on Brock and Salk today, which is on Tunein for me, which I have a subscription for so there wouldn't be a link. But you probably already heard it...

2nd. I don't pedal lies and conspiracies. Pete said what I paraphrased.

3rd. I don't understand what it is I wouldn't like about the link you posted.

4th. I don't have an agenda or a horse in this race. I just choose to rely on what I know about the game from having played it, my following the hawks beyond just archair qbing and latching on to BS 'hunches' about what coaches are mysteriously doing behind the scenes- I actually rewatch 90% of the games from more than just the TV broadcast. And I have enough common sense to look at the team and see what's obvious to most folks who understand how the qb position is supposed to be played.

But thanks for posting the links.