What positions do the hawks have NOT filled by top 5 player

[gowazzu02]

What positions do the hawks have that isn't filled by a player top 5 in his position.

Of starting 22 plus STs.
Go

 

[titan3131]

Current

center
left guard
Right tackle
right guard
left tackle (arguable)

Wide reciever (Hoping this changes with locket, matthews, and baldwin having breakout years with JG opening it up for them)

 

[Seahawks1Fan]

Right off the top of my head I would say...

Entire offensive line
Wide Receivers
Defensive end
Defensive tackle
Outside linebacker
Right cornerback spot

 

[hawknation2015]

What positions do the hawks have that isn't filled by a player top 5 in his position.

Of starting 22 plus STs.
Go

IMO . . .

No
C, LG, RT, LT, RG, FB, WRx3, DT, NCB, RCB, P, LS, and KR/PR.

Yes
RB, QB, TE, NT, DEx2, MLB, WLB, SLB, SS, FS, LCB, and K.

 

[Mick063]

To counter those that didn't, I'll put the punter in there.

Seahawk numbers for punt return yardage, in the Carroll era, have been incredibly good. There is a lot more to do with that than just speed at gunner. Hang time baby. Throw in some fine directional, situational punting and I would be hard pressed to find five punters I would choose over Ryan.

 

[Popeyejones]

Easier to say where they are Top 5, IMO

RB
TE
MLB
RCB
FS

I think a good case could be made for SS, but that's less of a general one, and more about an excellent match between skill set and scheme (on the Hawks and for what they want Chancellor is clearly top 5 IMO, but that doesn't translate across the league NEARLY as much as the other five positions).

I think Lynch, Graham, Wagner, Sherman and Thomas would be top 5 at their position on any team.

 

[AgentDib]

Jon Ryan is pretty good but his numbers last year were down a little. He was 27th for average, 27th for net average, tied for 9th for inside the 20, 9th for limiting return yards, 20th for long, and 20th for avoiding touchbacks. Those stats are also about coverage team which was good for the most part but made a few big mistakes (and the Rams game).

It's true that Pete wants Ryan to minimize risk with higher, shorter kicks and that we are more likely to punt from the opponent's side of the field than most teams which reduces averages further. As for which 5 may be better, it would be impossible to convince fans from the Ravens (Koch), Saints (Morstead), Colts (McAfee), Rams (Hekker), or Bengals (Huber) to swap with us. I'd probably put Ryan around the #10 rank.

 

[hawknation2015]

I think a good case could be made for SS, but that's less of a general one, and more about an excellent match between skill set and scheme (on the Hawks and for what they want Chancellor is clearly top 5 IMO, but that doesn't translate across the league NEARLY as much as the other five positions).

LMAO. Chancellor is an All-Pro (in fact, the only SS in the league to make it), a future Hall of Famer, and the most feared player in the game.

Enjoy! :49ersmall:
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[McGruff]

QB - Top 5
RB - Top 5
FB - who knows and who cares
WR - NOPE
TE - Top 5
LT - Top 5 (when healthy)
LG - NOPE
C - NOPE
RG - Top 5
RT - NOPE
DE - Top 5
DE - Top 5
NT - Top 5
DT - NOPE
OLB - NOPE
OLB - NOPE
MLB - Top 5
CB - Top 5
CB - NOPE
FS - Top 5
SS - Top 5
PK - NOPE
P - Top 5
Ret - Top 5 (rookie . . . believe it)
LS - Top 5

So out of 26 "starters" I count 9 positions that are not top 5.

 

[Popeyejones]

I think a good case could be made for SS, but that's less of a general one, and more about an excellent match between skill set and scheme (on the Hawks and for what they want Chancellor is clearly top 5 IMO, but that doesn't translate across the league NEARLY as much as the other five positions).

LMAO. Chancellor is an All-Pro (in fact, the only SS in the league to make it), a future Hall of Famer, and the most feared player in the game.

Nothing you said addresses or is related to a single thing I said.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

I think a good case could be made for SS, but that's less of a general one, and more about an excellent match between skill set and scheme (on the Hawks and for what they want Chancellor is clearly top 5 IMO, but that doesn't translate across the league NEARLY as much as the other five positions).

LMAO. Chancellor is an All-Pro (in fact, the only SS in the league to make it), a future Hall of Famer, and the most feared player in the game.

Nothing you said addresses or is related to a single thing I said.

I would agree with this assessment. On a different team, where coverage ability would be more paramount, Chancellor would have reduced effectiveness. It's not that he's bad at it. He is smart and anticipates/reads plays at a top 10 level. But his range is less. He benefits from having Thomas at FS tremendously -- reducing the area he needs to patrol.

I'd put his coverage ability in the low 20s versus every other SS in the league. His ball skills in the top 12. His ability to play the LOS at #1 overall. His ability to destroy/intimidate ball carriers at #1 overall.

For this team, he is an ideal fit. He should make pro bowls at a consistent rate here. His only liability is just range. But it's really picking nits on that point. His range isn't bad -- just comparatively so next to Thomas. Chancellor makes impact plays, whether it's pancaking pulling tackles in run support or making plays on errant balls. That impact ability is enhanced by compressing his area of defense.

There aren't 5 SS in the league who make a bigger impact for their defense than Chancellor. So I would put him up there.


I'll use McGruff's format

QB - Top 8
RB - Top 3
FB - who knows and who cares
WR - NOPE
TE - Top 3
LT - Top 10
LG - NOPE
C - NOPE
RG - Top 15
RT - NOPE
DE - Top 12
DE - Top 12
NT - Top 6
DT - NOPE
WLB - Top 20
SLB - Top 12
MLB - Top 3
CB - Top 2
CB - NOPE
FS - Top 1
SS - Top 5
PK - Top 12
P - Top 5
Ret - Unknown
LS - Top 5

Seattle is sprinkled with some top talents. But I think their true roster value lies in having a lot of very good talents that are just outside of that conversation. I'd say 4 on defense (Thomas, Sherman, Wagner, Chancellor) and 2 on offense (Lynch, Graham). But a large number of guys firmly in the top third in the NFL positionally (Wilson, Okung, Mebane, Irvin, Bennett, Avril). Specialists are good to very good.

 

[MVP53]

I think a good case could be made for SS, but that's less of a general one, and more about an excellent match between skill set and scheme (on the Hawks and for what they want Chancellor is clearly top 5 IMO, but that doesn't translate across the league NEARLY as much as the other five positions).

LMAO. Chancellor is an All-Pro (in fact, the only SS in the league to make it), a future Hall of Famer, and the most feared player in the game.

Enjoy! :49ersmall:
[youtube]78qF72JwJwA[/youtube]

Calling Kam a future Hall of Famer is entering into the world of hyperbole quite a bit.

He has a long way to go to get to that level.

 

[Hawks46]

Jon Ryan is pretty good but his numbers last year were down a little. He was 27th for average, 27th for net average, tied for 9th for inside the 20, 9th for limiting return yards, 20th for long, and 20th for avoiding touchbacks. Those stats are also about coverage team which was good for the most part but made a few big mistakes (and the Rams game).

It's true that Pete wants Ryan to minimize risk with higher, shorter kicks and that we are more likely to punt from the opponent's side of the field than most teams which reduces averages further. As for which 5 may be better, it would be impossible to convince fans from the Ravens (Koch), Saints (Morstead), Colts (McAfee), Rams (Hekker), or Bengals (Huber) to swap with us. I'd probably put Ryan around the #10 rank.

I theorize this as Ryan punting farther, but with less hang time, to counter a poor(er) coverage team than he's used to. You boot the hell out of the ball as the extra 15 yards don't help with your averages or stats, but I'd venture to say it increases your average field position with an average coverage team. Overall, you're going to pin the other team back farther, but you also give up bigger returns from time to time....which is what kills your stats.

 

[Hawks46]

I think a good case could be made for SS, but that's less of a general one, and more about an excellent match between skill set and scheme (on the Hawks and for what they want Chancellor is clearly top 5 IMO, but that doesn't translate across the league NEARLY as much as the other five positions).

LMAO. Chancellor is an All-Pro (in fact, the only SS in the league to make it), a future Hall of Famer, and the most feared player in the game.

Nothing you said addresses or is related to a single thing I said.

I would agree with this assessment. On a different team, where coverage ability would be more paramount, Chancellor would have reduced effectiveness. It's not that he's bad at it. He is smart and anticipates/reads plays at a top 10 level. But his range is less. He benefits from having Thomas at FS tremendously -- reducing the area he needs to patrol.

I'd put his coverage ability in the low 20s versus every other SS in the league. His ball skills in the top 12. His ability to play the LOS at #1 overall. His ability to destroy/intimidate ball carriers at #1 overall.

For this team, he is an ideal fit. He should make pro bowls at a consistent rate here. His only liability is just range. But it's really picking nits on that point. His range isn't bad -- just comparatively so next to Thomas. Chancellor makes impact plays, whether it's pancaking pulling tackles in run support or making plays on errant balls. That impact ability is enhanced by compressing his area of defense.

There aren't 5 SS in the league who make a bigger impact for their defense than Chancellor. So I would put him up there.


I'll use McGruff's format

QB - Top 8
RB - Top 3
FB - who knows and who cares
WR - NOPE
TE - Top 3
LT - Top 10
LG - NOPE
C - NOPE
RG - Top 15
RT - NOPE
DE - Top 12
DE - Top 12
NT - Top 6
DT - NOPE
WLB - Top 20
SLB - Top 12
MLB - Top 3
CB - Top 2
CB - NOPE
FS - Top 1
SS - Top 5
PK - Top 12
P - Top 5
Ret - Unknown
LS - Top 5

Seattle is sprinkled with some top talents. But I think their true roster value lies in having a lot of very good talents that are just outside of that conversation. I'd say 4 on defense (Thomas, Sherman, Wagner, Chancellor) and 2 on offense (Lynch, Graham). But a large number of guys firmly in the top third in the NFL positionally (Wilson, Okung, Mebane, Irvin, Bennett, Avril). Specialists are good to very good.

Good post and pretty much sums up where I'd rate everything at. I'd rate Houschka top 10 due to his accuracy.

 

[TheRealDTM]

O-Line
D-Line
FB
WR
QB

 

[hawknation2015]

I think a good case could be made for SS, but that's less of a general one, and more about an excellent match between skill set and scheme (on the Hawks and for what they want Chancellor is clearly top 5 IMO, but that doesn't translate across the league NEARLY as much as the other five positions).

LMAO. Chancellor is an All-Pro (in fact, the only SS in the league to make it), a future Hall of Famer, and the most feared player in the game.

Enjoy! :49ersmall:
[youtube]78qF72JwJwA[/youtube]

Calling Kam a future Hall of Famer is entering into the world of hyperbole quite a bit.

He has a long way to go to get to that level.

As the best player at his position (by far) and the most feared player in the game over the last three seasons, Kam already at that level, IMO. Now, he just needs to stay at that level for the next ~5 seasons.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

Using McGruff's and Attyla's format

QB - Top 7
RB - Top 3
FB - NOPE
WR - NOPE
TE - Top 2
LT - Top 10
LG - NOPE
C - NOPE
RG - Top 10
RT - NOPE
DE (Bennett)- Top 8
DE (Avril)- Top 12
NT - Top 6
DT - NOPE
WLB - Top 10
SLB - Top 20
MLB - Top 3
CB - Top 1
CB - NOPE
FS - Top 1
SS - Top 5
PK - Top 12
P - Top 10
Ret - Unknown
LS - Tied top 1? (There ever have a bad snap?)

Couple of thoughts:

- A healthy year from Okung could move him into top 5.
- Improved pass pro from Sweezy could move him into top 5.
- Wilson gaining ground quickly on aging QBs like Brees, Brady, and Manning. He's top 4 within a year or two.
- Irvin has so much potential, but I feel he's been protected somewhat in Seattle's system as he learns how to play LB. I'm hopeful for a consistent, productive year from him. in a 3-4 he's probably a bit higher ranked.
- Love Jon Ryan, but the 1 or 2 drops a year hurt his ranking. Without the TD pass he'd be top 15, imo.

 

[brimsalabim]

We do not have top 5 DE's by last season's production. I think Mebane may be a top 5 DT though.

On offense we are not top 5 at

LT
RT
C
LG
RG (almost there)

WR1
WR2
WR3

On defense we are not top 5 at

DE

too soon to judge kick return but last year we were not good there either.

We are best in the league at Safety and RB and
Sherm is the best corner in the league.
Both our kickers are top 5 imo.
Wagner is top 3 and I think Wright can be top 5.
Russell is right about 5 and climbing.
IM Jimmy has been #2 TE and will hopefully will be at least as good as a Hawk.

 

[seedhawk]

Not gonna comment on the original premise, however, I do believe we are as good as we are because all of our next man up guys are top 5.

 

[hawknation2015]

We do not have top 5 DE's by last season's production. I think Mebane may be a top 5 DT though.

We do if you look at generated pressures:

Michael Bennett - 73 pressures
Cliff Avril - 64 pressures

Bennett was 3rd overall in the league in total pressures, while Avril was #3 among DEs in Pass Rushing Productivity, generating pressure on an amazing 11.5% of his pass rushing snaps.

This reminds me a little of what people were saying last off-season about Marshawn Lynch. His tackle-breaking rate showed that he was only going to get better, yet so many were hesitant to call him the best running back in the league.

To me, these pressure stats show that Bennett/Avril are due for a breakout season in 2015. With Mebane back in the middle and the continued development of Hill at the three technique, forcing QBs to flush out of the pocket, I expect these DEs to finish more plays than they did a season ago.