Bingo...drdiags":5iupjr4e said:It's not all about money sometimes.
FlyHawksFly":1ka4581h said:So you expect Wilson to have a major gambling problem in the future?
Rumors have been around since MJ went to play baseball that his gambling was going to get him suspended from the Association for at least a year and that baseball was the way for he and the league to save face. Don't remember the specifics of what the gambling situation was, but I do know the rumor has always been that he was facing suspension for it. Maybe FlyHawksFly can fill in the blanks here?Rocket":2q0o0o08 said:Sorry... I still don't see the comparison.
In the major leagues. sometimes yes. A lot of the .230 hitters in the majors were .320 hitters in the minors though.Largent80":2lgkmu4q said:Correct me if I'm wrong but don't guys hitting .230 in baseball still make MILLIONS?
I believe that was the case.hawksfansinceday1":1nyk1ez5 said:Rumors have been around since MJ went to play baseball that his gambling was going to get him suspended from the Association for at least a year and that baseball was the way for he and the league to save face. Don't remember the specifics of what the gambling situation was, but I do know the rumor has always been that he was facing suspension for it. Maybe FlyHawksFly can fill in the blanks here?Rocket":1nyk1ez5 said:Sorry... I still don't see the comparison.
FlyHawksFly":9mat9wnz said:Sports Hernia":9mat9wnz said:I believe that was the case.hawksfansinceday1":9mat9wnz said:Rumors have been around since MJ went to play baseball that his gambling was going to get him suspended from the Association for at least a year and that baseball was the way for he and the league to save face. Don't remember the specifics of what the gambling situation was, but I do know the rumor has always been that he was facing suspension for it. Maybe FlyHawksFly can fill in the blanks here?Rocket":9mat9wnz said:Sorry... I still don't see the comparison.
Yep. Just meaning to say there is a reason MJ went to play baseball, and it wasn't due to his intense competitive nature. He was told to walk away until things blew over.
Anthony!":2hsgzdah said:FlyHawksFly":2hsgzdah said:Sports Hernia":2hsgzdah said:I believe that was the case.hawksfansinceday1":2hsgzdah said:Rumors have been around since MJ went to play baseball that his gambling was going to get him suspended from the Association for at least a year and that baseball was the way for he and the league to save face. Don't remember the specifics of what the gambling situation was, but I do know the rumor has always been that he was facing suspension for it. Maybe FlyHawksFly can fill in the blanks here?
Yep. Just meaning to say there is a reason MJ went to play baseball, and it wasn't due to his intense competitive nature. He was told to walk away until things blew over.
Your proof of this?
hawknation2015":1ce88e0s said:It's an unsubstantiated rumor based on the fact that Jordan was a notorious, unabashed gambler. If the NBA wanted to nail him for betting on games, they could have done it. Playing baseball would not have made anything blow over, although it certainly cost the NBA a lot of money during his absence.
FlyHawksFly":3duz54ax said:Anthony!":3duz54ax said:hawknation2015":3duz54ax said:It's an unsubstantiated rumor based on the fact that Jordan was a notorious, unabashed gambler. If the NBA wanted to nail him for betting on games, they could have done it. Playing baseball would not have made anything blow over, although it certainly cost the NBA a lot of money during his absence.
So in other words there is no proof, its all conjecture. In fact there was never any proof he bet on Basketball games. So basically nothing. Never mind I just did some research and saw were one writer said and I quote "I think" "The main reason why I believe this theory " but offers no proof of anything, only here say, and conjecture. So I am right there is nothing.
Hawknation is going down the conspiracy side of it, my comment did not. Jordan WAS asked to step back from gambling because it was giving the NBA and Jordan a bad name because people THOUGHT he might be gambling on games. He couldn't give up gambling because he was/is addicted to it. That is all it took. He was a huge gambler, sometimes with bets in the millions of dollars. The NBA didn't want to deal with a Pete Rose situation, which to counter HN's point would have lost them even more money than Jordan playing baseball for a short while.
PS: it is hearsay not "here say"
FlyHawksFly":1l66fot8 said:Anthony!":1l66fot8 said:hawknation2015":1l66fot8 said:It's an unsubstantiated rumor based on the fact that Jordan was a notorious, unabashed gambler. If the NBA wanted to nail him for betting on games, they could have done it. Playing baseball would not have made anything blow over, although it certainly cost the NBA a lot of money during his absence.
So in other words there is no proof, its all conjecture. In fact there was never any proof he bet on Basketball games. So basically nothing. Never mind I just did some research and saw were one writer said and I quote "I think" "The main reason why I believe this theory " but offers no proof of anything, only here say, and conjecture. So I am right there is nothing.
Hawknation is going down the conspiracy side of it, my comment did not. Jordan WAS asked to step back from gambling because it was giving the NBA and Jordan a bad name because people THOUGHT he might be gambling on games. He couldn't give up gambling because he was/is addicted to it. That is all it took. He was a huge gambler, sometimes with bets in the millions of dollars. The NBA didn't want to deal with a Pete Rose situation, which to counter HN's point would have lost them even more money than Jordan playing baseball for a short while.
PS: it is hearsay not "here say"
FlyHawksFly":17sqfqcx said:I know for a fact he was asked to tone down the gambling, and he told them to screw off. It isn't something you will read in the papers, for various reasons, but people that were present have told the story many times. They were worried about Pete Rose type allegations. Basically the NBA thought they could make it without Jordan, he called their bluff. I know a number of people that were around the story at the time, and even attempted to cover the story at the time and was told to leave it alone.
FlyHawksFly":3vgeuxkg said:hawknation2015":3vgeuxkg said:FlyHawksFly":3vgeuxkg said:I know for a fact he was asked to tone down the gambling, and he told them to screw off. It isn't something you will read in the papers, for various reasons, but people that were present have told the story many times. They were worried about Pete Rose type allegations. Basically the NBA thought they could make it without Jordan, he called their bluff. I know a number of people that were around the story at the time, and even attempted to cover the story at the time and was told to leave it alone.
I guess Anthony! was right all along: your view on this is based solely on hearsay, i.e. undocumented, and therefore unreliable, 3rd party accounts of things that were said by others related to the NBA pressuring Jordan to leave basketball for two years because of his gambling. None of it passes the smell test given the documented facts at the time, Jordan's continued gambling, the obvious financial motivations of the NBA, and the NBA's public comments and conduct, i.e. calling the rumor "scurrilous" and scheduling a preseason game for the Bulls in Vegas against the Sonics in '96.
Well, to be fair, most things are hearsay when it comes to stuff like this, as it was a very fragile situation. All I can say is, I know without a doubt the NBA asked Jordan to tone it down. At the time that it happened, no one would go on record, and I haven't followed any recent developments but as far as I know, no one has gone on record to say anything other than denying the accusations. But, behind closed doors, a lot of people talked and it is part of the reason why the rumor won't go away even to this day.