Would a trade for Duane Brown actually make us better?

[razor150]

Money might be the only obstacle, but John Schneider can be pretty creative, we fans here on .NET?...lol, not so much.

He can, probably the most creative GM in the league.

But this is a tall order even for Schneider, which is probably why it hasn't happened yet.

- how to fit under the cap
- who do we trade
- who does Houston want
- how many picks do we have to trade

My guess is it'd be at least a good player AND multiple picks, probably our first rounder.........AND restructuring a current contract like Russell's to fit Brown's 10M per year under the cap.

btw, that's why he's holding out, he doesn't even think 10M is enough now. So why would he come here and play for a contract he's currently holding out on?

Idk, I'd love this to happen, but I don't give it much chance with all these moving parts.

He'll play this year, he intends to do a Joey Galloway and come back so that the contract still counts at the deadline. So the money issue would be pushed off to next year, unless he plans to torpedo any trade that doesn't include a contract renegotiation.

To be honest, I think getting Brown is a bit of a pipe dream.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

That is an easy question to answer.

So he doesn't have to be punished practicing against Watt and Clowney every day of the week. :2thumbs: :179422:

Ask Ifedi how much fun practicing every day against Clark is.

 

[chris98251]

That is an easy question to answer.

So he doesn't have to be punished practicing against Watt and Clowney every day of the week. :2thumbs: :179422:

Ask Ifedi how much fun practicing every day against Clark is.

He hit like a Girl

 

[scutterhawk]

Money might be the only obstacle, but John Schneider can be pretty creative, we fans here on .NET?...lol, not so much.

He can, probably the most creative GM in the league.

But this is a tall order even for Schneider, which is probably why it hasn't happened yet.

- how to fit under the cap
- who do we trade
- who does Houston want
- how many picks do we have to trade

My guess is it'd be at least a good player AND multiple picks, probably our first rounder.........AND restructuring a current contract like Russell's to fit Brown's 10M per year under the cap.

btw, that's why he's holding out, he doesn't even think 10M is enough now. So why would he come here and play for a contract he's currently holding out on?

Idk, I'd love this to happen, but I don't give it much chance with all these moving parts.

As far as how many picks, I believe we could part with the first rounder for a high quality LT....We did it for Graham, and some folks here are advocating a trade for Graham for Brown....we'd be WAY ahead of whomever we could pick up in the 2018 draft if we landed Brown (bird in the hand for a bird in the bush), although, I will concede that it is a tall order. We've yet to hear the door slam shut on the matter, so I'm crossing my fingers that JS can once again work his magic on getting him to sign.
As far as 10 Million not being enough?, I believe he's worth 11 or 12, and if Seattle can't work out the numbers, there will be another team that would be willing to hock their jock to get him.
The Seahawks are in dire need of a LT specialist.
Another unanswered question (for me anyways) is what happened with the Albert workout, and why wasn't he signed?

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

It's unknown if Brown can return to form this year.

As for long term, I see Brown as only a one year rental. If Seattle wanted to extend him long term, they'd have to give up productive and expensive talent.

He is not a pro bowl player at this point. He hasn't been for a couple seasons. His profile is very much against the kind of players we've added before (young with high productivity ahead of them). He is old, and very clearly on the decline.

I do see him as a possibility. Based on the chatter, but also based on our behavior. We've brought in the cheaper alternate and are playing hardball with him (Albert). Seattle doesn't need to pull the trigger on Brown until the week he needs to be on the roster to accrue a season. So it makes complete sense that Seattle didn't make a move during the bye week, where we'd be on the hook cap wise for an extra game check.

Also, if you look at the teams that are upcoming on the schedule, Seattle can take a calculated risk and further push a deal back for Brown. The next 3 opponents aren't world beaters.

Seattle already is thin on draft stock for next year. And I suspect that our medium term plan is to roll with Fant and add an OT in the draft. Adding Brown doesn't necessarily affect that plan unless we have to overpay for him in trade.

I would not offer more than a 4th round pick however. It should be assumed that he will be grossly underproductive this year due to age and lack of conditioning and the time necessary to get up to speed with the playbook. He's been in a ZBS his entire career so that should help in that regard. Regardless, he is at this point more of a name than a player. It's not even a given that he would net us a 3rd round comp if we should trade for him and he walks.

Failing both of these, one has to wonder when Seattle has a 'Glowinski threshold' moment where they finally concede that Odhiambo is not going to succeed where he is. I don't necessarily fault Rees, as he's really not LT material but is thrust there by circumstance. We traded for Tobin and at this point, I can't imagine he'd be worse than Rees going forward. I see the LT position playing out much like the RG has this season.

Further, I think Rees is more likely to be successful at LG. Right now, I kind of feel Seattle is risking ruining his development by killing his confidence at LT. I felt that Fant was the one OL player we couldn't afford to lose based on the depth we had and the shuffling that would entail. But we weren't so lucky.

I'd be at best cautiously enthusiastic if we brought Brown aboard. Certainly it would upgrade the LT spot. How much more would be the question. Given Houston's current LT is nicked but not out -- I have to wonder if Houston doesn't just decide to keep him and net the comp pick themselves. They are in a playoff push of their own and aren't likely to be shedding talent down the stretch.

 

[scutterhawk]

It's unknown if Brown can return to form this year.

As for long term, I see Brown as only a one year rental. If Seattle wanted to extend him long term, they'd have to give up productive and expensive talent.

He is not a pro bowl player at this point. He hasn't been for a couple seasons. His profile is very much against the kind of players we've added before (young with high productivity ahead of them). He is old, and very clearly on the decline.

I do see him as a possibility. Based on the chatter, but also based on our behavior. We've brought in the cheaper alternate and are playing hardball with him (Albert). Seattle doesn't need to pull the trigger on Brown until the week he needs to be on the roster to accrue a season. So it makes complete sense that Seattle didn't make a move during the bye week, where we'd be on the hook cap wise for an extra game check.

Also, if you look at the teams that are upcoming on the schedule, Seattle can take a calculated risk and further push a deal back for Brown. The next 3 opponents aren't world beaters.

Seattle already is thin on draft stock for next year. And I suspect that our medium term plan is to roll with Fant and add an OT in the draft. Adding Brown doesn't necessarily affect that plan unless we have to overpay for him in trade.

I would not offer more than a 4th round pick however. It should be assumed that he will be grossly underproductive this year due to age and lack of conditioning and the time necessary to get up to speed with the playbook. He's been in a ZBS his entire career so that should help in that regard. Regardless, he is at this point more of a name than a player. It's not even a given that he would net us a 3rd round comp if we should trade for him and he walks.

Failing both of these, one has to wonder when Seattle has a 'Glowinski threshold' moment where they finally concede that Odhiambo is not going to succeed where he is. I don't necessarily fault Rees, as he's really not LT material but is thrust there by circumstance. We traded for Tobin and at this point, I can't imagine he'd be worse than Rees going forward. I see the LT position playing out much like the RG has this season.

Further, I think Rees is more likely to be successful at LG. Right now, I kind of feel Seattle is risking ruining his development by killing his confidence at LT. I felt that Fant was the one OL player we couldn't afford to lose based on the depth we had and the shuffling that would entail. But we weren't so lucky.

I'd be at best cautiously enthusiastic if we brought Brown aboard. Certainly it would upgrade the LT spot. How much more would be the question. Given Houston's current LT is nicked but not out -- I have to wonder if Houston doesn't just decide to keep him and net the comp pick themselves. They are in a playoff push of their own and aren't likely to be shedding talent down the stretch.

Sounds very feasible, Brown may not be at his peak anymore, but would definitely be an upgrade for the Seahawks, but he likely would help the Texans over the hump as well, AND, they still have him, so the ball is in their court.
Sounds like Albert is still wanting to play, Maybe has less upside than Brown, but even at option #2, could very well be enough of an upgrade over who we have available to play @ LT, so I suppose there's still that possibility.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Another unanswered question (for me anyways) is what happened with the Albert workout, and why wasn't he signed?

I read Albert wants to see what else is out there before accepting a 1-2M a year deal from us. Still 3-4 other teams interested in him.

How many teams have already kicked the tired on Albert? That's my question, if he's a good LT, why didn't the Jags or one of the other teams that he had visits with sign him?

Obviously we're desperate, and just about any LT is better than Odhiambo. But I'm crossing my fingers that Schneider will find a way to get Brown, not Albert.

 

[scutterhawk]

Another unanswered question (for me anyways) is what happened with the Albert workout, and why wasn't he signed?

I read Albert wants to see what else is out there before accepting a 1-2M a year deal from us. Still 3-4 other teams interested in him.

How many teams have already kicked the tired on Albert? That's my question, if he's a good LT, why didn't the Jags or one of the other teams that he had visits with sign him?

Obviously we're desperate, and just about any LT is better than Odhiambo. But I'm crossing my fingers that Schneider will find a way to get Brown, not Albert.

Not much doubt in my mind that Brown has the higher upside, but there seems to be a higher price tag to go along with it.
The Albert gig?, other teams may be balking at his asking price too.....Lot's of teams are in need of a LT, I might be sideways on this, but I don't see him getting a kings ransom for his services.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

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[Seafan]

That ship has sailed.

 

[A-Dog]

Hmm... Brown is very upset about Bob McNair's recent comments. Could this revive trade talks?

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The comments from McNair, "We can't have the inmates running the prison" disgusted, sickened, frustrated and didn't surprise Texans veteran offensive tackle Duane Brown. Brown added that the Texans' players aren't done with the issue and will reconvene to discuss their response further.

"I think the comments were disrespectful, I think it was ignorant, I think it was embarrassing," Brown said. "I think it angered a lot of players, including myself. We put our bodies and minds every time we step on the field. To use an analogy of inmates in a prison, I would say they're disrespectful."

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[sutz]

Hmm... Brown is very upset about Bob McNair's recent comments. Could this revive trade talks?

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The comments from McNair, "We can't have the inmates running the prison" disgusted, sickened, frustrated and didn't surprise Texans veteran offensive tackle Duane Brown. Brown added that the Texans' players aren't done with the issue and will reconvene to discuss their response further.

"I think the comments were disrespectful, I think it was ignorant, I think it was embarrassing," Brown said. "I think it angered a lot of players, including myself. We put our bodies and minds every time we step on the field. To use an analogy of inmates in a prison, I would say they're disrespectful."

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Why would we want to remove an upset player from their locker room?

:twisted:

 

[Seymour]

I think that is an appropriate statement. After all, Brown did just get out of solitary confinement. :twisted: