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I can’t believe how delusional Pete is, the fact that he still tries to defend that Disaster JA trade is all the proof we needed.
BigMeach":3274khx3 said:Seems to be a lot of revisionist history by some here , without actually stating what happened or giving any specifics.
Do you remember how bad this team was before Pete got here? Are those of you who are ****ing all over Petes ability to restart newer fans? Jim Mora year ring a bell? When PC and JS get here and they flipped what , hundreds of players/transactions(?) over the course of a few years while building the team that won 1 and should have won 2 straight Super Bowls.
No matter how you feel about the last few years and no matter how you feel on losing RW, to think that there is no shot of JS and Pete building another team is baffling to me. If anything trading RW releases them and allows them to do whatever they hell they wanna try and I'm all for it.
RW is the one who didn't want to be here anymore. He made that perfectly clear even if he refuses to say so now (which is of course on brand for him)
I never wanted to lose the guy, was baffled with all the $h!t he was saying last year. But now that he is gone, as far as I'm concerned he is on an enemy team and I just wanna beat him.
TwistedHusky":2psavew1 said:No. He was a barely .500 coach for 6 years before he had Wilson.
Wilson was a winner. And the team won as long as they had him.
Now that they don't, magically they won't be winning anymore.
And weirdly, Wilson will keep winning at a new location despite all his terrible flaws.
Yeah I'm convinced some of these guys are the ones who have lost it, not Pete. They have one losing record in literally 10 years and everyone says Pete can't build a winning team? This has become delusionBigMeach":2cgmwvlb said:Seems to be a lot of revisionist history by some here , without actually stating what happened or giving any specifics.
Do you remember how bad this team was before Pete got here? Are those of you who are ****ing all over Petes ability to restart newer fans? Jim Mora year ring a bell? When PC and JS get here and they flipped what , hundreds of players/transactions(?) over the course of a few years while building the team that won 1 and should have won 2 straight Super Bowls.
No matter how you feel about the last few years and no matter how you feel on losing RW, to think that there is no shot of JS and Pete building another team is baffling to me. If anything trading RW releases them and allows them to do whatever they hell they wanna try and I'm all for it.
RW is the one who didn't want to be here anymore. He made that perfectly clear even if he refuses to say so now (which is of course on brand for him)
I never wanted to lose the guy, was baffled with all the $h!t he was saying last year. But now that he is gone, as far as I'm concerned he is on an enemy team and I just wanna beat him.
gidders":3twak9xu said:It saddens me to say that after 40+ years of following the Seahawks the prospects of being a powerhouse in the division looks a distant possibility whilst PC is the coach. All the best coaches from Chuck Knox onwards had great players on offence and defence from Curt Warner, Steve Largent, Dave Krieg, Cortez Kennedy, Bobby Wagner etc who has the best pro bowl stats..RW. Why in a QB dominated league would you trade a Ferrari for a Ford? You can't win with a sub par QB unless you have outstanding defence. There comes a point when players & coaches reach their limit and unless your an exception to the rule 'Tom Brady' that limit comes in the form of diminished returns. When egos take over your looking at years of repairing the damage and is it worth the franchise dancing to the tune of a coach who is in decline rather than trying to find an innovative, young replacement who can replicate what PC did best when he first took the reigns. If I was Tyler Lockett and DK, I would be thinking what are my chances of going to the SB in the next few years with this coaching set up?
the problem here is he's not going with younger, hungrier players, he's not doing a rebuild, we're signing veterans. We're approaching this offseason like we're a competitive team without a QB and a roster that has had a lot of holes.Pandion Haliaetus":3v9wvbu7 said:Seems to me Carroll lost control trying to shelter Wilson from his teammates opinion, paid his franchise QB, lost his defense due to age, cap space, and freak injuries. Tried a few times to get impact defenders via trade that could fit into the cap situation but mortgaged the future in doing so.
Pete is not the type of coach IMO to handle an experienced veteran heavy team with players who get selfish and complacent.
Looking back I think Pete catered to Wilson more often than not, up until the point Wilson tried to undermine him, and take control to mixed results.
Pete might be dated but he’s perfect fit for a younger, hungrier team where he doesn’t have established egos to cater to. Not saying it’s going to go well but I wouldn’t be surprised if the team is more galvanized, more motivated, more energized for good or bad without all the drama.
Spin Doctor":30hdw89o said:the problem here is he's not going with younger, hungrier players, he's not doing a rebuild, we're signing veterans. We're approaching this offseason like we're a competitive team without a QB and a roster that has had a lot of holes.Pandion Haliaetus":30hdw89o said:Seems to me Carroll lost control trying to shelter Wilson from his teammates opinion, paid his franchise QB, lost his defense due to age, cap space, and freak injuries. Tried a few times to get impact defenders via trade that could fit into the cap situation but mortgaged the future in doing so.
Pete is not the type of coach IMO to handle an experienced veteran heavy team with players who get selfish and complacent.
Looking back I think Pete catered to Wilson more often than not, up until the point Wilson tried to undermine him, and take control to mixed results.
Pete might be dated but he’s perfect fit for a younger, hungrier team where he doesn’t have established egos to cater to. Not saying it’s going to go well but I wouldn’t be surprised if the team is more galvanized, more motivated, more energized for good or bad without all the drama.
Nope, only the S-L-O-W minded. :177692: ....>Ignorance Is An Option< eh.classicaaron":1roi3u9d said:I was in the camp of firing him years ago but this presser just proved it. He has lost touch with all reality. He opens up about second chances and how they are so great and built the team on second chances. Does he realize like next to none of those besides Marshawn have worked out. He even doubled down on the Jamal Adam’s trade being great when it may be the worst trade in franchise history. So shows his future plan is to get more team rejects or washed up players and win that way. I lost count long ago of all the guys they have tried that with and most didn’t even last the year.
Whether you like Russ or not no one in the world could say this team is better off without him when the replacement is Drew Lock. Well Pete truly thinks so. I don’t think that was just marketing talk either. He truly believes Lock can be good basing it off his college years but yet refuses to look at anything that happened in his pro career. He even said they could win a championship if he just controls the ball. Well you need to score some points too, keeping the ball and punting over and over wont do it. But that brings me to the next point cause Pete thinks 6-3 games are somehow going to happen.
Then he spends 30 minutes talking about how his system is so great even though its from the 1920’s and how defense, special teams and running will win it for him. Well why hasn’t it won anything in 10 years. He said his system is what works players don’t matter and its always been that way since footballs been around. Then when questions open up and someone calls him out on it and says why wont he adapt to his players talent he says he does and would never jam a square peg in a round hole. Well Pete did you just forget the whole 30 minutes of trash you spewed before that. Have you forgotten the last 10 years of on field play where you definitely have not adapted to your players.
Hawks are 100% rebuild and will always be until Pete is gone. He is beyond delusion to think they are championship ready.
gabel":1wksnn3h said:Wow! Hello darkness my old friend.
I watched the entire news conference and I was impressed. Impressed at the resolve, at the determination. Pete Carroll does nothing but win year after year. Actually no one but Belichick has won more games in the last 10 years. This next year we will learn who is more important Russel Wilson or Pete Carroll.
Pete hasn't changed he has always been a winner.
I hope you are right but the Wilson hate, I don't get just like the Pete love on this board. Still sober so I'd really like if you would explain to me nicely. Because I want relevance and I see SB teams weekly and none are in Seattle or the NFC and it's only getting worse.Seems to me Carroll lost control trying to shelter Wilson from his teammates opinion, paid his franchise QB, lost his defense due to age, cap space, and freak injuries. Tried a few times to get impact defenders via trade that could fit into the cap situation but mortgaged the future in doing so.
Pete is not the type of coach IMO to handle an experienced veteran heavy team with players who get selfish and complacent.
Looking back I think Pete catered to Wilson more often than not, up until the point Wilson tried to undermine him, and take control to mixed results.
Pete might be dated but he’s perfect fit for a younger, hungrier team where he doesn’t have established egos to cater to. Not saying it’s going to go well but I wouldn’t be surprised if the team is more galvanized, more motivated, more energized for good or bad without all the drama.
I hope you are right but the Wilson hate, I don't get just like the Pete love on this board. Still sober so I'd really like if you would explain to me nicely. Because I want relevance and I see SB teams weekly and none are in Seattle or the NFC and it's only getting worse.
Winning seasons are irrelevant if it's 9-8 and no factor in the playoffs that's barely escaping you should be fired and get another job level
The Wilson hate is because he put himself before the team.I hope you are right but the Wilson hate, I don't get just like the Pete love on this board. Still sober so I'd really like if you would explain to me nicely. Because I want relevance and I see SB teams weekly and none are in Seattle or the NFC and it's only getting worse.
Winning seasons are irrelevant if it's 9-8 and no factor in the playoffs that's barely escaping you should be fired and get another job level
Fun reading over all of the posts from a year ago and seeing how so many non believers made complete fools of themselves with their know-it-all comments that have been proven to be so completely wrong that those commenters should be way more than a little embarrassed.I hope you are right but the Wilson hate, I don't get just like the Pete love on this board. Still sober so I'd really like if you would explain to me nicely. Because I want relevance and I see SB teams weekly and none are in Seattle or the NFC and it's only getting worse.
Winning seasons are irrelevant if it's 9-8 and no factor in the playoffs that's barely escaping you should be fired and get another job level