Your plan to replace sixteen touchdowns

[calinator]

I like Mike Davis, Carson, and Rawls at RB. We also have fast weapons like prosise and Mckissick both whom I think have big potential. Somehow gotta get those 2 on the field more.

 

[hawknation2017]

J.D. Mckissic should go to WR full-time.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

so much salt this week :shock:

 

[Boycie]

Sixteen touchdowns are about to walk off this offense if Jimmy Graham and Paul Richardson sign elsewhere. Sixteen.

I'm kind of curious about what everyone's plan is to replace that. Seattle is going to need a plan to replace sixteen touchdowns. They're not just going to wave goodbye at them because they're pricey. Failing for cheaper is still failing.

Here are the constraints:

1) No free agents, because we dislike those. They're pricey, which is the Graham problem.

2) We're probably trading out of the first round, or close to it.

3) This is a blah draft for WR's and a worse draft for TE's.

The most obvious answer is, get a running game. That's fair. I agree with that. That'll bring us some touchdowns.

But it still means a receiving stable of Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett, Amara Darboh, C.J. Prosise, J.D. McKissic, Tanner McEvoy, David Moore, Luke Willson, and Nick Vannett. There's only one guy in that list who's really worthy of double coverage. That means boxes stacked against whatever RB we deploy and more pressure on the offensive line. The lack of a big, attention-demanding target downfield leaves the rest of the offense playing uphill. So I would not say the RB is the entire solution.

What are you guys' thoughts on how to replace the sixteen touchdowns of Graham and P-Rich? Because due to the nature of this draft combined with the effects of the Duane Brown trade, I'm thinking it's likely that a) one of the three above constraints has to go away or 2) Seattle is forced to keep one of them.

I think Darboh makes a big leap next year and replaces some of that production.

 

[ivotuk]

I'd prefer a player that contributes in all areas of the field.

The point of this thread is to identify one.

I did, keep PRich and let Graham walk. We have some good players outside of that who can score, but are also valuable at all points on the field.

Letting Graham walk doesn't assure us of losing those TDs next year. We develop WRs that can contribute in all parts of the game. Graham can by addition by subtraction because of the money saved, and production on the entire field.

It is an impossibility to "replace X number of touchdowns." One can evaluate the overall production of the team without Jimmy Graham though. Such as, maybe we have better TOP and YPC with someone playing that will block effectively.

 

[Steve2222]

This is stupid. We replace those two with the next man up. Paul Richardson is like the 40th best WR in the NFL. And even that is probably being generous.

The next man up on our roster is something like the 185th best.

And we're not talking about jettisoning just him.

The next man up might not be on the roster right now. The next man up might be Darboh. Whatever the case I’m not going to lose sleep over losing a league average #2 WR.

 

[bevellisthedevil]

Get an OC who doesn't suck. We could start with that. Nevermind, Pete says we are so close, just a little tweaking here and there and we can suck a little less.

 

[LickMyNuts]

we will trade our whole draft away for 23 7th rounders and first dibsies on UDFA's

these guys will be so chippy that they score touchdowns just by looking at the defense

 

[nanomoz]

Damien Harris, the Alabama back.

 

[Grahamhawker]

Moving C.J. Prosise to WR makes sense.

Less damage to his body and it’s exactly where he excels.

FOSHO with this.

Maybe.

Even the play that broke his shoulder blade happened well into the secondary, iirc. I don't recall any of his injuries stemming from slamming near the LOS.
Haven't most of his soft tissue problems been non-contact related or even at practice? Switching to WR does nothing to help those.

 

[NorthDallas40oz]

Richardson is a starter/#2 here, and nobody (other than maybe the Cleveland Browns) is going to sign him as a guaranteed starter (and/or for big money). And I'm sure Richardson wants no part of Cleveland. I fully expect him to be back, which is a good thing, because he's an under-rated/under-appreciated player whose speed allows him to carry the safety downfield which frees up Baldwin for a large chunk of his catches. Richardson's value goes well beyond his reception/TD totals.

 

[Steve2222]

Richardson’s probably going to have the same experience Kearse had testing the market. He’ll find that he’s not as coveted as he thinks he is.

 

[PaVloVa!8]

Pretty easy .. we score 12-13 of those TD with RB's (that should be normal except for us loll) .... and the 3-4 left ... you split them with Luke and Vannett ... and we just saved 10 millions on someone who is 6foot7 and 260+ and cant even block Walsh ... what a shame

 

[naholmes]

I would like to see them go after Terrell’s Pryor, who should come cheap after a lost season. He quickly was relegated to the doghouse in DC but I think he’s actually a great fit for the Seahawks offense. He’s has great speed and a good deep threat but he’s got size as well to high point those 50/50 balls and make an impact in the red zone. The knock on him is he didn’t run precise routes and Cousins couldn’t trust him. However, I don’t think that is a huge concern with the Russ Wilson scrambling around there really aren’t many timing patterns. If you get Pryor less than PRich and let Vannett replace Graham you have a lot of savings to invest in offensive line and to fix the running game.

A more expensive option would be Allen Robinson. He’s coming off an ACL tear but it was week 1, he should be good for camp. He did also have a down year in 2016 but Bortles was dreadful so not sure how much was his fault. IMO, ARob is a legit #1 WR and far more polished than Pryor but a much bigger investment and the Jags may tag him.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

Leveon Bell? Hmm, no FAs.

I feel like given the constraints (which seem unnecessarily restrictive) we need Carson to show up as the real deal. Maybe 8 touchdowns from him. DB/Lockett and maybe even Darboh will get theres. I don’t think replacing Richardson will be tough. Just need a handful from Vannett 2-3.

 

[irocdave]

How to replace sixteen TD's?

Number one, get rid of JG. Rehire Scotty MCg and buy him his own personnel bar, extract the cost of the booze from JS's pay, Scotty is a much better talent evaluater than JS or PC, that has been proven. Take the 10 million plus JG earns and put it towards a competent right tackle or extend or resign LT Brown. Then shit can Tom Cable. Take the 1st round draft pick this year and draft a dam top tier running back, or if none are available later in the first round draft a top tier real life offensive lineman, but only if Cable has packed his bags though. Draft or sign a FA blocking tight end. These are players that are cheap and plentiful, might also want to add another cheap and plentiful guy that plays full back.

Might have to shit can DB to make this happen, which wouldnt offend me one bit either. PC wants to be a run first team, get a real fullback and real blocking TE. This pretend BS with graham is just dumb, whats even worse is our OC who should also be looking for a job game plans around the NFL's worst blocker like he will all of the sudden decide to try.

This team isnt going to change until TC and DB get canned, doesnt matter if JG is here or is replaced by other players. That is the sad reality.

 

[chris98251]

Easy, score in the first half of 16 games

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I would like to see them go after Terrell’s Pryor, who should come cheap after a lost season. He quickly was relegated to the doghouse in DC but I think he’s actually a great fit for the Seahawks offense. He’s has great speed and a good deep threat but he’s got size as well to high point those 50/50 balls and make an impact in the red zone. The knock on him is he didn’t run precise routes and Cousins couldn’t trust him. However, I don’t think that is a huge concern with the Russ Wilson scrambling around there really aren’t many timing patterns.

I am more and more of the opinion that Wilson is a separation QB unless he has a ridiculous amount of faith in you. Baldwin gets looks because he separates. There ARE timing patterns in this O (from time to time); Wilson just isn't pulling the trigger because he doesn't like throwing into closer coverage until it's the 2nd half. If Pryor doesn't run good routes and isn't trusted by a highly underrated QB like Cousins, there's no way he'll be open enough to encourage Wilson to throw to him. That'd probably be a waste of money.

If you get Pryor less than PRich and let Vannett replace Graham you have a lot of savings to invest in offensive line and to fix the running game.

It's pretty common for folks to suggest that Willson and Vannett can just breeze in and replace Jimmy Graham, but I'm not seeing it. Graham got paid for a reason, in both cities he's played for. Willson and Vannett aren't going to pull off what he did.

Additionally, remember that the moment the #1 target leaves town, a defense's double coverage shifts to the next man up. Willson and Vannett would have more defenders to deal with once Graham left, meaning their current low productivity will take a hit.

And we're not going to run with only two tight ends. We'll be signing a third from somewhere. Tyler Eifert was suggested somewhere and that's intriguing, but he's got a long injury history to overcome - like Allen Robinson. Sadly, I kinda expect Pete to actually pull the trigger on one of those "injury discount" options.

 

[Palmegranite]

To put this in perspective, Jermaine Kearse has a total of 16 TDs in his entire career in the NFL. I suppose you find a way to keep JG.

 

[Jville]

Rule #1 is to protect the football. Russell Wilson is much better off with receiver change of direction, rubs and clearing out schemes. Just throwing the ball up to a physically tall/long receiver is a secondary option. IMO change of direction, body control, foot quickness, dependable hands and the willingness to reach and pluck the ball out of the air are the attributes that best comfort and fit Russell Wilson's style.

Red zone specialists are only attractive at an appropriate part time price. I'd like to see a shift to better rounded tight ends and running backs who can stay on the field as blockers while also providing services as check down receivers out of multiple alignments. I think the offense needs to set the edge and create uncertainty with more versatile personnel ...... even if that necessitates a reduction of roster specialists. The running game must be rebuilt and relaunched.

Make that the off season priorities ...... and the TD's will come.