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Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:06 pm
  • -- Without having the knowledge of what precisely occurred on every offensive play from an X's and O's standpoint, it sure seems like our Offensive Line was absolutely manhandled all game. The tackles were horrible. How much of that was the Packers impressive performance versus just how bad we are on the line we will soon find out. Regardless, the Packers game plan was endlessly attacking from start to finish and we were clearly ill prepared for it.

    -- Forget the lack of protection for a moment. Hard to do I know, but Russell Wilson just seemed to lack that magic spark he's been known for. Making plays out of nothing was his M.O. Today, he just looked ill-equiped to deal with the pressure. I found the lack of a fast tempo offense through much of the game perplexing. No read options? At all? It could all come down to the OL but even still I expected to see some Russ Magic today.

    -- Our defense is exactly what we thought they were. Frustrating Rodgers for most of the game. The large chunks of yards given up could be directly correlated to being gassed since our offense couldn't sustain long drives for most of the game. Not worried about them in the least. May even end up being the #1 defense again this year.

    -- Is it just me or do you also want to punch the TV every time they show Rodgers smug smiles in slow motion as they go to commercial breaks? Is there a more arrogant, smug QB in the NFL? My favorite moment in the game came after the Naz Pick 6 That Never Was But Should Have Been, as he thew his helmet down on the bench.

    -- Speaking of, I think this is the worst one-sided officiating I have seen in a Seahawks game since XL*. Absolutely atrocious. My friend, not a big football fan even texted me after the game: "Looks like the refs accepted money from the Packers before the game." Kidding? Maybe so, but the calls, and lacktherof, were entirely disturbing.

    -- If a player is ejected, that is the worst possible thing that can happen during a game (not including injury). Since there was no evidence on the replay that Lane punched the player, the league should allow ejections to be challenged. Now the fact that Lane was getting OWNED before the ejection is besides the point. He should have been able to challenge his ejection with a replay.

    -- I predict the Seahawks will do what they always do. Start off slow, make fans nervous, and build momentum as the season progresses. Still see us 11-5/10-6 winning the division. But today's loss could potentially be the difference of HFA or going on the road in the playoffs...Again.
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Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:09 pm
  • Aros wrote:-- Without having the knowledge of what precisely occurred on every offensive play from an X's and O's standpoint, it sure seems like our Offensive Line was absolutely manhandled all game. The tackles were horrible. How much of that was the Packers impressive performance versus just how bad we are on the line we will soon find out. Regardless, the Packers game plan was endlessly attacking from start to finish and we were clearly ill prepared for it.

    -- Forget the lack of protection for a moment. Hard to do I know, but Russell Wilson just seemed to lack that magic spark he's been known for. Making plays out of nothing was his M.O. Today, he just looked ill-equiped to deal with the pressure. I found the lack of a fast tempo offense through much of the game perplexing. No read options? At all? It could all come down to the OL but even still I expected to see some Russ Magic today.

    -- Our defense is exactly what we thought they were. Frustrating Rodgers for most of the game. The large chunks of yards given up could be directly correlated to being gassed since our offense couldn't sustain long drives for most of the game. Not worried about them in the least. May even end up being the #1 defense again this year.

    -- Is it just me or do you also want to punch the TV every time they show Rodgers smug smiles in slow motion as they go to commercial breaks? Is there a more arrogant, smug QB in the NFL? My favorite moment in the game came after the Naz Pick 6 That Never Was But Should Have Been, as he through his helmet down on the bench.

    -- Speaking of, I think this is the worst one-sided officiating I have seen in a Seahawks game since XL*. Absolutely atrocious. My friend, not a big football fan even texted me after the game: "Looks like the refs accepted money from the Packers before the game." Kidding? Maybe so, but the calls, and lacktherof, were entirely disturbing.

    -- If a player is ejected, that is the worst possible thing that can happen during a game (not including injury). Since there was no evidence on the replay that Lane punched the player, the league should allow ejections to be challenged. Now the fact that Lane was getting OWNED before the ejection is besides the point. He should have been able to challenge his ejection with a replay.

    -- I predict the Seahawks will do what they always do. Start off slow, make fans nervous, and build momentum as the season progresses. Still see us 11-5/10-6 winning the division. But today's loss could potentially be the difference of HFA or going on the road in the playoffs...Again.


    Nice, I pretty much agree, To me the issue on offense starts and stops with Oline, I mean there was some magic with Rw but with this oline even that is not enough. Also I think the refusal to go uptempo except twice was stupid. in 2015 Rw went on an historic run with uptmepo but for some reasons our coaches say hey that worked we cant do it what worked.
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Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:22 pm
  • Short and sweet, when you have 4 of 5 offensive lineman playing along side new people or in a different position, some seeing things for the first time from their assignments perspective were going to have issues, this is the bigger problem of lack of continuity. O line play off each other and trust each other to pick up assignments and hand off blocks. That just doesn't happen with a hand full of games together and piece work game time. This will be painful for about 5 more weeks till some of that continuity begins to happen.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:24 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Short and sweet, when you have 4 of 5 offensive lineman playing along side new people or in a different position, some seeing things for the first time from their assignments perspective were going to have issues, this is the bigger problem of lack of continuity. O line play off each other and trust each other to pick up assignments and hand off blocks. That just doesn't happen with a hand full of games together and piece work game time. This will be painful for about 5 more weeks till some of that continuity begins to happen.


    Doubt it. Didn't happen the last 2 years, IMO.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:27 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Short and sweet, when you have 4 of 5 offensive lineman playing along side new people or in a different position, some seeing things for the first time from their assignments perspective were going to have issues, this is the bigger problem of lack of continuity. O line play off each other and trust each other to pick up assignments and hand off blocks. That just doesn't happen with a hand full of games together and piece work game time. This will be painful for about 5 more weeks till some of that continuity begins to happen.


    We've heard that tired excuse several years now. No line repeatedly looks this bad year in and out and somehow gets better without a coaching change
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Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:30 pm
  • We can't play guys together for a stretch when the guys we are selecting in the first place are nowak, Gilliam, etc.
    It's not about letting 5 turds start together. It's about not picking and coaching turds so that what we have out there is worth keeping together.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:40 pm
  • You condemn it yet add to the argument with the line has not played together for the last 5 years with the same people in the majority of rolls, therefore no continuity. We have drafted a lot of bodies to play and keep rotating them on and off the team or in different positions, you don't need number one picks across the board but good technique and continuity. This is what has been plaguing us a lot.
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Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:53 pm
  • At some point, you should be able to start a season with some level of OL effectiveness. Needing to get 4+ games to get ready after the 1st game is an indictment of the decision process with the OL.

    That falls on the OL coach, but ultimately it falls on the HC and GM for accepting the substandard results repeatedly.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:15 pm
  • When Russ doesn't have "magic" to fix our broken offensive game plan, it shows that yes, we have a horrible offensive gameplan.

    We know we have a cheap line, but in order to keep the core of our offense and defense together, we had to pay them. Sure, they could be coached better, but they are still cheap or freshly drafted guys. The money isn't there to go buy a line.

    What that means is we need to strategize and come into games with a game plan suited to a line that for the most part can't provide protection for long developing plays. Tons of teams do this. The Patriots constantly hit hot routes all the way up the field 5 yards at a time.

    Bevell doesn't do this. He develops gameplans to try to maximize explosive plays. He doesn't take into account that we don't have OL personnel to carry that out. That is why we are constantly going 3 and out.

    Take 2 receivers, spread them out wide and run their routes fast and deep to make sure and draw the corners and free safety. Run 2 TE for the hot routes both in and out routes, bit short and horizontal. RB in the backfield for either the run play or to provide addl protection. The RB can also release late when he sees a hole.

    Watch the teams that are good at moving the chains and this is what they do. It forces LB'S to have to pay attention to the short pass, which then takes the pressure off the line and running plays.

    It is maddening that an OC Maki g big money with tons of talent to work with can't seem to grasp this.

    It is EXACTLY what we did the last half of 2015 to finally start getting W's, but has been abandoned since.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:25 pm
  • johnnyfever wrote:When Russ doesn't have "magic" to fix our broken offensive game plan, it shows that yes, we have a horrible offensive gameplan.

    We know we have a cheap line, but in order to keep the core of our offense and defense together, we had to pay them. Sure, they could be coached better, but they are still cheap or freshly drafted guys. The money isn't there to go buy a line.

    What that means is we need to strategize and come into games with a game plan suited to a line that for the most part can't provide protection for long developing plays. Tons of teams do this. The Patriots constantly hit hot routes all the way up the field 5 yards at a time.

    Bevell doesn't do this. He develops gameplans to try to maximize explosive plays. He doesn't take into account that we don't have OL personnel to carry that out. That is why we are constantly going 3 and out.

    Take 2 receivers, spread them out wide and run their routes fast and deep to make sure and draw the corners and free safety. Run 2 TE for the hot routes both in and out routes, bit short and horizontal. RB in the backfield for either the run play or to provide addl protection. The RB can also release late when he sees a hole.

    Watch the teams that are good at moving the chains and this is what they do. It forces LB'S to have to pay attention to the short pass, which then takes the pressure off the line and running plays.

    It is maddening that an OC Maki g big money with tons of talent to work with can't seem to grasp this.

    It is EXACTLY what we did the last half of 2015 to finally start getting W's, but has been abandoned since.


    Awesome post. Totally agree.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:29 pm
  • Seems like a good overview on how the playcalling was perplexing to say the least:

    https://twitter.com/mattyfbrown/status/ ... 5939334145

    Looking forward to listening to the podcast where Matty breaks it down further.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:45 pm
  • I am just a little surprised that people were surprised with the Offense's performance. After observing the offensive line in pre-season and seeing who the starters were for this game, they performed EXACTLY how I expected. I know some of the local radio personalities thought Odhiambo and Ifedi performed fine in pre-season.

    I did not.

    There is a lot of draft capital wrapped up in those two guys and, as of right now, they're just not good. They haven't looked good and I think a lot of what people saw in pre-season was a sort of 'seeing-what-you-want-to-see' type of thing. This O-Line has been garbage the past 3 years. I am hopeful that they can gel, but quite frankly they look just like they did last year, which was not good.

    Fingers crossed, but not a good start.

    Overall, I think the defense did well holding Green Bay to 17 points. I've also thought all pre-season that Naz Jones was the best draft choice for us and a real steal. He's going to be good.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:57 pm
  • So were the Packers Defense that good?
    Not only against our OL, but when Wilson had time, it just seemed he couldn't find very man receivers open. There was some catches, sure, but still they appeared from what I can remember, just about all contested.
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Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:02 pm
  • Bobblehead wrote:So were the Packers Defense that good?
    Not only against our OL, but when Wilson had time, it just seemed he couldn't find very man receivers open. There was some catches, sure, but still they appeared from what I can remember, just about all contested.


    No, you will see the Packers get lit up this year. Our problem was, yes, the offensive line first and foremost. But secondarily, we don't have receivers, other than Doug Baldwin, who can achieve separation and get open. Neither Richardson nor Graham do that very well, in my opinion.

    On a plus side, both Graham and Richardson seem to catch well in traffic, which is good cause they don't achieve separation very well.
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Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:10 pm
  • johnnyfever wrote:When Russ doesn't have "magic" to fix our broken offensive game plan, it shows that yes, we have a horrible offensive gameplan.

    We know we have a cheap line, but in order to keep the core of our offense and defense together, we had to pay them. Sure, they could be coached better, but they are still cheap or freshly drafted guys. The money isn't there to go buy a line.

    What that means is we need to strategize and come into games with a game plan suited to a line that for the most part can't provide protection for long developing plays. Tons of teams do this. The Patriots constantly hit hot routes all the way up the field 5 yards at a time.

    Bevell doesn't do this. He develops gameplans to try to maximize explosive plays. He doesn't take into account that we don't have OL personnel to carry that out. That is why we are constantly going 3 and out.

    Take 2 receivers, spread them out wide and run their routes fast and deep to make sure and draw the corners and free safety. Run 2 TE for the hot routes both in and out routes, bit short and horizontal. RB in the backfield for either the run play or to provide addl protection. The RB can also release late when he sees a hole.

    Watch the teams that are good at moving the chains and this is what they do. It forces LB'S to have to pay attention to the short pass, which then takes the pressure off the line and running plays.

    It is maddening that an OC Maki g big money with tons of talent to work with can't seem to grasp this.

    It is EXACTLY what we did the last half of 2015 to finally start getting W's, but has been abandoned since.



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    1 we move the best in uptempo period that is what we should be doing
    2 most of our money goes to defense, to the tune of 28 mil more. Not to say they should not or should just saying let's not make the excuse because we have our QB, 1 Wr and a Te making decent money we can't pay more for oline. Point in case the offense gets Jockel, a nver was, the defense gets Richardson a pro bowler.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:13 pm
  • Bobblehead wrote:So were the Packers Defense that good?
    Not only against our OL, but when Wilson had time, it just seemed he couldn't find very man receivers open. There was some catches, sure, but still they appeared from what I can remember, just about all contested.



    Wilson was pressured, hit or sacked on 70% of his attempts that says it all
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:15 pm
  • I thought the play of Shaq Griffin was a real positive. Last rookie corner I saw play at that level in his first game was Richard Sherman. And I recall saying to my season ticket holding brethren in 306 that "Hey look like got ourselves a keeper at CB finally" So I'm pleased with that.

    Just hope the friendly confines of Clink will help the offence next week.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:30 pm
  • This game 100% proved the officials will attempt to steer a game to a predetermined outcome for reasons unknown. There is no way that level of incompetence that we observed was by accident, and if it was, you don't deserve a job in such a prestigious position.

    At least become better at disguising the bias so it doesn't ruin the game
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:33 pm
  • Mike Holmgren would run max protect schemes when the line was breaking down. Need to throw to running back, slants.........it's not rocket science.

    I like our dine stunts and performance Richardson made a lot of difference.

    This is not a Superbowl team. The defense could be awesome. Lots of good new peices. Colman and Shaq rocked.

    The Packers lost players on their line. Baluga was out too. Yet aaron made plays. This team wasn't prepared well. Wilson needs to get the ball out fast. If he does it opens the run game. Backs didn't have a prayer.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:39 pm
  • Atradees wrote:Mike Holmgren would run max protect schemes when the line was breaking down. Need to throw to running back, slants.........it's not rocket science.

    I like our dine stunts and performance Richardson made a lot of difference.

    This is not a Superbowl team. The defense could be awesome. Lots of good new peices. Colman and Shaq rocked.


    You hit on a great point. Our play calling does not take into account the kinds of players who are on the field.
    It's weird, as if we can't adjust to our strengths and weaknesses.

    If things don't improve our defense is going to blow up at some point and I wouldn't blame them one bit.
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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:47 pm
  • Man, Russell was bad. Like, wow bad. The sure TD he missed to Lockett. lol @ the attempts to Graham in the red zone. The third down decisions. We were 25% on third down. Jeesh. I mean, the running game didn't help him out at all, but that was some of the worst execution of the QB position we have seen since, what, whoever was before Dilfer?
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Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:51 pm
  • Have the Hawks become the Dungy Era Bucks?

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Re: Observations
Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:08 pm
  • cymatica wrote:This game 100% proved the officials will attempt to steer a game to a predetermined outcome for reasons unknown. There is no way that level of incompetence that we observed was by accident, and if it was, you don't deserve a job in such a prestigious position.

    At least become better at disguising the bias so it doesn't ruin the game


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Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:11 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:Seems like a good overview on how the playcalling was perplexing to say the least:

    https://twitter.com/mattyfbrown/status/ ... 5939334145

    Looking forward to listening to the podcast where Matty breaks it down further.


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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:32 pm
  • Anthony! wrote:
    johnnyfever wrote:When Russ doesn't have "magic" to fix our broken offensive game plan, it shows that yes, we have a horrible offensive gameplan.

    We know we have a cheap line, but in order to keep the core of our offense and defense together, we had to pay them. Sure, they could be coached better, but they are still cheap or freshly drafted guys. The money isn't there to go buy a line.

    What that means is we need to strategize and come into games with a game plan suited to a line that for the most part can't provide protection for long developing plays. Tons of teams do this. The Patriots constantly hit hot routes all the way up the field 5 yards at a time.

    Bevell doesn't do this. He develops gameplans to try to maximize explosive plays. He doesn't take into account that we don't have OL personnel to carry that out. That is why we are constantly going 3 and out.

    Take 2 receivers, spread them out wide and run their routes fast and deep to make sure and draw the corners and free safety. Run 2 TE for the hot routes both in and out routes, bit short and horizontal. RB in the backfield for either the run play or to provide addl protection. The RB can also release late when he sees a hole.

    Watch the teams that are good at moving the chains and this is what they do. It forces LB'S to have to pay attention to the short pass, which then takes the pressure off the line and running plays.

    It is maddening that an OC Maki g big money with tons of talent to work with can't seem to grasp this.

    It is EXACTLY what we did the last half of 2015 to finally start getting W's, but has been abandoned since.



    2 THINGS

    1 we move the best in uptempo period that is what we should be doing
    2 most of our money goes to defense, to the tune of 28 mil more. Not to say they should not or should just saying let's not make the excuse because we have our QB, 1 Wr and a Te making decent money we can't pay more for oline. Point in case the offense gets Jockel, a nver was, the defense gets Richardson a pro bowler.


    I agree that uptempo is part of the equation, , but "whole game" uptempo isn't possible.

    Teams practice uptempo and 2 minute drill for short bursts for a reason. They are a collection of plays that have simple personnel and line setups. It usually has very few player changes. If you did this too long, you would gas your offense.

    We need to mix it in, but whole game uptempo is nearly impossible. If Russ was calling the plays, then we could have a faster setup to the offense, but the play would still need to be communicated, and personnel changes have to happen to keep guys fresh.
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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:34 pm
  • Bobblehead wrote:So were the Packers Defense that good?
    Not only against our OL, but when Wilson had time, it just seemed he couldn't find very man receivers open. There was some catches, sure, but still they appeared from what I can remember, just about all contested.

    What has gone unnoticed by The national media is that the packers are better at every position with the exception of the right side of the offensive line then the team that played in the NFC championship game 8 months ago. There is zero comparison to the cornerbacks that were trotted out with torn groins and what is on the field now. The Falcons are going to have their hands full next week
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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:36 pm
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    Bobblehead wrote:So were the Packers Defense that good?
    Not only against our OL, but when Wilson had time, it just seemed he couldn't find very man receivers open. There was some catches, sure, but still they appeared from what I can remember, just about all contested.


    What has gone unnoticed by The national media is that the packers are better at every position with the exception of the right side of the offensive line then the team that played in the NFC championship game 8 months ago.

    There is zero comparison to the cornerbacks that were trotted out with torn groins and what is on the field now. The Falcons are going to have their hands full next week


    Have to agree with this. The Packers have a great GM, the guy that John Schneider learned from, and they didn't stand still this last year. They improved.
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:34 pm
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    Bobblehead wrote:So were the Packers Defense that good?
    Not only against our OL, but when Wilson had time, it just seemed he couldn't find very man receivers open. There was some catches, sure, but still they appeared from what I can remember, just about all contested.


    What has gone unnoticed by The national media is that the packers are better at every position with the exception of the right side of the offensive line then the team that played in the NFC championship game 8 months ago.

    There is zero comparison to the cornerbacks that were trotted out with torn groins and what is on the field now. The Falcons are going to have their hands full next week


    Have to agree with this. The Packers have a great GM, the guy that John Schneider learned from, and they didn't stand still this last year. They improved.

    Yeah, rewatching now. This defense can fly at every level.
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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:54 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:At some point, you should be able to start a season with some level of OL effectiveness. Needing to get 4+ games to get ready after the 1st game is an indictment of the decision process with the OL.

    That falls on the OL coach, but ultimately it falls on the HC and GM for accepting the substandard results repeatedly.


    And this is where I am at a loss.

    The most important piece of this team is running for his life, and they still act like nothing is wrong.

    I love Pete, but I am getting tired of his "everything is great" attitude.
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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:00 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:Man, Russell was bad. Like, wow bad. The sure TD he missed to Lockett. lol @ the attempts to Graham in the red zone. The third down decisions. We were 25% on third down. Jeesh. I mean, the running game didn't help him out at all, but that was some of the worst execution of the QB position we have seen since, what, whoever was before Dilfer?

    I have to agree with this and others made some good points also but it all starts with RW.
    I'd figure by now he can call plays and check out of them by reading the defense.
    Can he not read a defense?Can he not audible?Can he not feel where the pressure is?
    The one thing I saw is he is lousy when he stays in pocket and waits too long only to get strip sacked.
    Did all see the P D swarm the edges so he can't run out of the pocket?
    They dared him to work in it and to step up and He pretty much failed.
    He had a great run when he took off up the middle and that was there all game.
    Has he not learned to take what the D gives?
    The days of going outside to pass and running RO are pretty much over.
    Teams know where he is weak so he better learn how to adjust.
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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:23 pm
  • Walsh must be breathing a freakin' huge sigh of relief after that game. Like, the offence stinks the joint out and he comes in and calmly scores 100% of the points single-handedly. All of the pressure to live down the frozen kick in Minneapolis was immediately relieved.

    His predecessor didn't fare as well in Buffalo.
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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:58 pm
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Re: Observations
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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:14 pm
  • Palmegranite wrote:Walsh must be breathing a freakin' huge sigh of relief after that game. Like, the offence stinks the joint out and he comes in and calmly scores 100% of the points single-handedly. All of the pressure to live down the frozen kick in Minneapolis was immediately relieved.

    His predecessor didn't fare as well in Buffalo.



    Good point that has gone mostly unnoticed because of the atrocious offensive production. His field goals were right down the middle and I thought his kickoffs had great distance as well. He's off to a good start. Hopefully he will have a chance to attempt an extra point sometime soon.
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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:22 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:Seems like a good overview on how the playcalling was perplexing to say the least:

    https://twitter.com/mattyfbrown/status/ ... 5939334145

    Looking forward to listening to the podcast where Matty breaks it down further.


    Nailed it. Shit. Shitty kitty!



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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:38 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:Seems like a good overview on how the playcalling was perplexing to say the least:

    https://twitter.com/mattyfbrown/status/ ... 5939334145

    Looking forward to listening to the podcast where Matty breaks it down further.


    Nailed it. Shit. Shitty kitty!



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Re: Observations
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:01 pm
  • Can we still claim that there isn't much investment in the offensive line? The starting line has two first-round draft picks (one via FA getting paid well for one year), a second-round draft pick, a third-round pick, and a fourth-round pick.

    Glowinski is now in his third year, and he's back at his natural position. And he was absolutely atrocious. I really thought the interior line would be improved. It was so awful.

    The struggle of the tackles isn't surprising, well, maybe in the run game it is. But there were a dozen snaps where it looked like college guys (GB) playing high school guys.
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:40 am
  • I will point this out one more time... the Packers stacked their squad more than any other team to beat the schemes that the Seahawks run. Pretty much since thier 2014 draft.

    It's why they've been the one of only two teams thus far since 2011 mid-season to give us some of our biggest losses. Falcons being the other.

    The score was 17-9 Packers, but we all know the game was pretty much a stalemate. Which I'll take any day going away at Lambeau. Packers got some help from officiating and really were only to capitalize on some really bad Seahawks mistakes and miscues.

    Wilson should have took the sack or protect the ball better.

    That late substitution was a bad decision.

    Their FG made was a foot away from being a miss.

    The game looked ugly, but only because it was ultra-competitive... win or lose in those games... imo... is only going to make everyone better in the long run.
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:20 am
  • I wonder if the is little to no read option because of the difficulty of executing it with RB by committee. It is a very tough thing to do to sync between RB and QB. With so many in backfield complicates it. Before it was just Russell an Lynch.
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:34 am
  • Pandion Haliaetus wrote:I will point this out one more time... the Packers stacked their squad more than any other team to beat the schemes that the Seahawks run. Pretty much since thier 2014 draft.

    It's why they've been the one of only two teams thus far since 2011 mid-season to give us some of our biggest losses. Falcons being the other.

    The score was 17-9 Packers, but we all know the game was pretty much a stalemate. Which I'll take any day going away at Lambeau. Packers got some help from officiating and really were only to capitalize on some really bad Seahawks mistakes and miscues.

    Wilson should have took the sack or protect the ball better.

    That late substitution was a bad decision.

    Their FG made was a foot away from being a miss.

    The game looked ugly, but only because it was ultra-competitive... win or lose in those games... imo... is only going to make everyone better in the long run.

    Were you watching the same game I was? The Seahawks were badly overmatched offensively by a much improved Packer defense. As a result of this and not being able to stop Rodgers often enough on third down they were doubled up on time of possession... These teams are NOT the same talent wise... Having the best defense and the worst offense in the NFL is not going to win you the super bowl, which is what it's all about... You must have SOME balance...
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:40 am
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    Pandion Haliaetus wrote:I will point this out one more time... the Packers stacked their squad more than any other team to beat the schemes that the Seahawks run. Pretty much since thier 2014 draft.

    It's why they've been the one of only two teams thus far since 2011 mid-season to give us some of our biggest losses. Falcons being the other.

    The score was 17-9 Packers, but we all know the game was pretty much a stalemate. Which I'll take any day going away at Lambeau. Packers got some help from officiating and really were only to capitalize on some really bad Seahawks mistakes and miscues.

    Wilson should have took the sack or protect the ball better.

    That late substitution was a bad decision.

    Their FG made was a foot away from being a miss.

    The game looked ugly, but only because it was ultra-competitive... win or lose in those games... imo... is only going to make everyone better in the long run.

    We're you watching the same game I was? The Seahawks were badly overmatched offensively by a much improved Packer defense. As a result of this and not being able to stop Rodgers often enough on third down they were doubled up on time of possession... These teams are NOT the same talent wise... Having the best defense and the worst offense in the NFL is not going to win you the super bowl, which is what it's all about... You must have SOME balance...


    Worst offense in the NFL? That is a bold proclamation after Week 1.
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:00 am
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    ptisme wrote:
    Pandion Haliaetus wrote:I will point this out one more time... the Packers stacked their squad more than any other team to beat the schemes that the Seahawks run. Pretty much since thier 2014 draft.

    It's why they've been the one of only two teams thus far since 2011 mid-season to give us some of our biggest losses. Falcons being the other.

    The score was 17-9 Packers, but we all know the game was pretty much a stalemate. Which I'll take any day going away at Lambeau. Packers got some help from officiating and really were only to capitalize on some really bad Seahawks mistakes and miscues.

    Wilson should have took the sack or protect the ball better.

    That late substitution was a bad decision.

    Their FG made was a foot away from being a miss.

    The game looked ugly, but only because it was ultra-competitive... win or lose in those games... imo... is only going to make everyone better in the long run.

    We're you watching the same game I was? The Seahawks were badly overmatched offensively by a much improved Packer defense. As a result of this and not being able to stop Rodgers often enough on third down they were doubled up on time of possession... These teams are NOT the same talent wise... Having the best defense and the worst offense in the NFL is not going to win you the super bowl, which is what it's all about... You must have SOME balance...


    Worst offense in the NFL? That is a bold proclamation after Week 1.

    OK.... Well I also told you that you had the best defense in the NFL.... How about this: Great defense/horrible offense...
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:35 am
  • johnnyfever wrote:When Russ doesn't have "magic" to fix our broken offensive game plan, it shows that yes, we have a horrible offensive gameplan.

    We know we have a cheap line, but in order to keep the core of our offense and defense together, we had to pay them. Sure, they could be coached better, but they are still cheap or freshly drafted guys. The money isn't there to go buy a line.

    What that means is we need to strategize and come into games with a game plan suited to a line that for the most part can't provide protection for long developing plays. Tons of teams do this. The Patriots constantly hit hot routes all the way up the field 5 yards at a time.

    Bevell doesn't do this. He develops gameplans to try to maximize explosive plays. He doesn't take into account that we don't have OL personnel to carry that out. That is why we are constantly going 3 and out.

    Take 2 receivers, spread them out wide and run their routes fast and deep to make sure and draw the corners and free safety. Run 2 TE for the hot routes both in and out routes, bit short and horizontal. RB in the backfield for either the run play or to provide addl protection. The RB can also release late when he sees a hole.

    Watch the teams that are good at moving the chains and this is what they do. It forces LB'S to have to pay attention to the short pass, which then takes the pressure off the line and running plays.

    It is maddening that an OC Maki g big money with tons of talent to work with can't seem to grasp this.

    It is EXACTLY what we did the last half of 2015 to finally start getting W's, but has been abandoned since.

    People, take a minute and read through johnnyfever's post. He makes outstanding points about strategy and minimizing flaws.

    I just rewatched the condensed version of the game twice and was surprised to see how many times we squandered opportunities in the game because Bevell was looking for "chunk" plays and not just trying to move the chains. What I cannot understand about our current philosophy is that they take a personnel-be-damned approach and feed into our weaknesses.

    Andy Reid is fantastic at recognizing what his offense is capable of and what it is not able to do. When he traded for Smith the Chiefs didn't have many playmakers so he let Smith stick to short, high-percentage throws to minimize the risks of a team without the ability to stretch the field. The result wasn't an explosive offense, but they moved the chains and kept the defense fresh, while playing solid special teams and maximizing field position.

    That is what we need.

    Rewatch the game and notice how many times the top of all the receivers' routes are 12 yards or more from scrimmage. Wilson doesn't have that kind of time. Why are we not flooding the short areas of zones? Why are we not moving the pocket more? Why are we constantly trying to push the ball 15 yards or more downfield when Wilson can't set his feet and make reads?

    Our line has difficulty moving the line of scrimmage in the run game, and more often than not one of them loses his battle in pass-pro. Let's dial back the aggressiveness in the pass game, worry less about setting up chunk plays with play-action and start concentrating on moving the chains with high percentage, shorter throws. This line isn't built develop plays downfield.

    To me the blame is a three-headed monster. No matter how many high draft picks or free agents we bring in, Cable can't assemble an NFL caliber unit. It's obvious that our line has shortcomings, yet Bevell continues to dial the aggressiveness up to 11. Carroll needs to demand that our offensive brain-trust adjusts its strategy and stop putting Wilson in no-win situations.
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:02 am
  • johnnyfever wrote:When Russ doesn't have "magic" to fix our broken offensive game plan, it shows that yes, we have a horrible offensive gameplan.

    We know we have a cheap line, but in order to keep the core of our offense and defense together, we had to pay them. Sure, they could be coached better, but they are still cheap or freshly drafted guys. The money isn't there to go buy a line.

    What that means is we need to strategize and come into games with a game plan suited to a line that for the most part can't provide protection for long developing plays. Tons of teams do this. The Patriots constantly hit hot routes all the way up the field 5 yards at a time.

    Bevell doesn't do this. He develops gameplans to try to maximize explosive plays. He doesn't take into account that we don't have OL personnel to carry that out. That is why we are constantly going 3 and out.

    Take 2 receivers, spread them out wide and run their routes fast and deep to make sure and draw the corners and free safety. Run 2 TE for the hot routes both in and out routes, bit short and horizontal. RB in the backfield for either the run play or to provide addl protection. The RB can also release late when he sees a hole.

    Watch the teams that are good at moving the chains and this is what they do. It forces LB'S to have to pay attention to the short pass, which then takes the pressure off the line and running plays.

    It is maddening that an OC Maki g big money with tons of talent to work with can't seem to grasp this.

    It is EXACTLY what we did the last half of 2015 to finally start getting W's, but has been abandoned since.


    You're exactly right ^...This is a "Copy Cat" League, but "I'm gon do it my way, even if it kills Russ" Bevell is a different kind of Cat and he ain't 'bout to copy anyone.
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:26 am
  • cymatica wrote:This game 100% proved the officials will attempt to steer a game to a predetermined outcome for reasons unknown. There is no way that level of incompetence that we observed was by accident, and if it was, you don't deserve a job in such a prestigious position.

    At least become better at disguising the bias so it doesn't ruin the game

    This ^......When a Packers fan comes here and says "You Can't Blame It All On The Officials"?.......You KNOW you've struck a nerve.
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:47 am
  • nanomoz wrote:Can we still claim that there isn't much investment in the offensive line? The starting line has two first-round draft picks (one via FA getting paid well for one year), a second-round draft pick, a third-round pick, and a fourth-round pick.

    Glowinski is now in his third year, and he's back at his natural position. And he was absolutely atrocious. I really thought the interior line would be improved. It was so awful.

    The struggle of the tackles isn't surprising, well, maybe in the run game it is. But there were a dozen snaps where it looked like college guys (GB) playing high school guys.



    Good Post.

    It sure seems like that a lot of teams do more with less (draft pick wise) on their O-Lines.

    It's interesting that no team has drafted more offensive lineman in the past seven years than the Seahawks. http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahaw ... since-2010

    We have not ignored the O line at all. Quite the contrary, we have just been unsuccessful in drafting and developing effective players.


    Here is a summary of our O line picks since 2010.

    ROUND YEAR PLAYER STARTS FOR SEAHAWKS
    1 2010 Russell Okung 72
    1 2011 James Carptenter 39
    1 2016 Germain Ifedi 13
    2 2014 Justin Britt 47
    2 2017 Ethan Pocic N/A
    3 2011 John Moffitt 15
    3 2016 Rees Odhiambo 0
    4 2015 Terry Poole 0
    4 2015 Mark Glowinski 17
    6 2014 Garrett Scott 0
    6 2015 Kristjan Sokoli 0
    6 2016 Joey Hunt 1
    6 2017 Justin Senior N/A
    7 2012 J.R. Sweezy 49
    7 2013 Ryan Seymour 0
    7 2013 Michael Bowie 8
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:46 pm
  • The short version is that our defense allowed 17 points to Rodgers at home. He was shut out in the first half at home for only the 2nd time in his career.

    One of those TD's was due to us fumbling on the 6 yard line. The other one was some trickery and getting caught with their pants down, which might also be on the coaching staff there as well. All that after playing 2/3 of the game.

    Seriously, this defense is going to be epic. Maybe historic if Griffin rounds up to form quickly. I was pleasantly impressed by him. First game as a rookie, IN Lambeau across from Sherman...who Rodgers usually avoids. He "balled out" as Earl Thomas said, and should only get better.

    Historically (excepting last year) our offensive line typically starts slow and starts to get better around weeks 4-6. I'm hoping for that this year with more veteran presence on the line. Wilson has more weapons than I can remember him having. Carson should only get better and we're getting Rawls back.

    I penciled this in as a loss. It's still frustrating (more so because of the officiating), but I see a lot of positive signs.
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Re: Observations
Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:07 pm
  • Hawks46 wrote:I penciled this in as a loss. It's still frustrating (more so because of the officiating), but I see a lot of positive signs.



    I did too. The problem is there were no positive signs on the offensive side of the ball (with the potential exception of Carson moving up on the depth chart).


    If you would have offered me giving up 17 at Lambeau against Erin Rodgers, I would have taken it all day long and I agree this D is amazing.
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