Sports Hernia wrote:The players are NOT faultless, BUT I’m placing the majority of the blame on Cable.
Time will tell what the correct answer is.
jammerhawk wrote:Cable had everyone conned for years. For years the OLine underperformed, and Cable finally was exposed after Lynch was hurt, then retired/left probably to get away from Cable, and then he contrived to get Sherman Smith canned thus removing the filters that sheltered or protected him from the exposure of his incompetence, or the whackiness of his blocking schemes. Once Lynch, and Smith were gone he had little clue how to make the running game work b/c his OLine couldn’t block a lick, none of his RBs could stay healthy, or survive constantly being tackled behind or right at the LOS. We need to remember with Cable the team had 12 RBs in TC last season, had previously seasons before released Ware and axed a good RB in Collins who Baltimore has made into the quality RB our team’s scouts knew he was. Keeping Lacy was a sick joke. I wonder what Cable was spinning to Pete.
Cable talked the talk but it was a Fable and had been his whole time here, others protected him. So glad he’s gone any average OLine coach including Solari who is better than average will be an upgrade. I am jazzed the big athletic crew here that has been flopping on Cable’s direction just might have a chance to display their physicality and real talent this coming season. It will be addition by subtraction.
The team has two players that are proven ProBowl level players in Brown and Britt, now if we can get a RT from 3 candidates Ifedi, Fant and Jones; and Pocic or Odhiambo developes into a LG or a RG, and any of the others can play the other inside position the team should have an average to better than average OLine, instead of 5 players who flop in some lame attempt to all cut block while whiffing, not that it wasn’t obvious to all watching. That one play was the proof positive Cable was over his head and the team needed to move on from the Fable that was the OLine coach, Running Game Coordinator, and Assistant Head Coach. The O was screwed up by the division of authority between Bevell and him. This coaching change was way overdue.
In reality I’m sure Cable is actually a good Coach, and a good man, but he was over his head here or he was protected by talent or others until exposed and had to go. However, I suspect he may find running things his way in Oakland will lead to a shorter tenure than here.
jammerhawk wrote: the OLine more often looked like matadors in passpro and w/o Wilson’s ability to improvise the failure of Bevell’s schemes would have been even more pronounced.
I support the view it is mostly upon the coaching that has resulted in poor OLine play..
scutterhawk wrote:jammerhawk wrote: the OLine more often looked like matadors in passpro and w/o Wilson’s ability to improvise the failure of Bevell’s schemes would have been even more pronounced.
I support the view it is mostly upon the coaching that has resulted in poor OLine play..
This ^,
For sure Bevell was having to design his plays around an O-Line that couldn't be counted on to make some of the plays workable, thanks to Cables shitty Offensive Line Coaching schemes.
When you have some players floundering while playing for the Seahawks, and then go elsewhere and starts getting their shit together under different Coaching, that's pretty telling.
A-Dog wrote:
Was Cable to blame? Absolutely. But Pete gave him too much power, put too much trust in him, and did not make changes when it was clear Cable's philosophies were failing. As a result the team lost 2-3 years of title contention and the chance at a dynasty.
A-Dog wrote:Ultimately the blame falls on Pete Carroll.
Pete wanted to carry over the principles and schemes that he won with in college, and he hired Alex Gibbs to install the zone blocking scheme in Seattle. After missing on Trent Williams, they drafted Russell Okung with the 6th pick in the 2010 NFL draft to lock down the most important position on the OL, left tackle.
Out of the blue, Gibbs retired just before the 2010 season started, with some insiders suggesting that disagreements on personnel decisions contributed to his departure. Pat Ruel was brought in as a stopgap replacement and the team finished 31st in the NFL in rushing.
After that season Cable was hired as offensive line coach, but was granted additional power with the titles of Assistant Head Coach and Running Game Coordinator. Marshawn Lynch, who had been acquired via trade midway through the 2010 season and punctuated that first year in Seattle with his Beastquake run, finished 2011 with 1204 yards and 12 touchdowns. The rest, as they say, is history.
So what went wrong?
A few things:
1) College offenses were changing and the talent pool for offensive linemen started to dry up
2) Seattle's young stars started earning new mega contracts
3) Cable convinced Pete that he could start turning raw athletes in to quality NFL offensive linemen that would thrive in his zone scheme
4) Injuries, trades, and free-agent departures depleted the existing veteran O-line talent
5) Draft picks and free-agent acquisitions on the O-line fizzled and Cable's project athletes struggled to find success
6) Chop blocks, already illegal on passing downs, were made illegal on running downs after the 2015 season
So what did Pete do wrong?
1) He and John Schneider failed to adjust scheme and personnel strategy to account for the changing talent pool
2) He hired Cable and gave him possibly the most power than an NFL O-line coach has ever had
3) He trusted Cable to develop unskilled athletes in to quality NFL offensive linemen
4) He and Schneider under-prioritized the retention of veteran starters on the O-line
5) He, Cable, and Schneider failed massively at acquiring O-Line talent
6) The rules changed (which should not have been a surprise), and Pete stuck with Cable and his zone scheme. The team went from 3rd in the NFL in rushing in 2015 (even with Lynch gaining only 417 yards) all the way down to 25th following the rules change for the 2016 season.
Was Cable to blame? Absolutely. But Pete gave him too much power, put too much trust in him, and did not make changes when it was clear Cable's philosophies were failing. As a result the team lost 2-3 years of title contention and the chance at a dynasty.
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