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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 am
  • RCATES wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    RCATES wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    LOL.

    I know...its like, do you really wanna be right that bad?

    As a Niners fan I can't say believably that I want the Seahawks to come back just as good as before, but I do miss that rivalry for a few years.

    Those defenses were just ferocious. It was old school football.

    Whatever the new generation is of Seahawks football, it likely won't resemble the old one much at all...much like SF.

    If the Niners thrive, it will be on the back of Kyle Shanahan, Jimmy Garopplo and a young defense. The Rams are now a force to be reckoned with with McVay, Goff and....a good but slightly older defense.

    Division is changing. Seahawks still have Wilson in his prime, but don't know if they have the young offensive mind (tho finally parting with Bevell was a good start) and a D that needs to be rebuilt.

    Should be fun to watch. I personally don't think the Rams are running away with it. I'm not writing off the 'hawks just yet either.


    1-11 including 9 losses in a row will do that to a rivalry.


    Is that what its up to now?

    Quite honestly I didn't even know what it was. When your team craters that significantly you stop really paying attention to divisional records. You just start wondering if they can win ANY game.


    It came really fast didn't it. I sure do miss seeing JH on the sideline yelling in his Kaky pants. Niners had to be bad for a few years to be where there at today. I still believe the Rams are the best by far in the NFC West but you guys are right on their heels. I expect the tide to turn this year on the Rivalry. Wouldn't be surprised if we got swept by the Niners this year.


    It's funny...for a few years there the only team in the entire league the Niners could beat was the Rams. Now they might be the powerhouse in the division.

    I'm hopeful with the Niners but I think they still need some pieces to be legit contenders...namely Pass Rusher, Guard, LB (especially if Foster is suspended) and WR.
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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:59 am
  • RCATES wrote:It came really fast didn't it.


    Ehhh, I think the fulcrum of it came really quickly in the 2015 offseason. but the signs were already there.

    As for that offseason, over the span of about six weeks they lost Jim Harbaugh and six pro-bowlers (Willis, Aldon and Justin Smith, Gore, Iupati, and Davis), in addition to another pro-bowler at the start of the year (Vernon Davis).

    While at the time reporters were calling it the worst offseason in NFL history (and it probably was), I think people forget three key things leading up to it:

    1) They had been shedding a ton of starters and quality backups for a few years in a row before that due to the salary cap and other teams poaching their tier 2 guys.

    2) They had drafted really poorly for several years before that so they didn't have much in the way of quality players who could step in.

    3) Even in the season before that offseason when it all fell apart everyone seems to forget that they weren't very good, and went 8-8.


    So here's where I get myself into trouble: Before this offseason #s 1, 2, and 3 are also very descriptive of the Seahawks these last few years

    This offseason instead of replacing their coach they've replaced all their coordinators, and they've also shed at minimum five pro-bowlers (Bennett, Sherman, Graham, Avril, Richardson), and could ultimately shed as many as seven (ET3 and Kam).

    To be clear I don't think the Seahawks will fall nearly as fast and as hard as the 9ers did in 2016 -- the Hawks have a QB, and even with all that shedding still have pro-bowlers left in Wagner, Wright, Brown, Baldwin and possibly Thomas and Kam too -- but also don't think we should be projecting them to improve on their 9-7 season last year given that they've just shedded a bunch talent from last year and replacing coordinators is almost always a last ditch thing that teams do before acknowledging they've really got to build back up again.

    Like Marv, I'm not rooting for the Hawks to suck or sink as low as the 9ers did (or have -- they still haven't done anything, have a ton of holes, and even as a 9ers fan I'd project them as being on the "upswing" to being around .500 or so), but if forced to bet it's hard to argue that they're going to be better this year than they were last year.

    [don't kill me Hawks fans. :lol: ]
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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:14 pm
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    RCATES wrote:It came really fast didn't it.


    Ehhh, I think the fulcrum of it came really quickly in the 2015 offseason. but the signs were already there.

    As for that offseason, over the span of about six weeks they lost Jim Harbaugh and six pro-bowlers (Willis, Aldon and Justin Smith, Gore, Iupati, and Davis), in addition to another pro-bowler at the start of the year (Vernon Davis).

    While at the time reporters were calling it the worst offseason in NFL history (and it probably was), I think people forget three key things leading up to it:

    1) They had been shedding a ton of starters and quality backups for a few years in a row before that due to the salary cap and other teams poaching their tier 2 guys.

    2) They had drafted really poorly for several years before that so they didn't have much in the way of quality players who could step in.

    3) Even in the season before that offseason when it all fell apart everyone seems to forget that they weren't very good, and went 8-8.


    So here's where I get myself into trouble: Before this offseason #s 1, 2, and 3 are also very descriptive of the Seahawks these last few years

    This offseason instead of replacing their coach they've replaced all their coordinators, and they've also shed at minimum five pro-bowlers (Bennett, Sherman, Graham, Avril, Richardson), and could ultimately shed as many as seven (ET3 and Kam).

    To be clear I don't think the Seahawks will fall nearly as fast and as hard as the 9ers did in 2016 -- the Hawks have a QB, and even with all that shedding still have pro-bowlers left in Wagner, Wright, Brown, Baldwin and possibly Thomas and Kam too -- but also don't think we should be projecting them to improve on their 9-7 season last year given that they've just shedded a bunch talent from last year and replacing coordinators is almost always a last ditch thing that teams do before acknowledging they've really got to build back up again.

    Like Marv, I'm not rooting for the Hawks to suck or sink as low as the 9ers did (or have -- they still haven't done anything, have a ton of holes, and even as a 9ers fan I'd project them as being on the "upswing" to being around .500 or so), but if forced to bet it's hard to argue that they're going to be better this year than they were last year.

    [don't kill me Hawks fans. :lol: ]


    What really hurt the Niners that offseason wasn't just the loss of aging players, it was the loss of YOUNG players. Anthony Davis in his mid 20's up and retires. Chris Borland had a great rookie year and he up and retires in year TWO.

    I'll never forget that offseason. Never seen anything like it.

    I agree...even if the 'hawks lost as many coaches/players, they still have Wilson. a QB covers ALOT of problems. Just look at GB. If you take Rodgers off that team they suck HARD.
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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:21 pm
  • RCATES wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:To be clear...

    You're hoping this blows up on the Hawks so you can be right that "it's over", as reflected in your "this will be fun" and "i'll put $100"

    you are genuinely rooting against the team success at this point

    That's the spirit


    Not at all. I've been a season ticket holder (club level) since 2009. I just see the light and whats happening. Trending in the wrong direction.

    Nothing wrong with holding out hope that this team will still win another championship with this core of players. I just don't see that happening at all.

    Main reason: Russel Wilson
    I just don't like what I see from him at all. Last year just made it even more clear. Considering all the other bad QB's in the league are we lucky to have him? Absolutely. I just don't consider him the type of QB that can win a championship without a lot of help. This is why I don't consider him in the top 5. I'd take Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Wentz, Rivers,Cousins, Stafford, Roethlisberger all over him. He's just too short and struggles to see the field. The style in which he has to play in to make his reads will cause him to have a short career.



    Even if what you say about RW is true, that has no bearing on their decision regarding Sherman.

    Sherman had to go, and EVERY team in the NFL with a functioning brain would have done the same.

    It seems like you are using this situation as an excuse to rail on Russ. I'm not the worlds biggest Wilson fan either, but cmon man, one has nothing to do with the other.
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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:33 pm
  • RCATES wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:To be clear...

    You're hoping this blows up on the Hawks so you can be right that "it's over", as reflected in your "this will be fun" and "i'll put $100"

    you are genuinely rooting against the team success at this point

    That's the spirit


    Not at all. I've been a season ticket holder (club level) since 2009. I just see the light and whats happening. Trending in the wrong direction.

    Nothing wrong with holding out hope that this team will still win another championship with this core of players. I just don't see that happening at all.

    Main reason: Russel Wilson
    I just don't like what I see from him at all. Last year just made it even more clear. Considering all the other bad QB's in the league are we lucky to have him? Absolutely. I just don't consider him the type of QB that can win a championship without a lot of help. This is why I don't consider him in the top 5. I'd take Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Wentz, Rivers,Cousins, Stafford, Roethlisberger all over him. He's just too short and struggles to see the field. The style in which he has to play in to make his reads will cause him to have a short career.


    I think Russell Wilson is a big part of your problem as well, but not for the reason you are quoting.

    The Seahawks were at their best when he was still on his rookie contract. The LOB hadn't yet been paid either. They had tons of cash and incredible young talent.

    When those star defenders and Wilson got paid, it started a chain reaction. If you are that top heavy, you pay for it in other ways. It isn't sustainable. Its why moves like releasing Sherman have to be made. If he can't play like the guy he was, he's got to go in favor of a guy who might or a few guys who can improve.

    You can't be top heavy AND old.

    Bill Walsh used to say he'd rather let a guy go a year too early than a year too late. I think thats what's happening.
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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:48 pm
  • Its comical that people think Russ is the problem. Could he improve on some things? Absolutely.

    But if you take Russ off last years team, we MAYBE win 6 games, and that's with a stacked roster on defense.
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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:36 pm
  • Without Wilson, Seattle would be picking top 5 this year in the draft. I seen damn near every game they played this season and almost every win included a Russell Wilson heroic play.
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Re: Sherman article
Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:53 pm
  • Yep, it's interesting that Niner fans get it more than many Hawks fans, when it's comes to Wilson. By FAR the best QB the team has ever had.
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Re: Sherman article
Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:41 pm
  • Sherman was STILL an elite corner last year. But he had been becoming a locker room cancer for several years.
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Re: Sherman article
Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:12 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:Sherman was STILL an elite corner last year. But he had been becoming a locker room cancer for several years.


    And then had a serious injury
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Sherman article
Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:14 am
  • There’s no doubt the Seahawks front office never asked Sherman to take less money to continue with the Seahawks. The front office knew that he wouldn’t accept that, and then would go to the media stating thier offer was insulting. The Seahawks knew they were in a no win situation and took the least amount of damage by releasing him.


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Re: Sherman article
Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:57 am
  • Nothing is clear, and NO fans are in on what goes on behind closed doors. None of us know.
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Re: Sherman article
Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:27 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Nothing is clear, and NO fans are in on what goes on behind closed doors. None of us know.


    Well when people can pull their heads out of the sand they will see that CLEARLY he is not a Seahawk, the front office made that decision by not working with him enough on negotiations if they really wanted him to be here.

    If they thought he was disposable then it was just a courtesy meeting to say thanks but no thanks.
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Re: Sherman article
Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:58 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:You can't be top heavy AND old.

    Bill Walsh used to say he'd rather let a guy go a year too early than a year too late. I think thats what's happening.


    In Hawks case, Pete is doing it a year too late. Pete should have done what he is doing now a season EARLIER. He should have rid of Cable, Bev, Sherman and company last off season. Would have gotten more picks, more cap room relief.

    So we are doing it a year too late, but still better than not doing it at all.

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Re: Sherman article
Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:18 am
  • There was no way the team could have predicted the Malik stupidity, let alone fluke injuries to Kam and Cliff. NO team can predict that stuff.
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Re: Sherman article
Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:20 pm
  • I disagree....they brought on the Malik stupidity themselves. So many ignored red flags. Not just his character, but that he did not have a motor ....... Worst combine interview ever. I bet you that Pete the ever optimist pushed for this.
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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:47 pm
  • I understand why Sherman did it as a 12.

    SEA released him, after all.

    It'll be cool watching him on local games.
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Re: Sherman article
Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:04 pm
  • Popeye, do you see Sherm as a good trade?

    He's coming off a major injury and is getting older. I don't think he's the player he was in 2013, but yeah, I think he's a player.

    The 49ers FO in particular have a h-on for Seattle. Like when they were losing to some other team, they'd put on the Jumbotron that SEA lost and that would actually gain more reaction than from the game on the field. Jeb's made many dumb decisions.

    Do you think this is one?
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Re: Sherman article
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:05 am
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:Popeye, do you see Sherm as a good trade?

    He's coming off a major injury and is getting older. I don't think he's the player he was in 2013, but yeah, I think he's a player.

    The 49ers FO in particular have a h-on for Seattle. Like when they were losing to some other team, they'd put on the Jumbotron that SEA lost and that would actually gain more reaction than from the game on the field. Jeb's made many dumb decisions.

    Do you think this is one?


    Well it wasn’t a “trade”. The Niners picked him up after Sherm was cut by us.

    But yes it was a good PICK UP by the Niners, Sherm still has plenty in the tank, and they knew he would play with an anger against us, so I would expect him to look and play a lot younger/better this year than his last couple of years.

    We all know how his motivation drives him.
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Re: Sherman article
Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:10 am
  • Yeah, it's somehow their fault he got on an ATV and injured himself :roll:
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