Seahawks.NET AMAZON STOREFRONT

2018 Seattle Mariners regular season thread

Discuss any and all sports-related topics. From the College Sports to Baseball and everything in between. LANGUAGE RATING: PG-13
  • Thepeelsessions wrote:So to make room for Bergman, Goeddel was DFA'd? Are you kidding me? He was quickly becoming a reliable arm in the pen. 1.23 ERA over 7.1 innings while he was here. Yet, Zep, Altavilla, and Nicasio.....NICASIO are still in town. Plus, how is Casey Lawrence still on the 40 man roster. This is ridiculous.


    Yeah that makes no sense. Why is Casey Lawrence still with the team, going against him is like batting practice.

    I asked the question in here earlier, but what are the chances the M's release Felix. Lets say he has a few more rough starts, do they think about it? I doubt he'll ever get sent down to the minors. Obviously Paxton is the #1, but it appears LeBlanc and possibly Bregman might be better than him at this point in their careers. Leake has been a disappointment but I expect him to turn it around.
    User avatar
    Hawk-Lock
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3868
    Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:29 am


  • Crizilla wrote:So Servais doesn't start Beckham today who had 2 hits last night and doesn't start Heredia who had the walk off hit last night. Every damn day the line up is different. I don't get it.

    Another loss on Servais. Freitas lets a strike bounce of his glove which started Texas' 4 run burst. Seager's homer should have tied it at 1-1. Having Freitas be catcher and Zunino DH is dumb. We don't need both them in the line up. Should have had Heredia DH, Zunino at catcher, and Beckham at 2nd.

    M's won't win a lot of games with Zunino, Freitas, and Romine all starting. Those guys just don't get on base, but at least we get a great defensive catcher with Zunino (if he starts).


    Good grief, man. I don’t post much here anymore but what are you going on about? Zunino didn’t catch today because you don’t have him catch an early day game when he just caught a night game (an extra inning game at that). The only reason that he was even in the lineup was because Cruz is hurt. Servais has to make the best of the shit sandwich he’s been dealt. We’re without Cano and Cruz - of course our lineup is going to look different.

    It’s baseball. You lose a lot of games in baseball. Putting this on Servais is silly.

    I love to whine and bitch about the M’s but you’re on a different level.
    User avatar
    Rob12
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2688
    Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:50 am
    Location: Dayton, WA


  • You shouldn't play Zunino at catcher today because he played last night? But he can still DH? Also shouldn't other players have gotten the day off since they played last night as well? It's unusual Servais is alternating between catchers so much, and when he decides to play them both in the same game, he has Freitas playing catcher and Zunino DH. I dont see the logic in that. They paid the price too because Frietas let a good pitch get away from him in the 9th which led to 4 runs by the Rangers. They both aren't great offensively but Zunino is by far better behind the plate.

    Coaching decisions win/lose games all the time. Part of the game. Red Sox blew the 2003 ALCS by leaving Pedro Martinez in too long, Mets blew a WS game few years ago by leaving Matt Harvey in the game, etc.
    Last edited by Crizilla on Wed May 16, 2018 4:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
    ImageImageImageImageImage
    WhyDidntWeRun.jpg
    User avatar
    Crizilla
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2749
    Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:52 pm
    Location: Kirkland


  • Hawk-Lock wrote:I asked the question in here earlier, but what are the chances the M's release Felix. Lets say he has a few more rough starts, do they think about it? I doubt he'll ever get sent down to the minors. Obviously Paxton is the #1, but it appears LeBlanc and possibly Bregman might be better than him at this point in their careers. Leake has been a disappointment but I expect him to turn it around.

    Hard to say. He should've been gone last year, but here we are, enduring the same Felix for the past 3 years. I really hope they do, it would be best for this team. This is a good start, don't let the rotation hold this team back. Dipoto has his work cut out for him. Especially considering he's pretty much dealt away most of the little value the farm system has.

    I'd say cutting ties with Felix would be the first step, and then you go from there. And speaking of Bergman, aside from two bad starts, he was actually real good last year. Take away those two starts, and he had a sub 2 ERA. I thought it was pretty petty how they kicked him to the curb when he was actually one of the better pitchers here last year.
    User avatar
    Thepeelsessions
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1415
    Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:05 am
    Location: Out here


  • Crizilla wrote:You shouldn't play Zunino at catcher today because he played last night? But he can still DH? Also shouldn't other players have gotten the day off since they played last night as well? It's unusual Servais is alternating between catchers so much, and when he decides to play them both in the same game, he has Freitas playing catcher and Zunino DH. I dont see the logic in that. They paid the price too because Frietas let a good pitch get away from him in the 9th which led to 4 runs by the Rangers. They both aren't great offensively but Zunino is by far better behind the plate.

    Coaching decisions win/lose games all the time. Part of the game. Red Sox blew the 2003 ALCS by leaving Pedro Martinez in too long, Mets blew a WS game few years ago by leaving Matt Harvey in the game, etc.



    Playing catcher is way different than playing DH or in the field. Catchers need days off after squatting for 9 (or 11) innings several days in a row. Catchers need more days off than other players.

    Zunino was given a day off on the 4th and sat for 1 game of the double header and then DH'd today. Other than that he"s caught every game this month. Thats absolutely normal for catchers.
    User avatar
    XxXdragonXxX
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2032
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:40 am
    Location: Enumclaw, WA


  • Servais is HORRID at dealing with pitchers. Geezus
    R.I.P. THE EDGAR, YOU WILL BE MISSED......
    User avatar
    SoulfishHawk
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10025
    Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:59 am
    Location: Sammamish, WA


  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Servais is HORRID at dealing with pitchers. Geezus



    Not really. Ppl love to blame servais for everything. Im sorry you cant rely on the pitchers you trust to do their job.

    Start blaming the players for not doing their job.

    Start blaming jerry for not getting real pitcher's.

    Has scott screwed up at times? Yep. However most the time its on the players to hold down the fort.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • Yes, really. He leaves guys in WAY too long as they are getting toasted. He continues to go to his "set up guy" who can't get anyone out. Nicasio has blown numerous games. He has no ability to know when to get a guy out of there.
    Obviously the pitchers need to do their jobs. But, it's Manager's JOB to know when a guy just isn't on.
    R.I.P. THE EDGAR, YOU WILL BE MISSED......
    User avatar
    SoulfishHawk
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10025
    Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:59 am
    Location: Sammamish, WA


  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Servais is HORRID at dealing with pitchers. Geezus



    Not really. Ppl love to blame servais for everything. Im sorry you cant rely on the pitchers you trust to do their job.

    Start blaming the players for not doing their job.

    Start blaming jerry for not getting real pitcher's.

    Has scott screwed up at times? Yep. However most the time its on the players to hold down the fort.


    I’m sorry but this is generally ridiculous imo..

    Players can only do their best according to their own abilities. That’s why there’s a such thing as stats and stats analysis, to determine who to have on your team and in what situation to use them. Generally if players fail in certain circumstances, especially when there’s a clear pattern that can be observed, that’s on the management not the players.

    Like yelling at a bucket with a hole in the bottom for not holding water.. that’s not at the bucket but on the person who faslsely believes that bucket will hold water and tries to use it for that purpose.
    User avatar
    therealjohncarlson
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3975
    Joined: Sun May 10, 2009 2:09 pm


  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Servais is HORRID at dealing with pitchers. Geezus



    Not really. Ppl love to blame servais for everything. Im sorry you cant rely on the pitchers you trust to do their job.

    Start blaming the players for not doing their job.

    Start blaming jerry for not getting real pitcher's.

    Has scott screwed up at times? Yep. However most the time its on the players to hold down the fort.


    I’m sorry but this is generally ridiculous imo..

    Players can only do their best according to their own abilities. That’s why there’s a such thing as stats and stats analysis, to determine who to have on your team and in what situation to use them. Generally if players fail in certain circumstances, especially when there’s a clear pattern that can be observed, that’s on the management not the players.

    Like yelling at a bucket with a hole in the bottom for not holding water.. that’s not at the bucket but on the person who faslsely believes that bucket will hold water and tries to use it for that purpose.



    I know you cant trust a reliever with a 1.13era. Or the closer with a sub 2 era. It's the manager who blew the game. You also have to use what your given. I agree with likes of Nicasio as of late but you must work him through it. You paid him to do it. So yes i agree move Nicasio to the 7th inning or 6th inning to see through it.

    They are trying Nick Vincent in the 8th and i dont trust him at all. Dude has a great era but in high leverage moments he has a +4.50 era. Servais ran out Pazos in the 8th in the game last night with a 1.13 era. He blew it. So he pulled him and Vincent blew it completely.

    So, is this the managers fault still? I mean he ran out Pazos with a 1.13 era. He didnt have it so he put nick in. The game before he put the all star closer in and he blew it.

    Im sorry that isnt on Scott. I will agree its on scott if he forces Nicasio out there in the 8th unless he has figured it out.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Servais is HORRID at dealing with pitchers. Geezus



    Not really. Ppl love to blame servais for everything. Im sorry you cant rely on the pitchers you trust to do their job.

    Start blaming the players for not doing their job.

    Start blaming jerry for not getting real pitcher's.

    Has scott screwed up at times? Yep. However most the time its on the players to hold down the fort.


    I’m sorry but this is generally ridiculous imo..

    Players can only do their best according to their own abilities. That’s why there’s a such thing as stats and stats analysis, to determine who to have on your team and in what situation to use them. Generally if players fail in certain circumstances, especially when there’s a clear pattern that can be observed, that’s on the management not the players.

    Like yelling at a bucket with a hole in the bottom for not holding water.. that’s not at the bucket but on the person who faslsely believes that bucket will hold water and tries to use it for that purpose.


    Lastly for a career Nicasio has been a stud 8th inning guy. So by stats and stats analysis, he is the guy you rely on. People blow games and you have to rely on them again. Nicasio has stunk too many times in a row and thats why he ran out pazos and nick who blew it.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • Rumor is Ms are interested in trading for Adam Jones. Idk how true it is or how strong it is. Ive just been hearing it.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • We called up Ryan Cook today who hasn't played in the MLB for the past couple years because of injuries. Curious to see what he can do, I heard he was hitting upper 90's in Tacoma.

    We can't afford to lose two series to a weak Tigers team. Also heard that Cruz should be back tomorrow.
    User avatar
    Hawk-Lock
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3868
    Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:29 am


  • M's struck out 14 times, Tigers struck out 4 times. What happened to working the count?
    ImageImageImageImageImage
    WhyDidntWeRun.jpg
    User avatar
    Crizilla
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2749
    Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:52 pm
    Location: Kirkland


  • Nick Vincent is a bum in high leverage moments.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • Heard Cook looked very good..Why does the 8th have to be so hard?Man...
    Will Dissly
    2018 Adopt a rookie
    User avatar
    IndyHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3978
    Joined: Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:42 pm


  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:Nick Vincent is a bum in high leverage moments.

    Problem is this team has 3 “mop up men” in the bullpen which by my definition is they shouldn’t be in the game unless your team is up or down by 6 runs, and even then have a short leash.

    Nicasio, Lawrence, and Vincent Are the 3 mop up men. A bullpen can survive one “mop up man”, 3? Nope!

    This team would be in first place currently (despite the injuries, suspension) if they had a manager that realized the strengths and weaknesses of the talent of each pitcher in the bullpen vs his wishful thinking. Instead we get the conventional BS... “we have to get these guys confidence back by pitching in close games” which they then choke yet again.

    These 3 should be sent down, let em get their confidence back in triple A.

    The players are responsible for their own bad play, the manager is responsible for putting players that continually fail in situations where they fail again that costs your team ball games.


    Also Diaz needs a viable 3rd pitch, which should have been mastered during the off-season. Good teams and good hitters have learned when he gets a little wild to “take a way a pitch” and sit on one pitch.
    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!

    May the spirit of our friend The Radish live on forever!

    I SO do not care about your fantasy team and who's on it!
    Sports Hernia
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23657
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: The pit


  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:Nick Vincent is a bum in high leverage moments.

    Problem is this team has 3 “mop up men” in the bullpen which by my definition is they shouldn’t be in the game unless your team is up or down by 6 runs, and even then have a short leash.

    Nicasio, Lawrence, and Vincent Are the 3 mop up men. A bullpen can survive one “mop up man”, 3? Nope!

    This team would be in first place currently (despite the injuries, suspension) if they had a manager that realized the strengths and weaknesses of the talent of each pitcher in the bullpen vs his wishful thinking. Instead we get the conventional BS... “we have to get these guys confidence back by pitching in close games” which they then choke yet again.

    These 3 should be sent down, let em get their confidence back in triple A.

    The players are responsible for their own bad play, the manager is responsible for putting players that continually fail in situations where they fail again that costs your team ball games.


    Also Diaz needs a viable 3rd pitch, which should have been mastered during the off-season. Good teams and good hitters have learned when he gets a little wild to “take a way a pitch” and sit on one pitch.

    Agreed. What's frustrating is Vincent was arguably the beat reliever on this team last year. He was automatic. His struggles are infuriating. Lawrence has been back in Tacoma for about 3 weeks now. He shouldn't even be on the 40 man roster.

    And Diaz would really benefit from a 3rd pitch. Hitters kinda know what to expect from him. I was hoping we'd see one this year, but whatever. He's still good, but can struggle at times. I don't think he's as good as some portray him to be.
    User avatar
    Thepeelsessions
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1415
    Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:05 am
    Location: Out here


  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:Nick Vincent is a bum in high leverage moments.

    Problem is this team has 3 “mop up men” in the bullpen which by my definition is they shouldn’t be in the game unless your team is up or down by 6 runs, and even then have a short leash.

    Nicasio, Lawrence, and Vincent Are the 3 mop up men. A bullpen can survive one “mop up man”, 3? Nope!

    This team would be in first place currently (despite the injuries, suspension) if they had a manager that realized the strengths and weaknesses of the talent of each pitcher in the bullpen vs his wishful thinking. Instead we get the conventional BS... “we have to get these guys confidence back by pitching in close games” which they then choke yet again.

    These 3 should be sent down, let em get their confidence back in triple A.

    The players are responsible for their own bad play, the manager is responsible for putting players that continually fail in situations where they fail again that costs your team ball games.


    Also Diaz needs a viable 3rd pitch, which should have been mastered during the off-season. Good teams and good hitters have learned when he gets a little wild to “take a way a pitch” and sit on one pitch.


    Soo its the managers fault that he has crappy pitchers and the pitchers the GM bought suck?

    If you send those 3 down, you must find 3 to take their place. You cant rely on only 2-3 pitchers. We def need more pitching. The good thing is we are .5 game out of the wc.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • Thepeelsessions wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:Nick Vincent is a bum in high leverage moments.

    Problem is this team has 3 “mop up men” in the bullpen which by my definition is they shouldn’t be in the game unless your team is up or down by 6 runs, and even then have a short leash.

    Nicasio, Lawrence, and Vincent Are the 3 mop up men. A bullpen can survive one “mop up man”, 3? Nope!

    This team would be in first place currently (despite the injuries, suspension) if they had a manager that realized the strengths and weaknesses of the talent of each pitcher in the bullpen vs his wishful thinking. Instead we get the conventional BS... “we have to get these guys confidence back by pitching in close games” which they then choke yet again.

    These 3 should be sent down, let em get their confidence back in triple A.

    The players are responsible for their own bad play, the manager is responsible for putting players that continually fail in situations where they fail again that costs your team ball games.


    Also Diaz needs a viable 3rd pitch, which should have been mastered during the off-season. Good teams and good hitters have learned when he gets a little wild to “take a way a pitch” and sit on one pitch.

    Agreed. What's frustrating is Vincent was arguably the beat reliever on this team last year. He was automatic. His struggles are infuriating. Lawrence has been back in Tacoma for about 3 weeks now. He shouldn't even be on the 40 man roster.

    And Diaz would really benefit from a 3rd pitch. Hitters kinda know what to expect from him. I was hoping we'd see one this year, but whatever. He's still good, but can struggle at times. I don't think he's as good as some portray him to be.



    Vincent has never been good in high leverage moments such as the 8th inning. His era balloons from career 3 era to 4.50+.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:Nick Vincent is a bum in high leverage moments.

    Problem is this team has 3 “mop up men” in the bullpen which by my definition is they shouldn’t be in the game unless your team is up or down by 6 runs, and even then have a short leash.

    Nicasio, Lawrence, and Vincent Are the 3 mop up men. A bullpen can survive one “mop up man”, 3? Nope!

    This team would be in first place currently (despite the injuries, suspension) if they had a manager that realized the strengths and weaknesses of the talent of each pitcher in the bullpen vs his wishful thinking. Instead we get the conventional BS... “we have to get these guys confidence back by pitching in close games” which they then choke yet again.

    These 3 should be sent down, let em get their confidence back in triple A.

    The players are responsible for their own bad play, the manager is responsible for putting players that continually fail in situations where they fail again that costs your team ball games.


    Also Diaz needs a viable 3rd pitch, which should have been mastered during the off-season. Good teams and good hitters have learned when he gets a little wild to “take a way a pitch” and sit on one pitch.


    Soo its the managers fault that he has crappy pitchers and the pitchers the GM bought suck?

    If you send those 3 down, you must find 3 to take their place. You cant rely on only 2-3 pitchers. We def need more pitching. The good thing is we are .5 game out of the wc.

    If that’s what you got out of my post you may want to go re-read it.
    It’s the manager’s fault when he puts his struggling and bad pitchers in the game in crucial situations.
    The definition of insanity is when you keep doing the same things and expect different results.
    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!

    May the spirit of our friend The Radish live on forever!

    I SO do not care about your fantasy team and who's on it!
    Sports Hernia
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23657
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: The pit


  • Looks like bad Felix showed up. Down 3-0 in the first.
    When your fastball and offspeed pitches are the same speed MLB hitters are going to light you up.
    Not enough differential in speeds.
    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!

    May the spirit of our friend The Radish live on forever!

    I SO do not care about your fantasy team and who's on it!
    Sports Hernia
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23657
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: The pit


  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:
    Thepeelsessions wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:Nick Vincent is a bum in high leverage moments.

    Problem is this team has 3 “mop up men” in the bullpen which by my definition is they shouldn’t be in the game unless your team is up or down by 6 runs, and even then have a short leash.

    Nicasio, Lawrence, and Vincent Are the 3 mop up men. A bullpen can survive one “mop up man”, 3? Nope!

    This team would be in first place currently (despite the injuries, suspension) if they had a manager that realized the strengths and weaknesses of the talent of each pitcher in the bullpen vs his wishful thinking. Instead we get the conventional BS... “we have to get these guys confidence back by pitching in close games” which they then choke yet again.

    These 3 should be sent down, let em get their confidence back in triple A.

    The players are responsible for their own bad play, the manager is responsible for putting players that continually fail in situations where they fail again that costs your team ball games.


    Also Diaz needs a viable 3rd pitch, which should have been mastered during the off-season. Good teams and good hitters have learned when he gets a little wild to “take a way a pitch” and sit on one pitch.

    Agreed. What's frustrating is Vincent was arguably the beat reliever on this team last year. He was automatic. His struggles are infuriating. Lawrence has been back in Tacoma for about 3 weeks now. He shouldn't even be on the 40 man roster.

    And Diaz would really benefit from a 3rd pitch. Hitters kinda know what to expect from him. I was hoping we'd see one this year, but whatever. He's still good, but can struggle at times. I don't think he's as good as some portray him to be.



    Vincent has never been good in high leverage moments such as the 8th inning. His era balloons from career 3 era to 4.50+.

    So why does he keep getting put into those situations and by whom???
    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!

    May the spirit of our friend The Radish live on forever!

    I SO do not care about your fantasy team and who's on it!
    Sports Hernia
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23657
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: The pit


  • Sports Hernia wrote:Looks like bad Felix showed up. Down 3-0 in the first.
    When your fastball and offspeed pitches are the same speed MLB hitters are going to light you up.
    Not enough differential in speeds.

    Can we start over?
    Touchdooooooown SEAHAWKS!!!!
    User avatar
    Seahaaaawks
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1143
    Joined: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:33 am
    Location: Redmond Washington


  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:
    Thepeelsessions wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:Nick Vincent is a bum in high leverage moments.

    Problem is this team has 3 “mop up men” in the bullpen which by my definition is they shouldn’t be in the game unless your team is up or down by 6 runs, and even then have a short leash.

    Nicasio, Lawrence, and Vincent Are the 3 mop up men. A bullpen can survive one “mop up man”, 3? Nope!

    This team would be in first place currently (despite the injuries, suspension) if they had a manager that realized the strengths and weaknesses of the talent of each pitcher in the bullpen vs his wishful thinking. Instead we get the conventional BS... “we have to get these guys confidence back by pitching in close games” which they then choke yet again.

    These 3 should be sent down, let em get their confidence back in triple A.

    The players are responsible for their own bad play, the manager is responsible for putting players that continually fail in situations where they fail again that costs your team ball games.


    Also Diaz needs a viable 3rd pitch, which should have been mastered during the off-season. Good teams and good hitters have learned when he gets a little wild to “take a way a pitch” and sit on one pitch.

    Agreed. What's frustrating is Vincent was arguably the beat reliever on this team last year. He was automatic. His struggles are infuriating. Lawrence has been back in Tacoma for about 3 weeks now. He shouldn't even be on the 40 man roster.

    And Diaz would really benefit from a 3rd pitch. Hitters kinda know what to expect from him. I was hoping we'd see one this year, but whatever. He's still good, but can struggle at times. I don't think he's as good as some portray him to be.



    Vincent has never been good in high leverage moments such as the 8th inning. His era balloons from career 3 era to 4.50+.

    Did I say anything about Vincent in high leverage situations? No. I said he was arguably the best reliever in the team last year.
    User avatar
    Thepeelsessions
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1415
    Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:05 am
    Location: Out here


  • Sports Hernia wrote:Looks like bad Felix showed up. Down 3-0 in the first.
    When your fastball and offspeed pitches are the same speed MLB hitters are going to light you up.
    Not enough differential in speeds.

    Damn. It's been so painfully obvious the last few years with Felix. There's no reasoning with this front office clinging to some hope they will never be there regarding Felix. None. He's done. Time to move on. He will not help you win. Cut him and be done with it already, my God. Leake is a better option in the rotation, and that's saying a lot.
    User avatar
    Thepeelsessions
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1415
    Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:05 am
    Location: Out here


  • At what point will they just move on from Felix? Is Felix really one of the five best starting pitchers on this staff? Marco has really settled down, I like what I see from him. Leake should get better. LeBlanc has been outstanding so far and I always liked Bergman for what he is. Still got Miranda and Erasamo as well. Our pitching staff will absolutely fall apart if Paxton gets hurt.

    I still laugh that this franchise does the Kings Court. Felix is one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball, yet the franchise pretends like he is the same pitcher from a few years ago.
    User avatar
    Hawk-Lock
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3868
    Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:29 am


  • Give it up on Felix.. the guy is pitching till he says he's done..besides, it really shows you the lack of depth in out starting rotation.,
    User avatar
    Bobblehead
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2337
    Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:52 am


  • Felix pitched great opening night. I think a better pitching coach would help. Right now though he's leaving too many pitches hanging in the sweet spot of the strike zone and of course his fast ball isn't as fast.

    I've given up on Erasmo Rameriz.
    ImageImageImageImageImage
    WhyDidntWeRun.jpg
    User avatar
    Crizilla
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2749
    Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:52 pm
    Location: Kirkland


  • Thepeelsessions wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:
    Thepeelsessions wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Problem is this team has 3 “mop up men” in the bullpen which by my definition is they shouldn’t be in the game unless your team is up or down by 6 runs, and even then have a short leash.

    Nicasio, Lawrence, and Vincent Are the 3 mop up men. A bullpen can survive one “mop up man”, 3? Nope!

    This team would be in first place currently (despite the injuries, suspension) if they had a manager that realized the strengths and weaknesses of the talent of each pitcher in the bullpen vs his wishful thinking. Instead we get the conventional BS... “we have to get these guys confidence back by pitching in close games” which they then choke yet again.

    These 3 should be sent down, let em get their confidence back in triple A.

    The players are responsible for their own bad play, the manager is responsible for putting players that continually fail in situations where they fail again that costs your team ball games.


    Also Diaz needs a viable 3rd pitch, which should have been mastered during the off-season. Good teams and good hitters have learned when he gets a little wild to “take a way a pitch” and sit on one pitch.

    Agreed. What's frustrating is Vincent was arguably the beat reliever on this team last year. He was automatic. His struggles are infuriating. Lawrence has been back in Tacoma for about 3 weeks now. He shouldn't even be on the 40 man roster.

    And Diaz would really benefit from a 3rd pitch. Hitters kinda know what to expect from him. I was hoping we'd see one this year, but whatever. He's still good, but can struggle at times. I don't think he's as good as some portray him to be.



    Vincent has never been good in high leverage moments such as the 8th inning. His era balloons from career 3 era to 4.50+.

    Did I say anything about Vincent in high leverage situations? No. I said he was arguably the best reliever in the team last year.


    Nope you didnt. I was just adding on to it.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • Great comeback in. The mariners with all the bs lately are in the 2nd WC spot.

    We need to make moves tho.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • Bobblehead wrote:Give it up on Felix.. the guy is pitching till he says he's done..besides, it really shows you the lack of depth in out starting rotation.,


    hes fine for a backend rotation spot

    6 innings, 3ERs is 3 outs from a QS and leaves the bullpen needing 9 outs. jarring giving them up all at once, but Felix as always been prone to a bad inning, especially early.

    team needs to make a move, probably two. But Felix should be part of the rotation come september
    User avatar
    Uncle Si
    * NET Hottie *
     
    Posts: 13554
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:34 am


  • Nice win last night. Looked bad for a while, but after the first, they held them to 1 unearned run the rest of the way.

    Felix? Hmmm, I'm not totally sold that he's done. He does need to adapt to the new Felix, throwing more junk because yeah, his heater is gone.

    As for the bullpen? It's been overused in the past week. Double-header Saturday, day game Sunday adds up to 3 games in about 36 hours. Then travel to Minnie for a makeup game that was delayed for an hour and a half by more rain. Fly back to Seattle in the wee hours of the morning and play an 11 inning game Tuesday night, followed by a day game Wednesday. That's why they were tired.

    Nicasio and Electric Eddy did fine last night. Felix stretched it to 6 innings, letting the bullpen get a night off, mostly. That's a good thing.

    I still worry about the bats going cold, seems to happen all too often. Dee Gordon does us no good if he keeps flailing at bad pitches. At least he got the sac fly late in the game last night. He needs to learn how to take bad pitches and walk once in a while. His job is to get on base. Even Ichiro learned to do that. Z has been reaching for those pitches off the plate again. At least Segura is still going strong, especially with his RISP numbers.

    It's Mid-May and we're still in the hunt. Most years lately we'd be fighting the Texans for the cellar this late in the season. I'll take it. ;)
    Talent can get you to the playoffs.
    It takes character to win when you get there.

    SUPER BOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS
    User avatar
    sutz
    USMC 1970-77
     
    Posts: 15211
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:41 am
    Location: Kent, WA


  • Yeah I have to give props to Felix for settling down. It seems like Felix has really struggled in the first couple innings.

    Nice to see Nicasio hold down the eighth inning.

    And I agree that the fact Felix still has a spot in the rotation is more of a reflection of how weak our pitching staff is.
    User avatar
    Hawk-Lock
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3868
    Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:29 am


  • Felix needs to be moved to the back of the rotation. If that pisses him off, good!
    He’s still trying to pitch like he throws 98mph. His fastball was topping out at 89-90mph last night.

    He needs to pitch “backwards” which he has only done once or twice this season and has success then he reverts back to his old ways and gets lit up. He needs to go to the Jamie Moyer school of pitching, slow, slower, slowest.

    His fastball is below average and extremely hitable. A lot of his offspeed stuff are still plus pitches, but hitters are waiting on that batting practice fastball. The book is out on how to beat the old Felix, he needs to create the “New Felix”.
    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!

    May the spirit of our friend The Radish live on forever!

    I SO do not care about your fantasy team and who's on it!
    Sports Hernia
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23657
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: The pit


  • Sports Hernia wrote:Felix needs to be moved to the back of the rotation. If that pisses him off, good!
    He’s still trying to pitch like he throws 98mph. His fastball was topping out at 89-90mph last night.

    He needs to pitch “backwards” which he has only done once or twice this season and has success then he reverts back to his old ways and gets lit up. He needs to go to the Jamie Moyer school of pitching, slow, slower, slowest.

    His fastball is below average and extremely hitable. A lot of his offspeed stuff are still plus pitches, but hitters are waiting on that batting practice fastball. The book is out on how to beat the old Felix, he needs to create the “New Felix”.


    I agree with you but it won’t happen with Felix. He just doesn’t have the mental makeup and savvy that Moyer had. Moyer outsmarted his opponents, Felix doesn’t do that. Felix is more Randy Johnson like in that sense.
    User avatar
    hawkfan68
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 7265
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:10 am
    Location: Sammamish, WA



  • Another great outing by Pax. CG/117 chucks, 3 runs 8 or 9 K's. A night off for the pen.

    Offense was right on, scoring early then padding the lead with 4 in the 6th.

    I think this is what DiPoto was aiming for when he put this team together.
    Talent can get you to the playoffs.
    It takes character to win when you get there.

    SUPER BOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS
    User avatar
    sutz
    USMC 1970-77
     
    Posts: 15211
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:41 am
    Location: Kent, WA


  • Mariners win again. Great job by Paxton! 1.5 lead over angels in wc.
    Shanegotyou11
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1283
    Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:08 pm


  • Nothing potentially tragic happened to the M's.......Crizilla is nowhere to be found. Mysterious.
    TransGenderHawkFan
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 351
    Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:05 am


  • Nice lineup today Servais... don’t recognize 3 starters. Great job sitting Heredia again.
    Touchdooooooown SEAHAWKS!!!!
    User avatar
    Seahaaaawks
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1143
    Joined: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:33 am
    Location: Redmond Washington


  • And punch hit with Zunino batting .200..... great logic.

    HANIGER YOU WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING!!!!!! That a kid!
    Touchdooooooown SEAHAWKS!!!!
    User avatar
    Seahaaaawks
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1143
    Joined: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:33 am
    Location: Redmond Washington


  • Seahaaaawks wrote:And punch hit with Zunino batting .200..... great logic.

    HANIGER YOU WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING!!!!!! That a kid!

    I see the M's found a way and that is what it takes sometimes.
    As ugly the wins may be.
    Will Dissly
    2018 Adopt a rookie
    User avatar
    IndyHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3978
    Joined: Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:42 pm


  • Hanny and Segura bailing out a bad line up. Dipoto > Servais.
    ImageImageImageImageImage
    WhyDidntWeRun.jpg
    User avatar
    Crizilla
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2749
    Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:52 pm
    Location: Kirkland


  • Another nice come from behind win. LeBlanc is just what this rotation needed.

    The schedule is extremely favorable up until our series at Houston in the beginning of June. We need to beat the bad teams now because the schedule looks really tough in June.

    I think we will find out just how good this team is by the end of June. We got two series with Boston and then series with the Astros, Angels and Yankees.

    I still don't think we can make the playoffs with our current rotation, but still plenty of time for us to make a move. There will be plenty of weak teams looking to trade a starting pitcher at the deadline. Could you imagine if we traded for Verlander last season? I don't think anyone thought he would turn his career around this much, he is basically the best pitcher in baseball once again.
    User avatar
    Hawk-Lock
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3868
    Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:29 am


  • Crizilla wrote:Hanny and Segura bailing out a bad line up. Dipoto > Servais.

    Those 2 came in the trade for T. Walker. I think Dipoto won that trade biggly. :)
    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!

    May the spirit of our friend The Radish live on forever!

    I SO do not care about your fantasy team and who's on it!
    Sports Hernia
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23657
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: The pit


  • Crizilla wrote:Hanny and Segura bailing out a bad line up. Dipoto > Servais.


    That shitty manager has the Mariners 1.5 games out of first in the West and 1.5 games clear in the wildcard.
    TransGenderHawkFan
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 351
    Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:05 am


  • Well, we've had a pretty mild stretch of opponents and will continue for the next 13 games, Min, Tex, Oak and Tampa, before the biggies show up. Be good to go at least 9 and 4, which would put us at about 36 - 23. Be sweet if we could.
    User avatar
    Bobblehead
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2337
    Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:52 am


  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:Hanny and Segura bailing out a bad line up. Dipoto > Servais.


    That shitty manager has the Mariners 1.5 games out of first in the West and 1.5 games clear in the wildcard.


    I never said he was "shitty". At times I criticize his decisions. Big whoop. Every day people get judged on their job. Guess we just have to wait and see what happens at the end. But from what I've seen so far I'd say Servais is on par with McLendon.
    ImageImageImageImageImage
    WhyDidntWeRun.jpg
    User avatar
    Crizilla
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2749
    Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:52 pm
    Location: Kirkland


  • He's a young skipper, I remember we had one before, canned his ass and he ultimately became a pretty decent skipper, Bob Melvin.
    User avatar
    Bobblehead
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2337
    Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:52 am


PreviousNext


It is currently Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:19 pm

Please REGISTER to become a member

Return to [ THE SPORTS BAR ]




Information
  • Who is online
  • Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 31 guests