We Were All Wrong

[Maelstrom787]

All facts.

So now Pete better make NFC Title game if he is a good coach? Lol

Exactly. He can't even keep his BS straight. Pete is the worst drafter of all time and completely wastes every single FA period, yet somehow has a team that should be in the NFCCG or else he's bad?

His complaints are completely contradictory, in several different ways. He's absolutely flailing.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Exactly. He can't even keep his BS straight. Pete is the worst drafter of all time and completely wastes every single FA period, yet somehow has a team that should be in the NFCCG or else he's bad?

His complaints are completely contradictory, in several different ways. He's absolutely flailing.

100%. Pete is his fall guy. They won despite him. If they lose it is all on Pete. Tiring for sure.

 

[oldhawkfan]

I didn't give a wins prediction. At least I don't think I did. The reason I didn't is because going into this season, there was way too much uncertainty about way too many positions. Rebuild year? Sure seemed like it to me. If I had made a prediction, it would have been somewhere between 4-10 games. Thats a wide range for a prediction. Which is exactly why I don't think I did.

I was thinking 4 or the low end because of no 3, no 54, uncertainty at CB, OL questions, lots of contributing rookies, etc. I was thinking higher end (10) because of Pete. His teams have traditionally for the most part started the season out slow and then gelled near the end of the season. Pete takes the first few games of the season as an extended preseason of sorts. More so than most other coaches. He uses that early season schedule to find the right mix of players, how they work together and how they play.

Who would have predicted that this rookie class would be this good this early? Who would have predicted that 7 would be playing the best football of his life?

This season had lots of question marks heading into it. Most have been answered. There is now a new question that looms larger than the rest. Can they sustain this and get better? Time will tell.

 

[Lagartixa]

You can't even type out an "I was wrong" apology thread without taking a shot.

It's OK Fade, you're slowly getting there. I have faith.

Pete believed in Geno when no one else did. Pete knew Russell was an albatross around the organization's neck and he had to go. Pete helped hit on the greatest draft class since 2012. Pete turned this defense around in two weeks. Pete's already created a winner that the entire league and media thought was the 31st or 32nd worst team.

Pete.

I agree with you, Sarge, but I've got one nitpick: the 31st or 32nd-worst team would be either the second-best or best team in the league.
I think you meant 31st or 32nd-best.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This season had lots of question marks heading into it. Most have been answered. There is now a new question that looms larger than the rest. Can they sustain this and get better? Time will tell.

Heck, they don't even need to get better, just sustain the high level of play we've seen the past two weeks and this team should be in the mix for at least a WC spot.

Health will be the barometer IMO the rest of the season. This team is still REALLY thin in some very key position groups (D-line, RB, guard, LB).

 

[toffee]

I'm high on this team making the playoffs, but NFCCG or Bust is just another unrealistic benchmark that Fade is setting to come back to later.

Well, setting the bar at NFCCG or bust yields good odds that Hawks won't get there, therefore, it's Pete's fault that we, this time, under performed. It's call setting something up for failure.

It's like saying a highschool kid is definitely a Harvard material, seeing that Harvard has an acceptance rate around 6%, there are 94% chance the kid won't make it.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

I had 'em at 5 wins (so did Vegas), pessimists had 'em at 3 wins, most were lukewarm predicting 6-7 wins. The forever koolaid drinking, unrealistically optimistic, believers had 'em at 9-11 wins.

This is a 12 win team. Please, raise your hand and take a bow if you had them at 12 wins.

The Seahawks under the great Shane Waldron feature the #1 scoring offense in the NFC. That is with the offense being held back at times early in the season by an overly conservative head coach, due to starting 2 Rookie OTs, and Against AZ, Pete shutdown the offense - playing Pete Ball for the majority of the game. But not against the Chargers, he unleashed MVP candidate Geno Smith even after DK left the game with an injury. They kept their foot on the gas as Geno unfurled an up the sideline go ball to his main squeeze, Marquise Goodwin.

On defense they were historically bad, but all they needed to do was get the defense to an average level and they could win the division in a down year with their amazing offense. Welp... they trash canned the defense they started the year with, and have played at a well above average level the last 2 games, going back to a defense that better fits their personnel.

It's cool to see, they've fixed the things that they needed to fix that were obvious.
Ultimately, I can't get fully on board though. Pete is going to squander it. I've seen him under perform too many times and do less with more throughout the years. This is a team with the right coach that should make the Super Bowl in a down NFC, NFCCG minimum. However, Pete will find a way to lose in the WC or Division round. It is his shtick at this point.

Pete must make the NFCCG. There is no excuse why he can't. Who is good in the NFC? The Buccs, Rams, 49ers, & Packers were supposed to be the contenders in the conference. They stink. The Eagles are good, that's it, good. The Cowboys are legit on defense, but Dak and their O leave a lot to be desired. The Vikings? Ha-ha, Kirk Cousins... Ha-ha-ha! The Giants have only 1 loss on the year, but they are going to get destroyed by the Seahawks next week.

If Pete is half as good as people on here claim he is, there is no reason for him not to make the NFCCG.
What teams in the NFC is Seattle incapable of beating?

Well, I am impressed that you admitted you were wrong!

I believe your wrong about Pete as this was supposed to be a rebuilding year and IMO because of great coaching and a great draft Pete has made this team into something potentially special. Not sure why your so down on Pete but whatever.

 

[Fade]

Maybe we were all wrong, but you continued to double down longer than anybody else, and continue to slate the coach despite the fact that (in your own words) PETE CARROLL has once again built a championship winning team, when everybody else said it wasn't possible and this was a "rebuilding" year. Something that we have never done under PETE CARROLL. Would another coach be playing 2 rookie linemen, 2 rookie corners, a rookie running back, a rookie OLB? Would another coach have put his faith in Geno Smith like PETE CARROLL did, or would we have traded away as many wanted us to for Baker, Jimmy G?
When we win another Superbowl under PETE CARROLL, you will still find a way to complain about something, I'm sure of it. But we are here because of him, our most successful coach ever, and when he leaves, maybe finally you'll appreciate what we have had for the last 12 years.

No. Pete has to earn it by finishing this year strong. The NFC has never been worse, he can't have another early exit.

If he does that, I will give him all the credit.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

It's extremely clear that nobody amongst us predicted this. At least nobody I can recall. Geno Smith? L-freaking-O-L. That hack?

I openly admit I wanted Lock, period. Younger, more potential upside, etc, etc.

I thought we were accepting our fate. Some 3, 4, maybe 6 win team and cling to hope that the Broncos picks would help us land the franchise QB of our future.

If any one of us can honestly say they thought Geno Smith just might be our future franchise QB then you deserve a raise, a gold star and an evening out with a serious hottie.

I am aghast at what I am witnessing on gameday. Who IS this exciting, perplexing, formidable team?

Scoring over 30 points seems to be on the regular. Geno looks like he's been playing like this for years. Polished. Poised in the pocket. No happy feet. Deadly accurate arm and range. Reads and checks are like butter. Who the F is this guy?!?

I am happy to report I know nothing. Apparently all I thought I knew was a fraud.

In the best of ways.

Thats not true I predicted this even though I am a nobody on this board . I see that most of the pieces are in place on the O anyway, this team looks like the first year of the LOB. Next year is going to be the bust-out year to where this team is going to be unstoppable... watch out

 

[Maelstrom787]

No. Pete has to earn it by finishing this year strong. The NFC has never been worse, he can't have another early exit.

If he does that, I will give him all the credit.

You can't even give him credit for leading the division halfway through the year when you claimed his ceiling was 5 wins lmao

No one believes you. Credit whoever you want - the credit is pretty low value, at this point. Clear agenda at play.

 

[TwilightError]

King Geno!

 

[toffee]

You can't even give him credit for leading the division halfway through the year when you claimed his ceiling was 5 wins lmao

No one believes you

lol, read my previous post on this strategy

 

[Maelstrom787]

lol, read my previous post on this strategy

Tale as old as time

 

[Fade]

We may have all been wrong, but you were the most wrong. Like, pants-on-head running-around-in-circles wrong.

You were coming at people predicting a near-500 season and acting like they were the irrational ones, and you absolutely deserve this blowing up in your face regardless of how hard you try to pivot to the other side.

Your expectations have, yet again, been smashed by a Pete Carroll squad and now you're moving the goalposts to NFCCG appearance in a year where you insulted people who predicted over 5 wins. Get over yourself.

Yes, we were all wrong. No one had Geno as a top 5 QB, leading the #1 scoring offense in the NFC, while winning the Division over the 49ers, and Rams. I know you didn't.

You don't get a cookie for being less wrong.

Moving the goalposts? Actually it's calibrating with the new information. A lot of people's ego's are too big to admit they're wrong and they stay stuck on their original takes, I don't. I will move off of it once I've seen enough evidence to do so as the NFL is a very fluid league.

The NFC is garbage. Pete should have no issues making the NFCCG with the #1 scoring offense.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

No. Pete has to earn it by finishing this year strong. The NFC has never been worse, he can't have another early exit.

If he does that, I will give him all the credit.

How'd you go from Pete will never get this team back to the playoffs, he was the reason Russell struggled and needs to be fired to now he can't have another early playoff exit?

Sure are moving those I hate Pete goalposts a lot today Fade.

 

[Fade]

Fade, if it makes you feel better to yield and claim you were no different than everyone else who was 'wrong', that's cool.

For some, the Hawks making the playoffs this year wasn't a pipe dream, nor was it homerism. This team is far more talented than the team PC piloted to 7 wins with T Jack. It is FAR better than the team that won 7 games last year. And Geno's numbers pointed exactly to consistent, reliable production.

He was 5-1 in TDs last year, 68% complete, off the bench.

This year, he's 11-3 and 73%. Sure, his completion percentage is higher, but he was playing cold last year and posted 68%. That's far from a 'who could have predicted this' scenario.

This year is nothing more than a continuation of what was there for everyone to see.

Then why were you apologizing for Geno in the preseason, saying we shouldn't hold him to the same standard as Wilson?

You didn't this coming either.

 

[Fade]

How'd you go from Pete will never get this team back to the playoffs, he was the reason Russell struggled and needs to be fired to now he can't have another early playoff exit?

Sure are moving those I hate Pete goalposts a lot today Fade.

We were all wrong.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

WE? Nice try Fade. There are MANY people who believe in Pete. While I was in favor of them moving on from Pete, couldn't have been more wrong. He's doing a hell of a job.
Just say that YOU WERE WRONG. Don't try to lump everyone in on your blind hatred for everything Pete.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

We were all wrong.

We were, the difference is most of the rest of us don't continue to put qualifiers and move the goalposts on what needs to happen now so we can continue to beat the same tired drums like you.

Pete's done an amazing job this year, period. There aren't any metrics or new qualifiers for me to be impressed with what he's done with this team.

For you there is, because you can't stand admitting you're wrong about him. So now you can feel righteous and vindicated if he doesn't make the NFCCG?

LOL COME ON MAN!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's almost like he wants them to fail so he's "right"

Strange af, but do you.