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Completely agreed. If they nail another draft like they did 2022, they're instant contenders. They're already on the cusp (at full potential).
I’m not a fan as most in this thread seem to be on the multiple drafts before this one though. When pushed people cite brooks, Lewis, Taylor etc as the main pieces to counter and I’m not sure any of them are playing as well as people think.

This class I think goes down as close to the two super drafts as you can get. Multiple pro bowlers from this class in Lucas, Whoolen and Walker and cross deserves patience as well. To Pete and John’s credit they reevaluated their process and made changes and it worked
 

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The Shack? Says the guy who got bodied so bad that he changed his screen name. Shush.



I admittedly trolled the smoker thread, key word: admittedly. No, I didn't get warned because I stopped before anyone said anything to me. How is that relevant to this discussion?
Hilarious that you think that equates to Fade dropping flame bait in the main forum for years.
You’re calling out people for being assholes when you’ve done the exact same thing. And multiple people told you to quit being a douche in that thread.

I changed my screen name on lymons recommendation because there are some creepy stalker like shit that went on in there that I won’t bring in here. It’s obvious it’s still me and I never hit that fact so not the own you think it is.
 

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I’m not a fan as most in this thread seem to be on the multiple drafts before this one though. When pushed people cite brooks, Lewis, Taylor etc as the main pieces to counter and I’m not sure any of them are playing as well as people think.

This class I think goes down as close to the two super drafts as you can get. Multiple pro bowlers from this class in Lucas, Whoolen and Walker and cross deserves patience as well. To Pete and John’s credit they reevaluated their process and made changes and it worked

I think those drafts were pretty decent in hindsight. Those back-half of the first picks are really a coin-flip at landing an above-average starter (at least, from 2015-2019 as those are the classes I studied to arrive at that conclusion) and the outcomes rapidly degrade from there. If they get a couple of solid contributors per class when picking late, I consider it on par with what can be expected.

2022 is just silly, though. Whew. That's a class that no GM will be able to consistently replicate.
 

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Again if I’m wrong and fade is some giant asshole who calls anyone who disagrees with him stupid(as we’ve seen a dozen times in this thread) then I’d love to see it.

Isn’t debating Pete vs Russ part of what makes sports fun? Which yes I know I’m guilty of not just enjoying here too lol
 

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He didnt backtrack
Thats the point
I've not been following closely so you may well be right. I read the post we all did and thought it was a weird dig at Pete. Like I said, I'm not agreeing with him much lately but am not going to attack him in the main forum. This used to be against the rules.
 

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You’re calling out people for being assholes when you’ve done the exact same thing. And multiple people told you to quit being a douche in that thread.

Multiple people were willing and able to take the joke, and pitch shit back. No one got upset and it died within a page or two of posts.

I changed my screen name on lymons recommendation because there are some creepy stalker like shit that went on in there that I won’t bring in here. It’s obvious it’s still me and I never hit that fact so not the own you think it is.

You are literally the one that just brought The Shack into the conversation two posts ago, joker. You did that, not me. We all know why you changed your screen name, regardless of what you say. And we also know why you don't ultimately want to go there, because it won't end well for you.

Get back to riding my Fade's nutsack, and get the conversation back on track.
 

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I love giving a hard time or disagreeing as hawkstrongs hurt feelings prove but some of the responses in this thread are just wild lol.

Again maybe I’m wrong but Fade is never insults or questions people character which seems to happen a ton in this thread but I could very well be wrong and maybe it’s par for the course.

Your taming of Fade's behaviors and overreaction to the entire rest of the board (save for you of course) is strange but noted

I wonder why you connect so closely with Fade?

Agree with his football takes?
Critical of takes on one side of the Pete issue but not the other?
Interesting
 

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I think those drafts were pretty decent in hindsight. Those back-half of the first picks are really a coin-flip at landing an above-average starter (at least, from 2015-2019 as those are the classes I studied to arrive at that conclusion) and the outcomes rapidly degrade from there. If they get a couple of solid contributors per class when picking late, I consider it on par with what can be expected.

2022 is just silly, though. Whew. That's a class that no GM will be able to consistently replicate.
Multiple people were willing and able to take the joke, and pitch shit back. No one got upset and it died within a page or two of posts.



You are literally the one that just brought The Shack into the conversation two posts ago, joker. You did that, not me. We all know why you changed your screen name, regardless of what you say. And we also know why you don't ultimately want to go there, because it won't end well for you.

Get back to riding my Fade's nutsack, and get the conversation back on track.
Lymon already told you why it changes and who are you trying to impress? This forum is real life for you isn’t it 😂

Did you really say ride his nutsack? Never mind I know what I’m dealing with here
 

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Your taming of Fade's behaviors and overreaction to the entire rest of the board (save for you of course) is strange but noted

I wonder why you connect so closely with Fade?

Agree with his football takes?
Critical of takes on one side of the Pete issue but not the other?
Interesting
What side is that? The one that I said was wrong? The side that blamed Pete for everything? How many times do I have to say I was wrong and apparently that take was wrong?

Again I haven’t posted much in the main forum the past few years because every thread is like this one so if I’m wrong maybe someone can show me where he called someone stupid? Or ride a nutsack? I’d love to see it
 

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I've not been following closely so you may well be right. I read the post we all did and thought it was a weird dig at Pete. Like I said, I'm not agreeing with him much lately but am not going to attack him in the main forum. This used to be against the rules.
This forum has gone to shit. Hawkstrong is weirdly threatening why I changed my username and everyone is a moron in here. I think fade posts some interesting shit but apparently that take isn’t allowed?
 

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What side is that? The one that I said was wrong? The side that blamed Pete for everything? How many times do I have to say I was wrong and apparently that take was wrong?

Again I haven’t posted much in the main forum the past few years because every thread is like this one so if I’m wrong maybe someone can show me where he called someone stupid? Or ride a nutsack? I’d love to see it

Here's my point:

When arguments have centered around supporting Pete, etc in other threads you seem to jump in and accuse fans of being tribal in their opinions and that its the bane of message boards, and to calm down the support of Pete, critique of Russ.

But then the King of tribal Fade comes along and you are backing him up left and right

When you do this, it appears that you care not about tribal extreme views, and more that the views being expressed dont align with yours

So perhaps drop the premise of caring about tribal views. Or quit loving on Fade. Cant have it both ways my dude
 

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Multiple people were willing and able to take the joke, and pitch shit back. No one got upset and it died within a page or two of posts.



You are literally the one that just brought The Shack into the conversation two posts ago, joker. You did that, not me. We all know why you changed your screen name, regardless of what you say. And we also know why you don't ultimately want to go there, because it won't end well for you.

Get back to riding my Fade's nutsack, and get the conversation back on track.
You’ve never once posted your real name, a pic or anything and yet you’re calling me out for getting rid of my real name? That is stupid in the main forum. Gtfoh with your weird threats about personal shit in this forum.
 

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Lymon already told you why it changes and who are you trying to impress? This forum is real life for you isn’t it 😂

Austin, this is the main forum, not the shack please keep from derailing the conversation. I know arguing online gets you all worked up, but this never ends well for you. I am not sure how many times they will let you change your screen name.
 
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You deserve all of the attacks you are receiving. You act like you know what goes on in the locker room. You act like you know what goes on on the sidelines. And you act like you know what goes on in the huttle. You act like you know more than coaches that have been involved in football their entire life. In reality, you know less than nothing compared to PC. I have never seen you post anything where you were spot on.

The same players are still playing on the defense. PC in his last presser explained that things were adjusted to fit each player's strength. You can only find out those strengths through game play and watching film. The fact that adjustments were made IS a sign of great coaching.

I don't think you are a bad fan, but I do think you have unrealistic expectations and are influenced by your own feeling and not facts.
I agree with everything but the attack part. I think many people are simply responding to the antithesis of truth that originates from between Fade's ears and into the forum.

Responding with doubt or even ridicule for what is seemingly often/always solely a jaded opinion fancied up with pretty stats and irrelevant future prognostications is reasonable on a forum where discussions take place. Some may consider these responses attacks, but I have no ill will toward Fade. I am not and won't attack Fade. I don't know Fade. I only know the limited mind on display here which sometimes I enjoy responding to.

Fade is excellent at muddying the waters and some people don't know how to question the veracity of what is being presented or even to simply pull the plug. Recently (maybe this has always been - maybe not as I don't always read this forum) things posted by Fade are filled with stuff but not with relevant substance related to many topics.

Fade presents in this forum as an instigator and a know-it-all. Perhaps Fade is nothing of the sort elsewhere but people tend to perceive based upon what is presented. Fade has created a persona here that receives many responses and it is reasonable to think that is simply the end goal in and of itself. Someone mentioned Bayless or Smith and that makes sense to me.

The negative taint coming from Fade clearly works for some, but it's really the opposite of how many people view the world.

This I suspect is why Fade and others have such a visceral negative take on Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll seems to see the world in a fundamentally different way than Fade and some others seem to, assuming that Fade and others like Fade are serious in what they post here.

I have no problem with Fade or others posting whatever they choose to post, but for anyone not to expect a response or criticism or challenge or a bit of a prod or a laugh at some of the ridiculousness on a forum designed for discourse is naïve.
 

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You’ve never once posted your real name, a pic or anything and yet you’re calling me out for getting rid of my real name? That is stupid in the main forum. Gtfoh with your weird threats about personal shit in this forum.

Threats/threatening? What are you talking about? Please bring this back to the topic at hand.
 

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Here's my point:

When arguments have centered around supporting Pete, etc in other threads you seem to jump in and accuse fans of being tribal in their opinions and that its the bane of message boards

But then the King of tribal Fade comes along and you are backing him up left and right

When you do this, it appears that you care not about tribal extreme views, and more that the views being expressed dont align with yours

So perhaps drop the premise of caring about tribal views. Or quit loving on Fade. Cant have it both ways my dude
Ok fair enough, I’ll pay more attention and maybe I’m wrong. I don’t care about extremes as I just agreed that I held the other side of this debate until very recently, you get that right?

What I don’t like is the insults or some ducking loser like Hawkstrong who hides behind an anonymous account calling me out for ditching my personal name after some weird shit went down in the shack. I don’t like it when shit gets super personal which to be fair I’ve been guilty of before too
 

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Here's my point:

When arguments have centered around supporting Pete, etc in other threads you seem to jump in and accuse fans of being tribal in their opinions and that its the bane of message boards, and to calm down the support of Pete, critique of Russ.

But then the King of tribal Fade comes along and you are backing him up left and right

When you do this, it appears that you care not about tribal extreme views, and more that the views being expressed dont align with yours

So perhaps drop the premise of caring about tribal views. Or quit loving on Fade. Cant have it both ways my dude
You know what? I’m taking a post workout bath and listening to the new TSwift album. You may be right and I’m guilty of that at times. I’ll avoid it moving forward. No snark. If it’s perceived then I have room for improvement
 

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What I don’t like is the insults or some ducking loser like Hawkstrong who hides behind an anonymous account calling me out for ditching my personal name after some weird shit went down in the shack. I don’t like it when shit gets super personal which to be fair I’ve been guilty of before too

Austin, I suggest you go back and read our exchange. You are the one that got personal, I tried to avoid all of that. I told you repeatedly to stop, but you want to continue crossing that line in the main forum. It's not appropriate.
 

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Austin, I suggest you go back and read our exchange. You are the one that got personal, I tried to avoid all of that. I told you repeatedly to stop, but you want to continue crossing that line in the main forum. It's not appropriate.
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