Is Wilson a Hall of Fame QB?

[AROS]

Tough question. In some regards I think about all the accolades he has had with his time in Seattle, yet with this current state of affairs if he can't pull out of it...I just don't know. 5 years ago I said he was a lock. Now I am not so sure. I agree with Sgt.

Fringe.

 

[toffee]

If he quits after this year, he is almost a lock for HOF, but there's that $0.25b, if he finishes the years needed to collect those $$$, he may not be a HOF.

 

[Ozzy]

Statistically his first decade is much better than people realize. He's at the top in almost every category TD/INT ration, passer rating, touchdowns, comp %, game winning drives, 4th wuarter comebacks, winning percentage etc. I could go on and on. He's top 3 ALL TIME in multiple important categories and this isn't even factoring in just flat out winning with making the playoffs almost every year and the two SB trips. He was really, really good for a long time. He's terrible right now though and I admit if he keeps this up its going to go from a lock to 50/50.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Statistically his first decade is much better than people realize. He's at the top in almost every category TD/INT ration, passer rating, touchdowns, comp %, game winning drives, 4th wuarter comebacks, winning percentage etc. I could go on and on. He's top 3 ALL TIME in multiple important categories and this isn't even factoring in just flat out winning with making the playoffs almost every year and the two SB trips. He was really, really good for a long time. He's terrible right now though and I admit if he keeps this up its going to go from a lock to 50/50.

I'd say 50/50 is fair at this point.

If Russ continues to stink and is out of the league in five years? Then it probably drops to 25% or less. If he starts to play better and can get into the top 10-15 in most statistical categories? Then it probably goes up to 75% chance, or better.

I hope Russ does rebound, after this year. I mean, he's the greatest Hawk QB of all time, and I'd love for him to come back and be a part of our great Seattle sports community after he retires.

No reason whatsoever to hate on Russ.........again, AFTER this year. Not happy with how he left, but that's the case for most players isn't it? We love Sherman again, he tantrumed his way out the door too.

 

[BASF]

Easily. He has a decade of being one of the top 3-4 guys of his era. His stats over that period and his 2 SB trips are enough. This year has been a wreck and if he's truly done it hurts his chances for sure but I still think he gets in. I get that its fun to pile on him right now but being objective his first 10 years in there are only a handful of guys who have his resume after ten years. It's a small group

The problem with the stats argument is that this era has made passing stats over inflated. He will be discounted by the fact that Mahomes and Allen are doing what he did, but better.

 

[Ozzy]

The problem with the stats argument is that this era has made passing stats over inflated. He will be discounted by the fact that Mahomes and Allen are doing what he did, but better.

Fair but he was also the best. Mahomes has been better but I’d argue Allen isn’t so far. Much higher int oercentage, no SB etc. the list that has done what he did is very small. Rodgers, Mahomes and that might be it. Allen could reach it but he throws a lot of picks

 

[Aircrew]

Eh, I'm enjoying the Russ schadenfreude as much as anyone, but for now he probably still is. He checks all the boxes. He's a nine-time Pro Bowler with a ring and gaudy stats aside from this season. His 300 passing TDs currently is tied with John Elway for 13th all time, he's fourth all-time in passer rating, he a number of those "first QB to XXXX stats". Killing his chances to be a first-ballot guy if he doesnt get his mojo back. I don't think he's out unless he completely washes out of the league.

As much as it pains me to think of Russ getting a gold jacket, I think you're spot on. Unless he totally bellyflops every game for the rest of his career, he'll probably get in after his 4th or 5th look.

 

[Hawkinaz]

Before the trade Wilson was borderline comparing him to recent QBs that have gotten in the HOF now that he is the laughing stock of the NFL his chances are down the drain

 

[Sgt. Largent]

As much as it pains me to think of Russ getting a gold jacket, I think you're spot on. Unless he totally bellyflops every game for the rest of his career, he'll probably get in after his 4th or 5th look.

Why would you not want the best QB in franchise history to go into the Hall as a Seahawk?


This is a fun debate, but I don't get the hate. Players move on, shit happens. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be appreciative of what they did for us and look forward to bringing them back into the Hawk family once they retire and time heals some of the feelings we might have had when they left.

It was a magical time in 2012-2014. We shouldn't forget who helped us get our first SB.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

If Aaron continues to Suck into 2024, is he out of Hof contention? How about Matt Ryan?

 

[Torc]

I'm not convinced that Russ is a shoo-in to the HoF. There's much speculation that his super bowl appearances are due to the Legion of Boom, and the fact that they held the highest scoring offense of all time to 8 points bolsters that thought. Many of the Seahawks playoff appearances can be attributed to that defense, and in several cases their early exit from the playoffs can be blamed on the lack of offense, directed by Russ. He was backed by the #1 scoring defense in the league 4 times, and once the 3rd ranked D. I think he was on a hall of frame trajectory, but that it has been stalled pending what he does the next couple of years. If he continues his current level of play, I think the voters are going to lean heavily on the "defense provided most of the success in Seattle" narrative.

 

[BlueTalon]

I don’t think falling off the way RW has is what’s pushing him out of the HOF. It’s the relative nobody coming in to replace him and balling out like Russ never left that’s making him look bad.

That too.

 

[QWERTY]

I believe that Russ along with the LOB are not HOF players.

I know I will get blamed for this but, in Seattle they worked well, but with ET in Ravens, he was a disaster. RW in Broncos is a disaster, and Sherman didn't do well with the 49ers.

 

[keasley45]

that's fair I just think his first ten years were so good that he was a lock. If he has 7-8 years of playing like he is now? Yeah he hurts his case a ton. I still think he rebounds a little and that Denver has a lot of issues going on that aren't all his fault. Russ is broken, the offensive staff is terrible, they lead the league in injuries etc. It's rumored Sean Payton may go there. It wouldn't shock me if he got Russ right. I know I'm in the minority but I hope Russ figures it out after this year.

Given the truth about his knowledge of the game and true qb' ing ability being illuminated in Denver, week to week, it's throwing into doubt how heavily anything positive he did before should be weighed..

His shortcomings cannot be explained away by age. And for them to have existed his entire career, and for his teams and him to have found success despite them has to be credited more to a coaching staff that schemed around his deficiencies than anything he did on his own.

 

[keasley45]

If Aaron continues to Suck into 2024, is he out of Hof contention? How about Matt Ryan?

They haven't shown that they actually don't know how to execute the fundamentals of the position.

To decline like Big Ben did over his last years as a product of being a great player whose physical skills simply declined with age is one thing.

For it to be shown that a guy actually doesn't know how to play the position in a few critical ways because he's been removed from the coach and system that he found success in...

That's not the same as Rodgers, Ryan, etc.

 

[seatownlowdown]

he should have been a lock, but he had other ideas

 

[Rat]

I believe that Russ along with the LOB are not HOF players.

I know I will get blamed for this but, in Seattle they worked well, but with ET in Ravens, he was a disaster. RW in Broncos is a disaster, and Sherman didn't do well with the 49ers.

ET and Sherman are locks, even if ET got weird after leaving here. ET is arguably the biggest reason we had an all time great D. That'd be like leaving Alan Page out of the HOF.

 

[BlueTalon]

Is this the "research" you've been doing over on your Bronco forums?

Not research, just observations. The narrative was that Pete was holding Russ back and not letting him cook in Seattle. If some people here are reevaluating Russ's time with the Seahawks in light of how he's performing in Denver now + how Geno is performing now on this board, and some people on the Denver board are doing the same thing, and some people in the media are asking those kinds of questions, it's highly probably that at least some people on the HOF committee are doing it also.

If Russ was lighting it up in Denver, there'd have been no reason to question the narrative. But the narrative has completely fallen apart, because Russ has completely fallen apart. The narrative was the lens through which many people saw Russ's career. With that gone, people need a new lens.

 

[seatownlowdown]

I believe that Russ along with the LOB are not HOF players.

I know I will get blamed for this but, in Seattle they worked well, but with ET in Ravens, he was a disaster. RW in Broncos is a disaster, and Sherman didn't do well with the 49ers.

you actually never watched the LOB then.

sherm is a 1st ballot HOFer. ET will eventually get in. if kam didn't have that neck injury, he'd be in too.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Russ is supposed to be the best QB in franchise history and Geno is about to have the best QB season in franchise history. He's been on the shelf for over half a decade and he's on pace to have the best Seahawks season from a QB, ever.
Let's not lose track of where that Seahawk franchise QB bar is actually at historically. Best seahawk QB ever doesn't automatically qualify for HOF status like some other franchises.

When Russell's career numbers are evaluated once he's out of the league in the next few years, people aren't gonna be referencing all the landmarks he hit early in his career only to fall short of any meaningful career long accomplishments. Only team3 will be touting that stuff. Those things aren't actually records. They're just media talking points along the way. His careers totals are at risk of looking pedestrian compared to his peers.

Don't underestimate the fact that he's gonna get lost in between the Brady/Manning/Brees era and the current Mahomes+whoever else era. He'll be a blip with the way things go in the media nowadays.