Mina Kimes ranks Pete Carroll at #10 among coaches

[NoGain]

Who has had a better, more praiseworthy career, PC as a head coach, or RW as a QB?

Sometimes it seems that a lot of the back and forth in these threads kind of revolves around that question.

I don't know. The thought just popped into my mind.

 

[stack55]

Thirty years ago, I never saw a single "rankings" sports show on television. Now there is some variation of a ranking, from every sports-centric media outlet, every single day.

The sports entertainment industry revolves around two main topics.

1) GOAT.
2) Rankings.

Sports entertainment consumers get routinely smothered with some variation of the above topics on a daily basis.

It is lucratively designed to invoke emotional investment. You are SUPPOSED to feel angry or conversely, you are SUPPOSED to feel vindicated. It is a form of social conditioning designed to get you hooked. To get you emotionally invested. To get you coming back to see if you can finally find some validation or alternatively, to see if your validation has somehow slipped away.

Let me help some folks with their emotional dependency for a moment. As a Seattle fan, you will NEVER find validation in the fore mentioned sports programming formats because you follow a small market team. Remember, this is all profit orientated. This incessant ranking theatre will ALWAYS favor either: 1) The large market teams or 2) The teams that via scientific polling, prove to be a true national/international brand with respect to the measurable size of their fan base.

This has all been figured out with number crunching algorithms. The most profitable show formats are engineered and designed. The people involved are paid actors fulfilling a predetermined role. The media giants have this down to a SCIENCE. Because fan attention is profitable. Because fan emotional investment is a very valuable commodity that is sold for a very handsome return. But........because you follow a small market team, YOU ARE NOT the target consumer here. Hence, your "ranking" will always suffer because of this.

Don't get me wrong. If the team wins come in double digits or the team wins a Super Bowl, they will get their due recognition, but this will only be due to the fact that there has to be some element of truth to retain credibility. To maintain a semblance of viewer trust. But trust me, once the team finds some adversity, the media giants will sink this ship quicker than the Titanic and once again, any variation of the daily rankings theatre will find routine exclusion.

As long as you know this ahead of time, before you click on this stuff, you might find some entertainment value. Like pro wrestling, you already know who the winners are going to be, but that doesn't mean you can't find a measure of entertainment in it. Personally, I don't care for pro wrestling, but I can understand why it thrives and has a following. Like these daily ranking theatre shows, it provokes emotional investment. And makes a whole lot of money.

Well said Mick063

 

[pittpnthrs]

Who has had a better, more praiseworthy career, PC as a head coach, or RW as a QB?

Sometimes it seems that a lot of the back and forth in these threads kind of revolves around that question.

I don't know. The thought just popped into my mind.

Neither has done anything without the other. Wilson had a dismal season in Denver and Carroll has a sub .500 record without him. Going to take more time to answer.

 

[NoGain]

Neither has done anything without the other. Wilson had a dismal season in Denver and Carroll has a sub .500 record without him. Going to take more time to answer.

PC resurrected the USC football program and went on one of the great runs in division one college football history, winning two national championships, and almost winning a few others.

So there's that.

 

[pittpnthrs]

PC resurrected the USC football program and went on one of the great runs in division one college football history, winning two national championships, and almost winning a few others.

So there's that.

Yeah, he also paid and gave Reggie Bush a house which landed USC a two year bowl game ban, a loss of 30 scholarships, and a forfeiture of two years of victories. We're talking about the NFL though.

 

[hoxrox]

Neither has done anything without the other. Wilson had a dismal season in Denver and Carroll has a sub .500 record without him. Going to take more time to answer.

The way I see it, PC is 9-8 post RW. RW is 5-12 post PC.

Who will have the better record this coming season? My money is on PC.

 

[Lagartixa]

As for the Bills game, not sure what game you watched. It was nothing like that at all. Wilson didn't throw 4 picks.

Technically, he's right. It was two interceptions and two lost fumbles.

Those calling for the Seahawks to "let Russ cook" evidently didn't know Wilson's only recipe was for...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Some of y'all need to face the fact that Russel Wilson IS NOT without his faults....His disastrous play last year is eye-openingly convincing of just a smattering of his problems.
The man is talented, no argument there, but he absolutely does have his flaws that has held him from becoming the next Tom Brady.
The FACT that all his devout fans are stacking blame on Pete, Schotts, Bevell, Waldren, Hackett etc. etc. etc. tells y'all who is REALLY AT FAULT for Russell Wilson's miscues = a FIVE WIN Season as 'The Man' in FULL CONTROL of his new team, & is blatantly RESPONSIBLE for HIS OWN failures.

Nobody is saying the former guy was without faults. It was time to move on from him. You need to face that he's GONE, we won. You're still whining and sniveling about the guy 16 months later. He's no longer a Hawk, and it's a good thing.
Get the f over it at some point. Geezus.

 

[Hawkmode]

Nobody is saying he was without faults. It was time to move on from him. You need to face that he's GONE, we won. You're still whining and sniveling about the guy 16 months later. He's no longer a Hawk, and it's a good thing.
Get the f over it at some point. Geezus.

Geno...who? (I'm over it)...just two more weeks...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Hard to believe we are only 29 days from our first pre-season game. LFG!
Go Hawks!

 

[Hawkmode]

Hard to believe we are only 29 days from our first pre-season game. LFG!
Go Hawks!

I'll be content just seeing some fresh feeds based on what training camp reveals...we have some significant "stashed" talent thats been injured

 

[keasley45]

Nobody is saying the former guy was without faults. It was time to move on from him. You need to face that he's GONE, we won. You're still whining and sniveling about the guy 16 months later. He's no longer a Hawk, and it's a good thing.
Get the f over it at some point. Geezus.

Nobody is whining and sniveling. Rather, it's the 'Pete still isn't great, because what had he done since 2015' crowd that drops sour grapes everywhere over Russ being gone, Geno being a franchise guy (and not a joke), and Russ stinking it up without Pete.

It's still - Russ just couldn't get over Hackett.

Or

Pete was only ever good when he cheated or had elite talent.

Or

Geno was good, but he doesn't have the ability to come back or that he will fall back to earth.

It's the Russ apologists clinging to any narrative that salvages the now disproven belief that Russ was what made the Hawks.
He helped a great deal, and he also held us back.

And who helped him most? PETE. All the talk of meddling, changing plays, not allowing Russ to throw certain routes, on and on and on. It's was all nonsense. And still there's a debate...

Can't wait until 2023 and 2024 wrap up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Nah, Pete is a hell of a coach. And Russ was a hell of a QB. On to 2023. Hopefully Geno just keeps getting better. Especially at the end of games.
The only ones dwelling on the past are the ones who just hate the guy. I figured almost a year and a half later, we would have been moved on. Talk about a pipe dream. But, do you.

 

[rcaido]

https://www.nfl.com/news/seahawks-c...bly-wouldn-t-have-been-here-a-long-time-witho
Pete Carroll
"Let's say it this way: I've been here a long time, and if we didn't have Russell, I probably wouldn't have been here a long time," Carroll said when asked about how much Seattle misses Wilson. "Because of all, think of all the magic that he's created in the years. He's got numbers and stats and fourth-quarter thises and thats, and all that stuff. One of the winningest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. It'll be really fun when he comes back and plays football again for us this year. We owe a tremendous amount. You can see how hard it is. All of these games, the Rams game … the Steelers and this one, Russell's a factor. He's a fantastic, positive factor and always has been, and those were exactly his time. That's his time. That's when he shines. So, we miss him. In the meantime, we're going to keep fighting and clawing and doing everything we can."

 

[scutterhawk]

Nobody is saying the former guy was without faults. It was time to move on from him. You need to face that he's GONE, we won. You're still whining and sniveling about the guy 16 months later. He's no longer a Hawk, and it's a good thing.
Get the f over it at some point. Geezus.

Yeah?, go tell that to the others who keep force-feeding Wilson to on every other thread to turn it off OR 'Right Back at Ya', you can just "get the F over it" yourself Fish.
If it's causing you fuss when you to read my shit, I suggest you just put me on IGNORE, and VOILA! your self inflicted angst problems with me will cease, eh?
I don't know that you've taken notice, but I have been pretty much trying to ignore your postings, and I'm just one hell of a lot happier for doing so.

 

[keasley45]

https://www.nfl.com/news/seahawks-c...bly-wouldn-t-have-been-here-a-long-time-witho
Pete Carroll
"Let's say it this way: I've been here a long time, and if we didn't have Russell, I probably wouldn't have been here a long time," Carroll said when asked about how much Seattle misses Wilson. "Because of all, think of all the magic that he's created in the years. He's got numbers and stats and fourth-quarter thises and thats, and all that stuff. One of the winningest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. It'll be really fun when he comes back and plays football again for us this year. We owe a tremendous amount. You can see how hard it is. All of these games, the Rams game … the Steelers and this one, Russell's a factor. He's a fantastic, positive factor and always has been, and those were exactly his time. That's his time. That's when he shines. So, we miss him. In the meantime, we're going to keep fighting and clawing and doing everything we can."

Did you watch that response? Pete above all is a compassionate person. He was giving Russ praise and thanks and taking the high road.

This was in a climate where their relationship was broken. Russ was lashing out publicly, questioning coaching criticizing the defense, etc.

Pete was trying to build a bridge and make it known that he still supported his qb, because Russ cant take criticism. Thats been established x100 over. Its what started his whole meltdown in the years before his trade when he realized through his agent that seattle wasblooking to move him. Russ went from team guy to going on a crusade to elevate himself above the team. In 2021 it blew up publicly on the field and in the press room. You act as if that's some sort of admission that Russ made Pete.

It's no different than the interview he gave to Wyman and Bob after they closed out the season with a huge win. Russ played well within the system, something he'd refused to do all season long. And when Wyman asked with skepticism whether Pete felt Russ would be back, he optimistically responded yes. That Russ would see the light and find his way back to happiness here.

Pete was doing what he always did - placating Russ.

Look at the post trade press conference with Pete and John. Even THEN, Pete was ho hum and seemingly regretful that things didn't work.

All of that, until Russ gave his own presser and accused Seattle of blindsiding him, saying he was happy to be with a team that wanted to win, etc.

Pete was Russ's biggest champion. Inflating his ego, protecting him to his own detriment.

But he woke up. It's why there are quotes now from Pete about how Geno is coachable... that he works within the system. That he gets it. That he's a team guy, that he makes everything easy... all of that when asked what's different between Russ and Geno. Not because he has I'll will, but because he woke up and realized that you can't make a narcissist happy.

Pete flipped a switch. It's plainly obvious he realized the mistake he made and is as enthusiastic and determined now that they've moved on to show what the team can do and might have done before as he has ever been.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah?, go tell that to the others who keep force-feeding Wilson to on every other thread to turn it off OR 'Right Back at Ya', you can just "get the F over it" yourself Fish.
If it's causing you fuss when you to read my shit, I suggest you just put me on IGNORE, and VOILA! your self inflicted angst problems with me will cease, eh?
I don't know that you've taken notice, but I have been pretty much trying to ignore your postings, and I'm just one hell of a lot happier for doing so.

Cool story

 

[Lagartixa]

imagine what would happen here if Wilson leads the Broncos to a super bowl win?
some posters would have to be institutionalized for several years.

This is about equivalent to "imagine if I buy a lottery ticket and win two hundred million dollars! Then I'll show 'em!"

What kind of odds would a gambling establishment have to give you for you to actually be willing to bet on Wilson leading the Broncos to a Super Bowl title? Would you bet, say, US$1000 at the +4000 betting houses were giving a month ago for the Broncos to win Super Bowl LVIII? I wouldn't.

 

[NoGain]

https://www.nfl.com/news/seahawks-c...bly-wouldn-t-have-been-here-a-long-time-witho
Pete Carroll
"Let's say it this way: I've been here a long time, and if we didn't have Russell, I probably wouldn't have been here a long time," Carroll said when asked about how much Seattle misses Wilson. "Because of all, think of all the magic that he's created in the years. He's got numbers and stats and fourth-quarter thises and thats, and all that stuff. One of the winningest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. It'll be really fun when he comes back and plays football again for us this year. We owe a tremendous amount. You can see how hard it is. All of these games, the Rams game … the Steelers and this one, Russell's a factor. He's a fantastic, positive factor and always has been, and those were exactly his time. That's his time. That's when he shines. So, we miss him. In the meantime, we're going to keep fighting and clawing and doing everything we can."

I had to laugh a bit reading this. We're all familiar with PC-speak. If Satan played for PC, he'd gush in a similar vein. That's just who he is. Positive Pete. It's one of the reasons most former players don't hold grudges against him, and why so many of them are apt to return to the team at some future time after being cast off.

 

[Weadoption]

This is about equivalent to "imagine if I buy a lottery ticket and win two hundred million dollars! Then I'll show 'em!"

What kind of odds would a gambling establishment have to give you for you to actually be willing to bet on Wilson leading the Broncos to a Super Bowl title? Would you bet, say, US$1000 at the +4000 betting houses were giving a month ago for the Broncos to win Super Bowl LVIII? I wouldn't.

Vegas has the Chiefs as odd on favorite.
Niners are trending around +1000, Hawks around +2500, +4000 for the Broncos and ME3 winning it all.
i agree it’s likely not going to happen, but it’s not absolute batshit crazy not gonna happen, like the Cardinals winning the Super Bowl.