Geno Isn't the Guy. Sad to Say (Main)

[knownone]

The thread about GENO.
It's all a matter of OPINION. I don't think he's a QB who can take this team to even the NFC Championship. Just MY opinion, and that's my right.
I don't trust him when the game is on the line. Hope to be very wrong.

The quote I responded to was about Russell. You should know you thumbed up the original comment.

 

[flv2]

I guess we all cherry pick our own specific time frames to support our own individual agendas.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The quote I responded to was about Russell. You should know you thumbed up the original comment.

Fair enough.
Go Hawks

 

[Throwdown]

Well that's an expensive bridge quarterback for a team that is another good draft away from being a true contender is all.

He’s a starting QB, what were you expecting to pay a STARTING QB?!

 

[pittpnthrs]

Yes. It's fair. And it's silly to lend credence to impossible scenarios (neutral settings, etc.) instead of concrete facts. Currently, Russ is not in the same stratosphere as Geno. People are complaining about Geno being 6-8 in his last 14, FFS; Russ is 6-17 in his previous 23.

Lol. No its not fair. Wilson doesnt have the talent on the offensive side of the ball that Geno does. Pretty simple. Besides Jeudy I couldnt name you one other person on Denvers offense. I couldnt even tell you their starting RB because he's irrelevant.

 

[hoxrox]

I don't trust him when the game is on the line. Hope to be very wrong.

Game was on the line in Detroit overtime. He was flawless on that drive.

 

[Lagartixa]

Lol. No its not fair. Wilson doesnt have the talent on the offensive side of the ball that Geno does. Pretty simple. Besides Jeudy I couldnt name you one other person on Denvers offense. I couldnt even tell you their starting RB because he's irrelevant.

But Wilson himself vetoed trades to two other teams before accepting the trade to the Broncos. He went to the team he wanted. Everyone, including Wilson himself, told us the Broncos were a team with a much-better OL than the Seahawks, a much-better defense than the Seahawks (certainly true last year!), and with much-better "weapons" than the Seahawks. Wilson himself said he wanted to go to the Broncos because it was a team he "wouldn't have to carry."

Since he said in his introductory press conference with the Broncos that he had gone there for one reason only, to win (three or four more Super Bowls in the 10-12 years he said he plans to play), we should understand that he chose the Broncos because they gave him a better chance to win than the Seahawks.

What happened?!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Game was on the line in Detroit overtime. He was flawless on that drive.

Yep, finally. Need more of it. I don't think that's too much to ask of your starter. I'll say it again, and then I'll get flamed as usual.
6-8 IN THE LAST 14 GAMES. That is not good.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Bro. Russ came into our house last season with the best D in the league and an offense that was hailed as superior in every way. He imploded himself and then the team.

Be honest if your going to use this example. It took a historical feat of two goal line fumbles that hadent happened in the league since the 80's for Seattle to win that game. Take that away and Denver wins by double digits. Dont try and make it out like Seattle imposed their will or Wilson lost that game because neither are true.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

That was a great win, but two fumbles inside the 5? Wow.

 

[pittpnthrs]

But Wilson himself vetoed trades to two other teams before accepting the trade to the Broncos. He went to the team he wanted. Everyone, including Wilson himself, told us the Broncos were a team with a much-better OL than the Seahawks, a much-better defense than the Seahawks (certainly true last year!), and with much-better "weapons" than the Seahawks. Wilson himself said he wanted to go to the Broncos because it was a team he "wouldn't have to carry."

Since he said in his introductory press conference with the Broncos that he had gone there for one reason only, to win (three or four more Super Bowls in the 10-12 years he said he plans to play), we should understand that he chose the Broncos because they gave him a better chance to win than the Seahawks.

What happened?!

What happened? Lol. He was clearly wrong. Not about the defense or maybe even the Oline, but weapons? That's laughable and any sports, football pundit would agree as its obvious. Who does he have? Wilson went where he would have the most input and clearest line to a big payday. Saying all the right things doesnt change that fact.

 

[hoxrox]

Yep, finally. Need more of it. I don't think that's too much to ask of your starter. I'll say it again, and then I'll get flamed as usual.
6-8 IN THE LAST 14 GAMES. That is not good.

3-2 in the last 5 games with mostly back up o-line. That's above average...

Joe Burrow 3-3 in the last 6 games. He must be average...

See what I did there?

W/L is a team stat and not a good indicator when evaluating QB play.

 

[knownone]

Lol. No its not fair. Wilson doesnt have the talent on the offensive side of the ball that Geno does. Pretty simple. Besides Jeudy I couldnt name you one other person on Denvers offense. I couldnt even tell you their starting RB because he's irrelevant.

Okay, then, let's extend this logic further: It's not fair to compare Geno to other QBs, either, because every QB is in a unique situation, and we can't possibly know how they would perform elsewhere.

So, how do we fairly evaluate QBs? Should we do what you're doing and base our analysis on our ability to name players on a team we don't follow? Since it's pretty simple, explain it to me.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

3-2 in the last 5 games with mostly back up o-line. That's above average...

Joe Burrow 3-3 in the last 6 games. He must be average...

See what I did there?

W/L is a team stat and not a good indicator when evaluating QB play.

Fair enough. I've made my point, several times. You can disagree with it, and that's fine.

 

[pittpnthrs]

3-2 in the last 5 games with mostly back up o-line. That's above average...

Joe Burrow 3-3 in the last 6 games. He must be average...

See what I did there?

W/L is a team stat and not a good indicator when evaluating QB play.

Ok, so how do you evaluate Geno's QB play this season so far? Above average? I'm not seeing that. Oline be damned. There is no excuse for missing wide open receivers and making errant throws due to poor decisions. Smith has had one good game this season and four lackluster games. I deem that as below average.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Okay, then, let's extend this logic further: It's not fair to compare Geno to other QBs, either, because every QB is in a unique situation, and we can't possibly know how they would perform elsewhere.

So, how do we fairly evaluate QBs? Should we do what you're doing and base our analysis on our ability to name players on a team we don't follow? Since it's pretty simple, explain it to me.

It is simple on paper, but impossible to do so in reality. To fairly evaluate QB's place them in a setting with the same talent or players and see who wins more. Not hard.

Naming players on opposing teams comes from recognizing them due to their output. Example would be asking casual football fans if they knew or heard of DK, Walker, or Lockett. Most would say yes. Why, because they are talented and receive recognition. Ask those same fans to name or recognize Denver's offensive starters and I guarantee you it gets sketchy.

 

[hoxrox]

Ok, so how do you evaluate Geno's QB play this season so far? Above average? I'm not seeing that. Oline be damned. There is no excuse for missing wide open receivers and making errant throws due to poor decisions. Smith has had one good game this season and four lackluster games. I deem that as below average.

I think he's a good QB who's had bad games (like even elite QBs do). Need a larger sample size to have any kind of definitive answer. Like at least 8 games with this current roster.

People prematurely judged the defense as well, and it looks like they are turning the corner.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We need him, let's start with a big game on Sunday. I know he's very capable.

 

[knownone]

It is simple on paper, but impossible to do so in reality. To fairly evaluate QB's place them in a setting with the same talent or players and see who wins more. Not hard.

Naming players on opposing teams comes from recognizing them due to their output. Example would be asking casual football fans if they knew or heard of DK, Walker, or Lockett. Most would say yes. Why, because they are talented and receive recognition. Ask those same fans to name or recognize Denver's offensive starters and I guarantee you it gets sketchy.

What if I told you that analytics seek to remove the player from the situation to provide a more accurate representation of that player's performance? That's literally why they exist.

Naming players tells us nothing about a player's ability or talent. For example, Courtland Sutton was a Pro Bowl receiver before Russ arrived, but you didn't name him earlier. So using fan recognition as a tool for evaluation is silly.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I think he's a good QB who's had bad games (like even elite QBs do). Need a larger sample size to have any kind of definitive answer. Like at least 8 games with this current roster.

People prematurely judged the defense as well, and it looks like they are turning the corner.

Fair and i'm in agreement with you that we need a larger sample size. Cheers.