Real culprit of our offense?

[toffee]

Pete built a team to play Pete Ball. That is the kind of football he likes to play.

Anyone shocked that we are literally built so we struggle to play anything else? Even though PeteBall does not work?

ALL of the fault falls on Pete. All of it.

He built this. Now we are stuck with it.

If it's his fault it's not because of PeteBall. We haven't legit run Pete Ball in years. If it's on him it's for not forcing better play from the QB position. All the Pete Ball talk even after a game where we run 11 times to 40 throws in basically a tie game going into the third is ridiculous. But wait, weren't there players on past teams that were frustrated that Pete was soft on Russ? Oh yeah that was dismissed along with romred rumblings that players were only upset with Russ out of envy and because they didn't think he was Black enough...
Couldn't have been that there was actually truth to the perception of coddling?

And if he couldn't force Russel to improve, then its for him relenting and giving the reigns of the offense over to a QB who seems more enamored with the spotlight and highlights than winning.

Pete gave control to Waldron and Russ. Russ tells Waldron what he wants to run and is comfortable with. Waldron sends those plays in. That's how the OC QB relationship works.

I've heard a few times now that Pete never won anything without Russ. Well Russ never won anything without a run game and an all world defense. Highlights and stats, sure. Consistent, on schedule, offesnsive performance you can actually design a game plan around? Nope.

Go look at game tape. The answer is obvious. Not hate, not conjecture or opinion. The film doesn't lie.

mailed it

 

[toffee]

Our offense struggled----

I am of the opinion that Shane our OC was a bad hire, this young man has coached in HC, college and NFL but he was never the OC or HC at any level, not even high school, ie he was never entrusted to call plays. He also never hold down a job for 2 years until the Rams. At Rams, he was passed over on OC, got responsibility (QB coach) taken from him. Do we even know if he designed, game planned or called any plays in LA? Ummm,

It was published that the season will start with mostly plays from Hawks playbook but he will incorporate his own plays game by game. Our offense regress game by game.

Thanks, finally someone else is thinking what I am seeing instead of simply doing the 'Fire Pete song and dance'.


I had some hope during the first game that we'd see something new and innovative.

Quite frankly, we've seen nothing since that causes a brief that anything is going to be different.

The O sucked against GB.

Fire Pete is fashionable, to some degree logical. Pete has ultimate authority in football operation, so he should be held responsible on all things football. So you can count me in on the fire Pete squad, but for entirely different reasons:

-Pete gave different treatment to Russ after '13. So all teammates go by one set of rules, always compete, not Russ.
-Poor hires, KNJ but especially this Shane fellow, nothing on his resume pointed to someone ready to be OC.
-Sub standard drafting.

So you don't have good draft position due to your record, once drafted, draftees did not enjoy great coaching. The few that made it onto the field, didn't enjoy great game planning and play calling. With all that, we relied on Russ's off script playground ball to hope for miracles, but after so many seasons, teams are more prepared for Russ's antics, which led to poor time of processions, which led to poor defense performances.

Pete is getting on age, he really need great coordinators that he could held responsible. At this moment he doesn't have any, KNJ's a sidekick, our OC, didn't know we have an OC.

 

[jammerhawk]

Where were the innovations, some use of speed to create a mismatch?

The running game was largely ineffective as well.

 

[John63]

Wilson has won without much of a run game. Plenty.

One year we went to a quick passing attack because of injuries, we had to. We did just fine until we got to the playoffs.

And Wilson literally has a collection of games where he came back in the 4th quarter, throwing the ball, in 2 min offenses - when everyone and their grandmother KNEW he was passing. He won many of those games.

Wilson would have been just fine without Pete. Pete was a .500 coach without Wilson.

Defending Pete is a weird ridiculous hill to die on when Pete was not even a good/great coach in college - he was a roster builder and a great motivator.

Of course, the heart of the matter is this, Wilson DOES have flaws. (Another thread has a ton of stills showing issues in his progressions and decisions)

You can win despite them. And we better figure it out because you can either win with Wilson or lose without him.

So we had better figure out how to win WITH him, because that is what he have. That will probably require another coach though.

But you have to win with Wilson. That is the horse you have. Trading him away just puts you on the carousel for another, hoping it works out. When the chances are whatever you replace him with will be worse.




There is no future where Pete wins without Wilson. Zero. None. Pete is a barely capable head coach that now is not even good at the one thing that made him win despite that.

This

 

[ZagHawk]

Our offense struggled, Pete's meddling? OL? Russ' injury? Geno's limitation? But our offense has a first ballot QB, two top caliber WRs, a TE hand picked by our new OC, and an OL that's no worse than '20. WR corp wise, DK certainly less productive. running game? what running game?

I am of the opinion that Shane our OC was a bad hire, this young man has coached in HC, college and NFL but he was never the OC or HC at any level, not even high school, ie he was never entrusted to call plays. He also never hold down a job for 2 years until the Rams. At Rams, he was passed over on OC, got responsibility (QB coach) taken from him. Do we even know if he designed, game planned or called any plays in LA? Ummm,

It was published that the season will start with mostly plays from Hawks playbook but he will incorporate his own plays game by game. Our offense regress game by game.

Pete ought to be fired for making poor hires, KNJ wasn't good, Shane is looking even worst.

I think there's a lot of things at play to explain why the offense is playing so poorly and/or inconsistent.

1 - Pete wants the offense to play in a way that limits turn overs and is about field position which maybe is not the best fit for the way the team is built currently. Pete has some blame.
2 - New OC from a passing system who is learning the Seahawks players, way and how to work with new boss PC as well as RW who is NOT a traditional QB. OC has some blame obviously.
3 - RW either is incapable of or refuses to pass short/middle which teams have enough tape and stats to acknowledge and use against him and the team. Especially because it means he's famine or feast in his production, he'll hold the ball too long trying to get outside and take a sack or make that bomb pass. Plus he's coming back form injury and he's been conditioned in a way to play hero ball to the point where he almost relies on it too much and now teams also are ready for it combined with his finger which does not help hero ball (long bombs which require 100% accuracy). RW has some blame.
4 - Carson is injured - Carson is fantastic....when hes on the field. Alex Collins is fine, but by definition the best a back up RB (or any position player) can be is #33 in the league.
5 - O-Line - Always an issue, partly to blame on coaching, players and RW it's all tied together, but regardless part of the blame.

So as we see above, there's a whole lot of blame to go around why the offense is so bad. But at the end of the day...change/direction comes from the top down not the bottom up. At the top level, you are responsible for everyone underneath you...it is why you are paid the big bucks. You either stop meddling so people below can be the most effective and they complain that you're riding off their coat tails OR if they are NOT effective, you meddle enough until they are effective.

So the most blame goes to Pete (or even Jody Allen).

The NFL is a business, the Seahawks is a business and thus follows the same general resource responsibilities and accountability.

 

[John63]

Our offense struggled, Pete's meddling? OL? Russ' injury? Geno's limitation? But our offense has a first ballot QB, two top caliber WRs, a TE hand picked by our new OC, and an OL that's no worse than '20. WR corp wise, DK certainly less productive. running game? what running game?

I am of the opinion that Shane our OC was a bad hire, this young man has coached in HC, college and NFL but he was never the OC or HC at any level, not even high school, ie he was never entrusted to call plays. He also never hold down a job for 2 years until the Rams. At Rams, he was passed over on OC, got responsibility (QB coach) taken from him. Do we even know if he designed, game planned or called any plays in LA? Ummm,

It was published that the season will start with mostly plays from Hawks playbook but he will incorporate his own plays game by game. Our offense regress game by game.

Pete ought to be fired for making poor hires, KNJ wasn't good, Shane is looking even worst.

I think there's a lot of things at play to explain why the offense is playing so poorly and/or inconsistent.

1 - Pete wants the offense to play in a way that limits turn overs and is about field position which maybe is not the best fit for the way the team is built currently. Pete has some blame.
2 - New OC from a passing system who is learning the Seahawks players, way and how to work with new boss PC as well as RW who is NOT a traditional QB. OC has some blame obviously.
3 - RW either is incapable of or refuses to pass short/middle which teams have enough tape and stats to acknowledge and use against him and the team. Especially because it means he's famine or feast in his production, he'll hold the ball too long trying to get outside and take a sack or make that bomb pass. Plus he's coming back form injury and he's been conditioned in a way to play hero ball to the point where he almost relies on it too much and now teams also are ready for it combined with his finger which does not help hero ball (long bombs which require 100% accuracy). RW has some blame.
4 - Carson is injured - Carson is fantastic....when hes on the field. Alex Collins is fine, but by definition the best a back up RB (or any position player) can be is #33 in the league.
5 - O-Line - Always an issue, partly to blame on coaching, players and RW it's all tied together, but regardless part of the blame.

So as we see above, there's a whole lot of blame to go around why the offense is so bad. But at the end of the day...change/direction comes from the top down not the bottom up. At the top level, you are responsible for everyone underneath you...it is why you are paid the big bucks. You either stop meddling so people below can be the most effective and they complain that you're riding off their coat tails OR if they are NOT effective, you meddle enough until they are effective.

So the most blame goes to Pete (or even Jody Allen).

The NFL is a business, the Seahawks is a business and thus follows the same general resource responsibilities and accountability.

So first I agree everyone has some blame. Once again I disagree with the refusing to throw short as I have shown in the threads he is throwing short t60-70% of the time. Where it is hurting is we are not getting the YAC we were hoping to get and PC will not allow it to run for a whole game see the first 5 games as an example.

 

[IndyHawk]

Our offense struggled, Pete's meddling? OL? Russ' injury? Geno's limitation? But our offense has a first ballot QB, two top caliber WRs, a TE hand picked by our new OC, and an OL that's no worse than '20. WR corp wise, DK certainly less productive. running game? what running game?

I am of the opinion that Shane our OC was a bad hire, this young man has coached in HC, college and NFL but he was never the OC or HC at any level, not even high school, ie he was never entrusted to call plays. He also never hold down a job for 2 years until the Rams. At Rams, he was passed over on OC, got responsibility (QB coach) taken from him. Do we even know if he designed, game planned or called any plays in LA? Ummm,

It was published that the season will start with mostly plays from Hawks playbook but he will incorporate his own plays game by game. Our offense regress game by game.

Pete ought to be fired for making poor hires, KNJ wasn't good, Shane is looking even worst.

I think there's a lot of things at play to explain why the offense is playing so poorly and/or inconsistent.

1 - Pete wants the offense to play in a way that limits turn overs and is about field position which maybe is not the best fit for the way the team is built currently. Pete has some blame.
2 - New OC from a passing system who is learning the Seahawks players, way and how to work with new boss PC as well as RW who is NOT a traditional QB. OC has some blame obviously.
3 - RW either is incapable of or refuses to pass short/middle which teams have enough tape and stats to acknowledge and use against him and the team. Especially because it means he's famine or feast in his production, he'll hold the ball too long trying to get outside and take a sack or make that bomb pass. Plus he's coming back form injury and he's been conditioned in a way to play hero ball to the point where he almost relies on it too much and now teams also are ready for it combined with his finger which does not help hero ball (long bombs which require 100% accuracy). RW has some blame.
4 - Carson is injured - Carson is fantastic....when hes on the field. Alex Collins is fine, but by definition the best a back up RB (or any position player) can be is #33 in the league.
5 - O-Line - Always an issue, partly to blame on coaching, players and RW it's all tied together, but regardless part of the blame.

So as we see above, there's a whole lot of blame to go around why the offense is so bad. But at the end of the day...change/direction comes from the top down not the bottom up. At the top level, you are responsible for everyone underneath you...it is why you are paid the big bucks. You either stop meddling so people below can be the most effective and they complain that you're riding off their coat tails OR if they are NOT effective, you meddle enough until they are effective.

So the most blame goes to Pete (or even Jody Allen).

The NFL is a business, the Seahawks is a business and thus follows the same general resource responsibilities and accountability.

So first I agree everyone has some blame. Once again I disagree with the refusing to throw short as I have shown in the threads he is throwing short t60-70% of the time. Where it is hurting is we are not getting the YAC we were hoping to get and PC will not allow it to run for a whole game see the first 5 games as an example.

John your version of short passing is not what people mean..(Screens/Slants and quick outs)not a Russ scramble and dump off 7 yards outside the numbers.

 

[BamKam]

It is the same culprit for years. Bad O Line with little to no effort in the off season to improve it. What is unfortunate NOW is that the defense also needs an overhaul in areas, where in the past it was just the Oline and we don't have the cap space or draft capital (although would it matter much, Schneider has been horrible) to make it significantly better. So 3 more years of Russell running into sacks trying to play hero ball.

 

[scutterhawk]

Our Offensive Line is not good enough to hold up for the over use of deep balls, NO Offense is.
We don't have a decent Running attack (injuries).
Inconsistency with the intermediate, & short game strategies.
Instead of attacking our opponents weaknesses with quick strikes, we allow them to disrupt/dictate the flow & timing of our Offensive schemes, and again, "No Offense" can sustain, or hold up under those circumstances.
I love Russ' deep passes as much as the next guy, but NOT if it's being over used, and without an even mediocre Run game to "Ballance", & help set up the long developing plays, you become a "One Trick Pony".
Wilson is a fantastic Quarterback, but he has his limitations....Take away his targets & he and other great Quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes, become beatable.
Pete does NOT have the kind of RB's in the stable to play "Pete Ball", and we're NOT seeing enough Tight End play to compensate for the lack of having a 'Bruiser Back'.

 

[John63]

It is the same culprit for years. Bad O Line with little to no effort in the off season to improve it. What is unfortunate NOW is that the defense also needs an overhaul in areas, where in the past it was just the Oline and we don't have the cap space or draft capital (although would it matter much, Schneider has been horrible) to make it significantly better. So 3 more years of Russell running into sacks trying to play hero ball.

Again I agree with most, however not the hero ball as again 60-70% of his passes have been short, Th problem is we are not getting much YAC and are in 2nd and 3rd and long a lot forcing the hero ball. 80% of his long throws are on long downs. Not all but 80%.

 

[toffee]

How our OC was hired:

The Seahawks reached out to him

“I’ve always just respected him from afar or from the opposite sideline,’’ Waldron said. “I’ve never had a chance to really interact with them before Seattle reached out to start this interview process. So that was really the way this thing started.’’

Waldron said he and Carroll talked remotely for several days before the job offer arrived.

“There were a lot of phone calls, a lot of FaceTime, Zoom elements to this process with him,” he said. “Over the course of several days we spoke, had some great conversations, starting with philosophy, starting with my history and really taking it all the way through things that he believed in. And at the end of this thing, really just making sure that we were aligned in how we view the game, how we view things moving forward.’’

Waldron said one thing that stood out is that he didn’t feel as if he was having to make “a sales pitch’’ to get the job. That instead, he felt like he and Carroll were just talking and realizing how much of their views meshed.

“There was so much philosophical alignment between he and I, going back to just that starting point of saying ‘Hey, it’s all about the ball.’ Well, lo behold, what’s his starting point? … So many of those things were just naturally in alignment,” he said.

LOL, what a way to hire an OC,

 

[John63]

Wilson has won without much of a run game. Plenty.

One year we went to a quick passing attack because of injuries, we had to. We did just fine until we got to the playoffs.

And Wilson literally has a collection of games where he came back in the 4th quarter, throwing the ball, in 2 min offenses - when everyone and their grandmother KNEW he was passing. He won many of those games.

Wilson would have been just fine without Pete. Pete was a .500 coach without Wilson.

Defending Pete is a weird ridiculous hill to die on when Pete was not even a good/great coach in college - he was a roster builder and a great motivator.

Of course, the heart of the matter is this, Wilson DOES have flaws. (Another thread has a ton of stills showing issues in his progressions and decisions)

You can win despite them. And we better figure it out because you can either win with Wilson or lose without him.

So we had better figure out how to win WITH him, because that is what he have. That will probably require another coach though.

But you have to win with Wilson. That is the horse you have. Trading him away just puts you on the carousel for another, hoping it works out. When the chances are whatever you replace him with will be worse.




There is no future where Pete wins without Wilson. Zero. None. Pete is a barely capable head coach that now is not even good at the one thing that made him win despite that.

This again end thread.

 

[chris98251]

Wilson has won without much of a run game. Plenty.

One year we went to a quick passing attack because of injuries, we had to. We did just fine until we got to the playoffs.

And Wilson literally has a collection of games where he came back in the 4th quarter, throwing the ball, in 2 min offenses - when everyone and their grandmother KNEW he was passing. He won many of those games.

Wilson would have been just fine without Pete. Pete was a .500 coach without Wilson.

Defending Pete is a weird ridiculous hill to die on when Pete was not even a good/great coach in college - he was a roster builder and a great motivator.

Of course, the heart of the matter is this, Wilson DOES have flaws. (Another thread has a ton of stills showing issues in his progressions and decisions)

You can win despite them. And we better figure it out because you can either win with Wilson or lose without him.

So we had better figure out how to win WITH him, because that is what he have. That will probably require another coach though.

But you have to win with Wilson. That is the horse you have. Trading him away just puts you on the carousel for another, hoping it works out. When the chances are whatever you replace him with will be worse.




There is no future where Pete wins without Wilson. Zero. None. Pete is a barely capable head coach that now is not even good at the one thing that made him win despite that.

In a shitty division you can win a lot of games and then have a favorable schedule to win more, get to the playoffs and be one dimensional and middle of the road defense your out in the first round, teams take away your go to targets and make you do it another way. Why you can't win with just hero ball.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

How our OC was hired:

The Seahawks reached out to him

“I’ve always just respected him from afar or from the opposite sideline,’’ Waldron said. “I’ve never had a chance to really interact with them before Seattle reached out to start this interview process. So that was really the way this thing started.’’

Waldron said he and Carroll talked remotely for several days before the job offer arrived.

“There were a lot of phone calls, a lot of FaceTime, Zoom elements to this process with him,” he said. “Over the course of several days we spoke, had some great conversations, starting with philosophy, starting with my history and really taking it all the way through things that he believed in. And at the end of this thing, really just making sure that we were aligned in how we view the game, how we view things moving forward.’’

Waldron said one thing that stood out is that he didn’t feel as if he was having to make “a sales pitch’’ to get the job. That instead, he felt like he and Carroll were just talking and realizing how much of their views meshed.

“There was so much philosophical alignment between he and I, going back to just that starting point of saying ‘Hey, it’s all about the ball.’ Well, lo behold, what’s his starting point? … So many of those things were just naturally in alignment,” he said.

LOL, what a way to hire an OC,

That, to me, tells me Pete just wanted a toady to hire and do what he wanted. Couldn't hire an experienced OC, everyone in the league is on to him and that they'd never be allowed to flex, so you just snag a young position coach that was never gonna be brought up in talks to be an OC anywhere else. Presto, you technically have an OC now.

 

[keasley45]

How our OC was hired:

The Seahawks reached out to him

“I’ve always just respected him from afar or from the opposite sideline,’’ Waldron said. “I’ve never had a chance to really interact with them before Seattle reached out to start this interview process. So that was really the way this thing started.’’

Waldron said he and Carroll talked remotely for several days before the job offer arrived.

“There were a lot of phone calls, a lot of FaceTime, Zoom elements to this process with him,” he said. “Over the course of several days we spoke, had some great conversations, starting with philosophy, starting with my history and really taking it all the way through things that he believed in. And at the end of this thing, really just making sure that we were aligned in how we view the game, how we view things moving forward.’’

Waldron said one thing that stood out is that he didn’t feel as if he was having to make “a sales pitch’’ to get the job. That instead, he felt like he and Carroll were just talking and realizing how much of their views meshed.

“There was so much philosophical alignment between he and I, going back to just that starting point of saying ‘Hey, it’s all about the ball.’ Well, lo behold, what’s his starting point? … So many of those things were just naturally in alignment,” he said.

LOL, what a way to hire an OC,

That, to me, tells me Pete just wanted a toady to hire and do what he wanted. Couldn't hire an experienced OC, everyone in the league is on to him and that they'd never be allowed to flex, so you just snag a young position coach that was never gonna be brought up in talks to be an OC anywhere else. Presto, you technically have an OC now.

How on earth did you get what you did out of that interview? First, remote interviews are the way of things in a covid world. So them having multiple conversations was nothing abnormal. And typically the great hires are the ones with which you have a philosophical alignment with. Philosphical alignment doesn't mean 'do what I say'. It means that general core principles are shared. And I haven't heard of any coach worth anything that doesn't believe taking care of the ball is priority number one. And even if you did believe that he was a yes man hire, say, before the season started, hiw could you now w.hen nothing of the offense we run has a PC stamp on it. We don't run. We don't control the clock. We aren't efficient. And we turn the ball over. That's the antithesis of 'Peteball'. And Waldron and Russ are dictating that.

Hardly a toady

 

[keasley45]

Russ unintentionally already told us what the culprit is...

The real issue can be found in a few simple statements made by RW following the Tennessee game. His own words. And when you listen to what he said and watch the game on the field, the mystery no longer seems so mysterious

Russ said, when asked about why he didn't take what the defense gave him and control the clock instead of taking shots:

“I think what I agree with is, find a way to win the game, whatever that is,” Wilson said Thursday. “I think that ultimately the game happens so fast. You try to get the ball to Tyler. … He’s a pretty good player. But at the same time, the game happens fast. You know, you make a decision. We were backed up. Didn’t want to get hit on the first play, get sacked on it. So it’s one of those things, we were probably 3-4 inches off from completing it. One of those beautiful toe taps.”

Folks, it's all right there.

We all speculate as to whether Russ has trouble with dissecting plays or hitting the wr he needs to hit in stride when a snap decision is required. Or whether the presnap game is too hard or post snap reads confusing.. And when asked about his play he references a throw to Tyler when things actually weren't moving that fast. He had protection, two options to throw to, one high, one low for just a first down, and he chose ' one of those beautiful toe taps ' over the first down play... because things were moving 'so fast'.

We wonder whether his pocket awareness is gone and debate it back and forth, and he chose to cite a fear of getting hit as the reason for rushing a throw that didn't need to be rushed, when there was a clean pocket and no pressure. Yet two plays later he took a sack that shoukd have been a safety.


We debate whether its Pete's desire to go for chunk plays but again, it was Pete commenting on how he wished we wouldn't do that and Russ responding with an answer that basically admits he was looking for the spectacular catch first... the 'beautiful toe tap' before the short gain.

If this were a case in court for a judge to decide. It would have been closed after reading those quotes.

There is no mystery.

Russ needs to change all of the above.

Slow the game down again, learn to use the pocket again, and stop looking for the hard, but spectacular play.

His own words impeach him.

 

[keasley45]

But if someone from the 'Anti RW' camp had said that they think the reason he played the way he did in OT during that game or any other game since was because he has lost his pocket awareness, that the game moves too fast for him and he is drawn to the highlight play, they'd be crucified.

And yet, he all but said it himself.

 

[toffee]

But if someone from the 'Anti RW' camp had said that they think the reason he played the way he did in OT during that game or any other game since was because he has lost his pocket awareness, that the game moves too fast for him and he is drawn to the highlight play, they'd be crucified.

And yet, he all but said it himself.

You are onto something right here!

One wonders years from now, after Russ's done playing. Sitting in his owners's booth or the white house, will he look back with fondness on the first few years of his career playing PeteBall? Where he managed the game with support from great running game and defense, occasionally he will play hero to save a game or few.

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[John63]

How our OC was hired:

The Seahawks reached out to him

“I’ve always just respected him from afar or from the opposite sideline,’’ Waldron said. “I’ve never had a chance to really interact with them before Seattle reached out to start this interview process. So that was really the way this thing started.’’

Waldron said he and Carroll talked remotely for several days before the job offer arrived.

“There were a lot of phone calls, a lot of FaceTime, Zoom elements to this process with him,” he said. “Over the course of several days we spoke, had some great conversations, starting with philosophy, starting with my history and really taking it all the way through things that he believed in. And at the end of this thing, really just making sure that we were aligned in how we view the game, how we view things moving forward.’’

Waldron said one thing that stood out is that he didn’t feel as if he was having to make “a sales pitch’’ to get the job. That instead, he felt like he and Carroll were just talking and realizing how much of their views meshed.

“There was so much philosophical alignment between he and I, going back to just that starting point of saying ‘Hey, it’s all about the ball.’ Well, lo behold, what’s his starting point? … So many of those things were just naturally in alignment,” he said.

LOL, what a way to hire an OC,

That, to me, tells me Pete just wanted a toady to hire and do what he wanted. Couldn't hire an experienced OC, everyone in the league is on to him and that they'd never be allowed to flex, so you just snag a young position coach that was never gonna be brought up in talks to be an OC anywhere else. Presto, you technically have an OC now.

you was there any doubt. PC will never hire anyone who will stray to far form what he wants

 

[keasley45]

But if someone from the 'Anti RW' camp had said that they think the reason he played the way he did in OT during that game or any other game since was because he has lost his pocket awareness, that the game moves too fast for him and he is drawn to the highlight play, they'd be crucified.

And yet, he all but said it himself.

You are onto something right here!

One wonders years from now, after Russ's done playing. Sitting in his owners's booth or the white house, will he look back with fondness on the first few years of his career playing PeteBall? Where he managed the game with support from great running game and defense, occasionally he will play hero to save a game or few.

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All the back and forth about , it's Waldron, it's Pete, it was Bevell...

There nothing to speculate. Every way you think about it, what he said is exactly true.

He makes bad decisions because 'the game happens so fast... '

I remember Buddha Baker saying after their win over us last year to describe the last INT that Russ threw to seal the game. He said they knew that if they showed the right look and brought pressure that they would confuse him. That that's how you beat him.

And every defense last year and again this defaults to a 2 high look. Why? Because they know he will go there

It's almost comical how 'In plain sight' it all is.


Russ (paraphrasing):
' The game happens so fast... you make a decision '... ' didn't want to get hit'

Buddha Baker (paraphrasing):
Bring pressure and give him (Russ) a look that is too hard for him to figure out right away and you beat him.

Russ (paraphrasing):
Didnt want to be conservative because we 'could have had one of those beautiful toe taps'

Every defense in the league:
'Give up the easy routes... Russ won't take them. He want the spectacular play'. - Let's go 2 high and rush him all day...