Russell Wilson and the 3 year, $45.5 million baseline

[Tical21]

What happened to all this "outside the box" thinking stuff that was being shoved down our throats a few months ago? Did Russell put the handcuffs on that part?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

What happened to all this "outside the box" thinking stuff that was being shoved down our throats a few months ago? Did Russell put the handcuffs on that part?

I guess Russell thinking he's worth 25M a year fully guaranteed is "outside the box" to him and his agent.

 

[Anthony!]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilson get a good faith pay raise for this year only if they can't get a reasonable extension worked out.

Teams are required to spend up to a certain percentage of the cap anyway. Might as well throw him a few million this year and buy a little good will for next year.

We're already well over the required 89%.

And we will need those cap savings to extend Wagner and to potentially franchise Wilson next year. In addition, I don't think Wilson needs any more incentive NOT to sign an extension.

they only have 10.7 mil now, so depending on what Wagner wants it may not matter. That said Matthews was given a contract 2 years ago paying him an avg of 13.2 mil year. HSI cap hit this year is 12.7 mil, Timmons is 12.5 mil, then it drops to 7.9 for Cushing and so on. So if Bobby wants Matthews money we are screwed and may not be able to keep him and Wilson, If he wants cushing money they can keep Bobby, give Wilson a little bump in 2015. It depends on what Bobby wants. The avg of the to p5 Middle LBs is 9.68 which means our cap this year is pretty much gone, and next year will be tough.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap ... inebacker/

 

[Anthony!]

Here is the thing Russ has zero reason to take a deal that will pay him less then 22 million a year his contract next year if tagged will be around that, the year after the tag will be 120% of that and then 120% of that. The baseline isn't 45.5 it's over 70 easily.

And if he gets seriously hurt, there is no insurance policy in the world that will make up the difference in what he would have received had he signed a long-term deal worth $20-22 million per year with $40+ million guaranteed.

ahh yeah there is, and we do not know what the guarantee is

$40 million is in line with what the other top QBs have received. It is also the figure you yourself cited above (from Clayton) when discussing the most recent offer to Wilson.

Agreed but we really do not know, and again there is still how it is all broken out ie bonuses etc.

 

[Anthony!]

What happened to all this "outside the box" thinking stuff that was being shoved down our throats a few months ago? Did Russell put the handcuffs on that part?

I guess Russell thinking he's worth 25M a year fully guaranteed is "outside the box" to him and his agent.

Key word is Guess, maybe its the FO who thinks any QB would do, especially with Graham.

 

[hawknation2015]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilson get a good faith pay raise for this year only if they can't get a reasonable extension worked out.

Teams are required to spend up to a certain percentage of the cap anyway. Might as well throw him a few million this year and buy a little good will for next year.

We're already well over the required 89%.

And we will need those cap savings to extend Wagner and to potentially franchise Wilson next year. In addition, I don't think Wilson needs any more incentive NOT to sign an extension.

they only have 10.7 mil now, so depending on what Wagner wants it may not matter. That said Matthews was given a contract 2 years ago paying him an avg of 13.2 mil year. HSI cap hit this year is 12.7 mil, Timmons is 12.5 mil, then it drops to 7.9 for Cushing and so on. So if Bobby wants Matthews money we are screwed and may not be able to keep him and Wilson, If he wants cushing money they can keep Bobby, give Wilson a little bump in 2015. It depends on what Bobby wants. The avg of the to p5 Middle LBs is 9.68 which means our cap this year is pretty much gone, and next year will be tough.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap ... inebacker/

Let's get one thing straight because we keep going in circles around this. Just like for Wilson, or any other player for that matter, Wagner's cap hit this year would not be the same as the average salary of his potential extension. It would be his current salary, plus the portion of his signing bonus that is prorated over five years. If Wagner receives a $10 million signing bonus, then that is only a $3.37 million total cap hit in 2015. If he receives a $15 million signing bonus, then that is only a $4.37 million total cap hit in 2015, and so on.

They could hypothetically give Wilson a $30 million signing bonus and Wagner a $10 million signing bonus or Wilson a $25 million signing bonus, which is still $5 million more than Cam received, and Wagner a $15 million signing bonus. $10 million in cap space actually equates to as much as $50 million in signing bonuses, but I am leaving a $2 million cushion for other money that may be needed during the season.

 

[Anthony!]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilson get a good faith pay raise for this year only if they can't get a reasonable extension worked out.

Teams are required to spend up to a certain percentage of the cap anyway. Might as well throw him a few million this year and buy a little good will for next year.

We're already well over the required 89%.

And we will need those cap savings to extend Wagner and to potentially franchise Wilson next year. In addition, I don't think Wilson needs any more incentive NOT to sign an extension.

they only have 10.7 mil now, so depending on what Wagner wants it may not matter. That said Matthews was given a contract 2 years ago paying him an avg of 13.2 mil year. HSI cap hit this year is 12.7 mil, Timmons is 12.5 mil, then it drops to 7.9 for Cushing and so on. So if Bobby wants Matthews money we are screwed and may not be able to keep him and Wilson, If he wants cushing money they can keep Bobby, give Wilson a little bump in 2015. It depends on what Bobby wants. The avg of the to p5 Middle LBs is 9.68 which means our cap this year is pretty much gone, and next year will be tough.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap ... inebacker/

Let's get one thing straight because we keep going in circles around this. Just like for Wilson, or any other player for that matter, Wagner's cap hit this year would not be the same as the average salary of his potential extension. It would be his current salary, plus the portion of his signing bonus that is prorated over five years. If Wagner receives a $10 million signing bonus, then that is only a $3.37 million total cap hit in 2015. If he receives a $15 million signing bonus, then that is only a $4.37 million total cap hit in 2015, and so on.

They could hypothetically give Wilson a $30 million signing bonus and Wagner a $10 million signing bonus or Wilson a $25 million signing bonus, which is still $5 million more than Cam received, and Wagner a $15 million signing bonus. $10 million in cap space actually equates to as much as $50 million in signing bonus.

your assuming he did not want them to do something for him this year as well, like they did for Lynch. The FO opened the door when they bowed down to Lynch on this. We will see. Most of what you say is right.

 

[hawknation2015]

your assuming he did not want them to do something for him this year as well, like they did for Lynch. The FO opened the door when they bowed down to Lynch on this. We will see. Most of what you say is right.

You appear to be mistaken on the parameters of the Lynch extension, as well, so this also needs to be corrected.

Lynch agreed to REDUCE, not increase, his base salary in 2015 by $500k and to forego a $2 million roster bonus (in the last year of his deal) in exchange for a $7.5 million signing bonus and a two year extension. His cap hit remains exactly the same as it would have been in 2015 under the original deal.

Original deal:


Two-year extension (with 2015 base salary reduced):

 

[QuickLightning]

your assuming he did not want them to do something for him this year as well, like they did for Lynch. The FO opened the door when they bowed down to Lynch on this. We will see. Most of what you say is right.

You appear to be mistaken on the parameters of the Lynch extension, as well, so this also needs to be corrected.

Lynch agreed to REDUCE, not increase, his base salary in 2015 by $500k and to forego a $2 million roster bonus (in the last year of his deal) in exchange for a $7.5 million signing bonus and a two year extension. His cap hit remains exactly the same as it would have been in 2015 under the original deal.

Original deal:


Two-year extension (with 2015 base salary reduced):

I think you're glossing over the fact that Lynch got an addition $5 million in a signing bonus that will hit the cap in addition to his previous contract.

It seems pretty unlikely he will continue to play after next year. But he is very likely keeping that signing bonus.

 

[hawknation2015]

your assuming he did not want them to do something for him this year as well, like they did for Lynch. The FO opened the door when they bowed down to Lynch on this. We will see. Most of what you say is right.

You appear to be mistaken on the parameters of the Lynch extension, as well, so this also needs to be corrected.

Lynch agreed to REDUCE, not increase, his base salary in 2015 by $500k and to forego a $2 million roster bonus (in the last year of his deal) in exchange for a $7.5 million signing bonus and a two year extension. His cap hit remains exactly the same as it would have been in 2015 under the original deal.

Original deal:


Two-year extension (with 2015 base salary reduced):

I think you're glossing over the fact that Lynch got an addition $5 million in a signing bonus that will hit the cap in addition to his previous contract.

I don't think I could be "glossing over' anything when I have clearly laid out the exact parameters of Lynch's cap neutral extension in 2015.

Anthony wrongly insinuated that the team had "bowed down to Lynch" by giving him additional money on top of his signing bonus for the extension. This is wrong. In fact, Lynch agreed to reduce his 2015 salary ($500k in base salary and $2 million in roster bonus) in order to make his 2015 salary cap neutral.

 

[Anthony!]

your assuming he did not want them to do something for him this year as well, like they did for Lynch. The FO opened the door when they bowed down to Lynch on this. We will see. Most of what you say is right.

You appear to be mistaken on the parameters of the Lynch extension, as well, so this also needs to be corrected.

Lynch agreed to REDUCE, not increase, his base salary in 2015 by $500k and to forego a $2 million roster bonus (in the last year of his deal) in exchange for a $7.5 million signing bonus and a two year extension. His cap hit remains exactly the same as it would have been in 2015 under the original deal.

Original deal:


Two-year extension (with 2015 base salary reduced):

I think you're glossing over the fact that Lynch got an addition $5 million in a signing bonus that will hit the cap in addition to his previous contract.

I don't think I could be "glossing over' anything when I have clearly laid out the exact parameters of Lynch's cap neutral extension in 2015.

Anthony wrongly insinuated that the team had "bowed down to Lynch" by giving him additional money on top of his signing bonus for the extension. This is wrong. In fact, Lynch agreed to reduce his 2015 salary ($500k in base salary and $2 million in roster bonus) in order to make his 2015 salary cap neutral.

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

 

[kidhawk]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

You are not remembering facts correctly. Schneider said they wouldn't re-do his contract with multiple years left on it. Re-negotiating a contract with one year left is standard practice, both for the Seahawks and pretty much every team in the NFL.

Another issue with your calculations is you assume that dead money is a bad thing. Dead money is only a bad thing should we have to cut him at some point. At this point, the dead money is a non-factor

 

[Anthony!]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

You are not remembering facts correctly. Schneider said they wouldn't re-do his contract with multiple years left on it. Re-negotiating a contract with one year left is standard practice, both for the Seahawks and pretty much every team in the NFL.

Another issue with your calculations is you assume that dead money is a bad thing. Dead money is only a bad thing should we have to cut him at some point. At this point, the dead money is a non-factor

Dude he threatened to retire if he did not get more money this coming year and guess what he did. They changed the last year of his current contract despite saying they would not do that. That is a fact

 

[hawknation2015]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

Let's not be completely deaf, blind, and dumb to the facts.

This was no different than any other extension -- Lynch received no additional money in the last year of his deal, other than his signing bonus. It was no different than Kam, Sherman, or Thomas' extensions, which also had signing bonuses that were prorated into the final year of their original contracts.

It would be no different than Wilson agreeing to an extension now with a signing bonus that was prorated in 2015 or Wagner doing the same.

And just like Newton, Lynch also agreed to reduce his 2015 base salary so that his signing bonus did not negatively impact the salary cap in 2015.

Whether you think the later terms of the extension are fair is another matter. I personally think they are fair because I believe Lynch will continue playing at an MVP-caliber level. But as to whether Lynch received more money in 2015 on top of the usual signing bonus for his extension? No, he did not. That's not a debatable issue whatsoever.

 

[kidhawk]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

You are not remembering facts correctly. Schneider said they wouldn't re-do his contract with multiple years left on it. Re-negotiating a contract with one year left is standard practice, both for the Seahawks and pretty much every team in the NFL.

Another issue with your calculations is you assume that dead money is a bad thing. Dead money is only a bad thing should we have to cut him at some point. At this point, the dead money is a non-factor

Dude he threatened to retire if he did not get more money this coming year and guess what he did. They changed the last year of his current contract despite saying they would not do that. That is a fact

Dude (as you so aptly call everyone).....they moved some money around, but they didn't give him his extension when there was 2 years left. They didn't add any additional money to the total contract nor did they change the cap hit from that contract. Then when he had 1 year left, they gave him a new deal as they said they would. The new deal added zero cap dollars to this year, and extended him for 2 more years at what is a reasonable salary for one of the best backs in the game.

It also has absolutely NOTHING to do with the contract talks with Wilson. We have the space to work out a deal, even if it were to pay him as the highest paid qb over 5 years.

 

[Anthony!]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

Let's not be completely deaf, blind, and dumb to the facts.

This was no different than any other extension -- Lynch received no additional money in the last year of his deal, other than his signing bonus. It was no different than Kam, Sherman, or Thomas' extensions, which also had signing bonuses that were prorated into the final year of their original contracts.

It would be no different than Wilson agreeing to an extension now with a signing bonus that was prorated in 2015 or Wagner doing the same.

And just like Newton, Lynch also agreed to reduce his 2015 base salary so that his signing bonus did not negatively impact the salary cap.

Whether you think the later terms of the extension are fair is another matter. I personally think they are fair because I believe Lynch will continue playing at an MVP-caliber level. But as to whether Lynch received more money on top of the usual signing bonus? No, he did not. That's not a debatable issue whatsoever.

Huge difference Lynch threated to retire. FYI Lynchs Salary cap number is the same as it was before the extention. Also again they said they would no renegotiate a contract changing the last year yet they did how hard is that for you to understand.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... o-new-deal

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... m-seahawks


Huge difference, enough said

 

[hawknation2015]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

Let's not be completely deaf, blind, and dumb to the facts.

This was no different than any other extension -- Lynch received no additional money in the last year of his deal, other than his signing bonus. It was no different than Kam, Sherman, or Thomas' extensions, which also had signing bonuses that were prorated into the final year of their original contracts.

It would be no different than Wilson agreeing to an extension now with a signing bonus that was prorated in 2015 or Wagner doing the same.

And just like Newton, Lynch also agreed to reduce his 2015 base salary so that his signing bonus did not negatively impact the salary cap.

Whether you think the later terms of the extension are fair is another matter. I personally think they are fair because I believe Lynch will continue playing at an MVP-caliber level. But as to whether Lynch received more money on top of the usual signing bonus? No, he did not. That's not a debatable issue whatsoever.

Huge difference Lynch threated to retire. FYI Lynchs Salary cap number is the same as it was before the extention. Also again they said they would no renegotiate a contract changing the last year yet they did how hard is that for you to understand.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... o-new-deal

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... m-seahawks


Huge difference, enough said

You can't say "FYI" when you are just repeating what I have already said five times in an attempt to allow that fact to penetrate your cranium, apparently to no avail.

:34853_doh:

 

[Spin Doctor]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

Let's not be completely deaf, blind, and dumb to the facts.

This was no different than any other extension -- Lynch received no additional money in the last year of his deal, other than his signing bonus. It was no different than Kam, Sherman, or Thomas' extensions, which also had signing bonuses that were prorated into the final year of their original contracts.

It would be no different than Wilson agreeing to an extension now with a signing bonus that was prorated in 2015 or Wagner doing the same.

And just like Newton, Lynch also agreed to reduce his 2015 base salary so that his signing bonus did not negatively impact the salary cap.

Whether you think the later terms of the extension are fair is another matter. I personally think they are fair because I believe Lynch will continue playing at an MVP-caliber level. But as to whether Lynch received more money on top of the usual signing bonus? No, he did not. That's not a debatable issue whatsoever.

Huge difference Lynch threated to retire. FYI Lynchs Salary cap number is the same as it was before the extention. Also again they said they would no renegotiate a contract changing the last year yet they did how hard is that for you to understand.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... o-new-deal

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... m-seahawks


Huge difference, enough said

You can't say "FYI" when you are just repeating what I have already said five times in an attempt to allow that fact to penetrate your cranium, apparently to no avail.

:34853_doh:

FOR WILSON!!!!!

 

[Willyeye]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

Let's not be completely deaf, blind, and dumb to the facts.

This was no different than any other extension -- Lynch received no additional money in the last year of his deal, other than his signing bonus. It was no different than Kam, Sherman, or Thomas' extensions, which also had signing bonuses that were prorated into the final year of their original contracts.

It would be no different than Wilson agreeing to an extension now with a signing bonus that was prorated in 2015 or Wagner doing the same.

And just like Newton, Lynch also agreed to reduce his 2015 base salary so that his signing bonus did not negatively impact the salary cap.

Whether you think the later terms of the extension are fair is another matter. I personally think they are fair because I believe Lynch will continue playing at an MVP-caliber level. But as to whether Lynch received more money on top of the usual signing bonus? No, he did not. That's not a debatable issue whatsoever.

Huge difference Lynch threated to retire. FYI Lynchs Salary cap number is the same as it was before the extention. Also again they said they would no renegotiate a contract changing the last year yet they did how hard is that for you to understand.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... o-new-deal

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... m-seahawks


Huge difference, enough said

Ummm, you're mixing things up Anthony...the Hawks FO said they wouldn't negotiate an extension with Lynch while he still had 2 years left on his contract...kind of similar to Bennett trying to get more money with 3 years left on his contract. Those 2 links you gave were for articles before the 2014 season, when Lynch was still under contract for both 2014 and 2015. They did move some monies around for 2014, but they DID NOT extend his contract prior to the 2014 season. They extended Lynch THIS offseason for the 2016 and 2017 seasons, but for the 2015 contract, they only added the signing bonus. The Seahawks FO has NEVER had a problem extending a player's contract when that player still has 1 year left on the contract.

 

[Anthony!]

Dude they did Lynch threatened to retire if he did not get more money this year, despite having a contract in place. They redid this year and 2 more to give him more money how they did it is irrelevant they still did it and they said they never would.

Lynch was due this in 2015
5m base, 1.5 bonus, cap hit 8.5, dead 1.5
Now he gets
4.5 mil base, 4 mi bonus, cap hit 8.5, 13.5 dead


Sorry he got more on a contract that still had a year left and worse we have more dead cap because of it. The FO said they would never do this, not me, yet they did anyway.

also despite the breakdown and you left this out

"http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

"In 2015, Lynch will earn a base salary of $4,500,000 and a signing bonus of $7,500,000. Lynch has a cap hit of $8,500,000 while his dead money value is $13,500,000."

So Lynch in 2015 will get 4.5 base and 7.5 bonus for a total of 12mil when what he had originally would have been 8.5 mil hmm lets see 12 mil is more than 8.5 again something the FO said they would not do.

Let's not be completely deaf, blind, and dumb to the facts.

This was no different than any other extension -- Lynch received no additional money in the last year of his deal, other than his signing bonus. It was no different than Kam, Sherman, or Thomas' extensions, which also had signing bonuses that were prorated into the final year of their original contracts.

It would be no different than Wilson agreeing to an extension now with a signing bonus that was prorated in 2015 or Wagner doing the same.

And just like Newton, Lynch also agreed to reduce his 2015 base salary so that his signing bonus did not negatively impact the salary cap.

Whether you think the later terms of the extension are fair is another matter. I personally think they are fair because I believe Lynch will continue playing at an MVP-caliber level. But as to whether Lynch received more money on top of the usual signing bonus? No, he did not. That's not a debatable issue whatsoever.

Huge difference Lynch threated to retire. FYI Lynchs Salary cap number is the same as it was before the extention. Also again they said they would no renegotiate a contract changing the last year yet they did how hard is that for you to understand.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... o-new-deal

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... m-seahawks


Huge difference, enough said

Ummm, you're mixing things up Anthony...the Hawks FO said they wouldn't negotiate an extension with Lynch while he still had 2 years left on his contract...kind of similar to Bennett trying to get more money with 3 years left on his contract. Those 2 links you gave were for articles before the 2014 season, when Lynch was still under contract for both 2014 and 2015. They did move some monies around for 2014, but they DID NOT extend his contract prior to the 2014 season. They extended Lynch THIS offseason for the 2016 and 2017 seasons, but for the 2015 contract, they only added the signing bonus. The Seahawks FO has NEVER had a problem extending a player's contract when that player still has 1 year left on the contract.

as you pointed out though they gave Lynch more in 2015 something they have said they will not do for Wilson so again my point stands.