ZagHawk wrote:LTH wrote:BEASTM0DE wrote:Hi everyone,
First time poster here. I would respectfully agree that it's time to move on from Pete Carroll. The league has evolved quite a bit since the 2012-2015 Legion of Boom Days.
Especially this season, I've noticed that his stubbornness to make in-game adjustments, questionable play calling and lack of accountability from himself, Russ or any of the coaches has resulted in a consistent and rapid decline of this team. Every year, the Seattle Seahawks have gotten progressively worse. Since Superbowl 49, we have drafted poorly, made some huge trades with little payoff and ultimately, it continues to hurt this team. Not all the blame falls on his shoulders. The game against the Giants had a lot to do with Wilson's poor play as well amongst a lot of . He consistently takes the sack instead of throwing the ball out of bounds amongst other things.
My main disagreement is with a lot of the posters who claim that fans should be happy with having a winning record. Being one and done in the playoffs is not something to be content with. The goal should be to win the Superbowl not to make it to the playoffs. Merely making it to the playoffs only to exit early makes you no better than a team that didn't make it to the playoffs. The end result is the same thing: You didn't win the Lombardi.
Carroll's failure to make in-game and coaching adjustments will continue to hurt this team. Not holding his coaches accountable like KNJ will only result in the same outcome of a historically bad defense. If we can't change the head coach, the head coach needs to adapt to the league and not be so stuck in his ways and refuse to acknowledge the consistent weaknesses of the team.
ok so my questions to you..
Explain how you think the league has evolved since the legion of boom days... what brings you to that conclusion and what information do you have that backs that up?
explain why you think Carroll has a lack of accountability from himself and How do you back that up?
Explain why you think the Hawks have drafted poorly and tell me which GM has drafted better picking from the bottom 10 of the league for the last 11 years?
Explain what information you have that Carroll does not hold his coaches accountable...what article do you have that backs that up? do you have inside information to back up that claim?
- The LOB Seahawks actually sparked the NFL to change its rules on defense to help make offenses more successful. WHY (OMG CONSPIRACY THEORY, but it's true). Because there is too much money in fantasy football, offensive stats, and lets be real...scoring points on offense is entertaining and gets more eyes on TV. Have you noticed that teams are scoring more and more points its not just the "offensive geniuses" of the new coaching like McVay etc.... Its because they made lives harder for the defenses. Every little thing the LOB used to excel at which was literally molesting everyone on the field to borderline "where's my holding or pass interference call?!?" cry by opposing fans...is now actually being called by the officials. The reviewable pass interference which was tried for one year was a step in that direction, but it slowed the game too much. However, it does show the intention of the NFL...they want points on the board...not off of it. The NFL was drooling for Mahomes and the offense to win the SB last year and KILL the motto "defense wins championships". The highest scoring offense in history got destroyed by our Hawks, and since then everything the NFL has done was to cater to offense not defense. So yes...one huge portion of the NFL evolving right there which means you better evolve with it.
- Petes lack of accountability. Since SB 49 he had the time to admit passing the ball was the wrong call. He was asked about it and he said, the stats said he should do it. Hed make the same call. You think i'm full of it. We all know how much the LOB all felt he took zero accountability for that and from that moment forward the Seahawks and the LOB stopped playing for each other and started playing for their paychecks. There's been enough reports out there of leaks from the locker room they all felt he took zero accountability for how that went. Also everytime they lose in similar fashion hell even this last game "oh the chunk plays werent there". That's not accountability...that's just saying your crap didnt work out like u planned. You made no adjustments after realizing the 3rd 4th, 5th and 6th time ur deep pass hail mary bombs dont work against good defenses ready for how the Hawks come from behind. He has so much faith that things wil work which can be great, has been grreat, but when they dont he just says oh they werent' there...theres no accountability of yes..i should have realized it wasnt working and switched game plans mid way through..option B, or C...its option A or bust.
- I havent mentioned drafts, but okay lets go there. The hawks hit FIRE in 2010-2012 drafting. Since then...who have they got of worthy mention in the last 6 years, i wont count last year because ill give it a year. Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. Maybe Carson but lets also face it...for as amazing as he is ON the field...he sure as hell isn;t doing anything when hes injured as well. injuries cant be predicted BUT you are a result of your drafting and how many O line busts have we had, Mcdowell? etc. Trading the first round draft picks for high paid people who didnt work in this system or were injured a lot (Harvin and Graham). Outside of the Duane Brown trade, DK Metcalf and tyler lockett...that's 3 players in 6 years of drafting...maybe Carson (if he stayed on the field for at least 3/4s of a season)...Hawks have been drafting/trading below average for the last 6 years. A decent team will find ONE probowl calber player every other draft...DRAFT not trade. because trade u gave up ur cheap rookies at probowl potential for a veteran player at veteran pay for a pro bowl name...and once someone gets injured you lack depth and here we are again crying about injuries for losses. There were injuries in the LOB years no one made those excuses because they had depth because no one was high paid.
- Got you here. How long was Cable and Bevell still coaching before they finally got fired and everyone and their grand mother could see they couldn't coach/help draft an O-line worth a damn nor make the offense work. The LOB and Marshawn Lynch won those games, not Bevell but oh he was OC during those years he mus tbe the reason for their success...why change anything. KNJ the DC right now up until really last game (defense showed up, offense did not) has looked like hot garbage and pretty much all of last year. They had a come to jesus moment when they had 2 losses in a row where they got everyone in a room to talk about their roles and expectations. Jesus Christ week 10 is when they did that? not week 3? when they were already establishing themselves as THE WORST PASSING DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!! already coming off a weak as defensive showing all of last season...
What have you got? other than just saying you dont know the inside info, you don't know their philosophies...once again i dont need to know their philosophies to see it's not working. The proof is in the pudding. Do I need to know how an engine works to know the car has an issue because one of the wheels is wobbling yet the driver wont get out and do something about it? At this point A LARGE majority of Seahawks fans are seeing the same thing I'm seeing and we're frustrated because "in pete we trust" for the last few years we saw the expected decline of a SB contender, then suddenly rather than a rise its a flat line of same old same old (9-11 win season with 1st or second round exit in the playoffs). Show me? in the last 6 years...have the hawks out performed that outcome? have they ACTUALLY shown anything that says they will this year or the next? what in the coaching and gameplans and drafting have you seen that says they will get over that 9-11 win, 1st/2nd round playoff exit level?
If they make it to the NFCCG this year, ill eat crow. When do you eat yours?
I don't waste my time on people like you.... You will argue a point you don't understand even if for some miraculous reason you figured out that you were wrong, you would still argue the same point... what a joke...