Mahomes had no time to pass today and as a result looked the way Russ has. People saying Russ sucks just look at this game today. Even Patrick Mahomes couldn't score a TD with zero time in the pocket. And people will still consider him the best player in the Leauge. If anything this game just shows how important pass blocking is. We need to get better at it. It's not Russ and it was never Russ. He is still a top 5 player in the NFL if we can give him time to throw.

I agree offensive line is a must, but play calling by KC was very poor. It was very similar to what Seattle called down the stretch. Hero ball lost again. KC never adjusted.

I was coming on here to say the same thing. A team is already at a disadvantage when its offensive line is substandard, no matter how skilled its QB is.

The Hawks were undermanned on the O-line at the end of the season, and it showed. Hope to see major emphasis put on that aspect of the team during the 2021 offseason.

That’s exactly what I was thinking while watching that game. It looked like Russ out there trying to escape with no time to throw. Then just like Seattle, Kansas City made no adjustments. Just some hero ball by Mahomes. Kansas City’s Oline got seriously owned and KC was totally out coached.

nwHawk wrote:I agree offensive line is a must, but play calling by KC was very poor. It was very similar to what Seattle called down the stretch. Hero ball lost again. KC never adjusted.

If that was any team except Tampa KC would of won it wasn't just the pass rush it was coverage on the Bucs their LB's has to be the best in the league to cover as they did our LB are definitely to slow KC would of rack up the yards on the hawks as with the Bucs.

That D was well prepared they were contesting a lot of them throws looking at intercepting the ball kinda reminding me of the LOB without the Boom.

Mahomes had no time to pass?

Yeah, that's what happens when you have two backup tackles against two star edge rushers and leave them ALONE for 48/52 dropbacks.

Absolutely horrible job by Reid and Bieniemy to adjust. That's honestly worse than pretty much any failure to adjust from Seattle that I've seen going back to the 2018 WC vs. Dallas.

Cover 2. Lmao.

Andy Reid the genius everyone on here clamored for and he put up 9 in a superbowl. I mean he did win last year. However some people said mcvay and he put 3 points in the super bowl.

Can you imagine if pete did?

Mahomes had a golden opportunity to lose to Tom Brady with an interception at the goal line with seconds left to play, but he blew through all his interceptions too early.

Seahawk Sailor wrote:Mahomes had a golden opportunity to lose to Tom Brady with an interception at the goal line with seconds left to play, but he blew through all his interceptions too early.

But Mahomes and Andy are unstoppable.

Welshers wrote:Mahomes had no time to pass today and as a result looked the way Russ has. People saying Russ sucks just look at this game today. Even Patrick Mahomes couldn't score a TD with zero time in the pocket. And people will still consider him the best player in the Leauge. If anything this game just shows how important pass blocking is. We need to get better at it. It's not Russ and it was never Russ. He is still a top 5 player in the NFL if we can give him time to throw.

He also missed wide opem guys, over looked check downs, threw into the dirt, threw into triple coverage etc etc.

AlaskaHAWK wrote:That’s exactly what I was thinking while watching that game. It looked like Russ out there trying to escape with no time to throw. Then just like Seattle, Kansas City made no adjustments. Just some hero ball by Mahomes. Kansas City’s Oline got seriously owned and KC was totally out coached.

Yeah TB took away Hill as well and without Hill always getting wide open Mahomes was stuck.

Seahawk Sailor wrote:Mahomes had a golden opportunity to lose to Tom Brady with an interception at the goal line with seconds left to play, but he blew through all his interceptions too early.

True but Tampa defense did not blow a 10 point lead with 9 minutes to go.

John63 wrote:

Seahawk Sailor wrote:Mahomes had a golden opportunity to lose to Tom Brady with an interception at the goal line with seconds left to play, but he blew through all his interceptions too early.

True but Tampa defense did not blow a 10 point lead with 9 minutes to go.

No broken limbs either.

If you have a fantastic OL, your QB is going to excel. You don't have to be a Russell Wilson or Patrick Mahomes. With top tier protection ANY QB will fair pretty well. With top tier protection for a top 3 QB? Unstoppable. Russ has never had that luxury. NEVER.

Imagine how many Super Bowls we would have won by now if Russell didn't have to run for his life on every snap.

Seahawk Sailor wrote:

John63 wrote:

Seahawk Sailor wrote:Mahomes had a golden opportunity to lose to Tom Brady with an interception at the goal line with seconds left to play, but he blew through all his interceptions too early.

True but Tampa defense did not blow a 10 point lead with 9 minutes to go.

No broken limbs either.

And no playing prevent

Yes Mahomes was running for his life and looked a lot like Russell last night...but that’s about the only similarity... and I love how the media just basically says Mahomes is the G.O.A.T already .... first Russ has been doing the same stuff all the crazy throws , running around spinning out of sacks way longer , but no love ever for Wilson ... But one thing I know for sure the biggest difference between Russ and Patty is there is no way in hell Russ wouldn’t at least of gotten one touch down or more and would at least of gotten us in a position to tie or win the game at the end ...

Mahomes was bad last night, but he was never allowed to find a rhythm. Everytime the defense was about to give him the ball back the refs threw a flag sustaining Tampas drive. The NFL wanted that Tom Brady fairytale and they made sure they got it.

This game wasn't about the best QB . It was about which team had the best lines on both sides of the ball .

pittpnthrs wrote:Mahomes was bad last night, but he was never allowed to find a rhythm. Everytime the defense was about to give him the ball back the refs threw a flag sustaining Tampas drive. The NFL wanted that Tom Brady fairytale and they made sure they got it.

^
Brady has been carried across the finish line 7 times . LOL

xray wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:Mahomes was bad last night, but he was never allowed to find a rhythm. Everytime the defense was about to give him the ball back the refs threw a flag sustaining Tampas drive. The NFL wanted that Tom Brady fairytale and they made sure they got it.

^
Brady has been carried across the finish line 7 times . LOL

Well aware as is everybody. Thanks for the reminder,,,,I guess.

Maelstrom787 wrote:Absolutely horrible job by Reid and Bieniemy to adjust. That's honestly worse than pretty much any failure to adjust from Seattle that I've seen going back to the 2018 WC vs. Dallas.

Nailed it. No adjustments at all from KC coming out of halftime. They just kept looking deep all game long. TB was beating your edges into oblivion and you don't adjust your game plan to try to help your blockers? Where was the Chiefs team that thrived on gimmicky misdirections and little dump-offs that get 50 YAC? It makes you wonder how much of the Britt Reid situation was looming over that team and Andy Reid.

The only time Russ has had a top 10 Oline they went to a couple superbowls.

xray wrote:This game wasn't about the best QB . It was about which team had the best lines on both sides of the ball .

This.

It wasn't about Brady or Mahomes. It was about the Bucs D line annihilating the Chiefs O line all game long. The Bucs D line was the MVP of that Super Bowl, and it wasn't close.

LT Trent Williams, 2 time Super Bowl Champ who handled Aaron Donald LG Thuney, and All Pro Center Corey Linsley, all 3 players hitting Free Agency. Now you know why Schneider didn’t sign any Free Agents to long term deals last year!!! You have to look forward when planning your acquisition strategy. Seattle is in the best cap situation in 2021 because we don’t have any “must haves” to sign in 2021 & our top players are signed thru 2022. 2022 Seattle has the 5th most available cap space with their Franchise QB & Franchise Defensive player signed. The 4 teams above us don’t have a Franchise QB signed!! To figure out how much cap space we have available in 2021 you must look at 2022. If you use 185 million as a cap for both 2021 & 2022, Seattle can rearrange 98 million if you factor in final year contracts of Lockett, Brown, etc....


Don’t forget Seattle could tag CB Griffith for 10 million then trade him to NE for CB Gilmore or trade slot CB D.J. Reed for an outside CB with another team. Seattle has lots of trade able assets for picks or players. The Cap reduction will not only shrink the buyers market but it will increase the number of stars on the market & increase the number of young players who finished rookie contracts on teams who cannot resign them (Saints Trey Hendrickson 13.5 sacks & 25 QB hits in 2020).

In 2021 Seattle is sitting in a Prime Position that no team has had in the history of the league!!! Now you know why Schneider is in such high demand. Furthermore Schneider couldn’t leave because this is a once in a life time Free agent Market & RW being in last 3 years of his contract demands Seahawks “go for it” in FA.

Steve Hawk wrote:The only time Russ has had a top 10 Oline they went to a couple superbowls.

I'd say it's a pretty massive stretch to call the SB lines top 10.

Thepeelsessions wrote:

Maelstrom787 wrote:Absolutely horrible job by Reid and Bieniemy to adjust. That's honestly worse than pretty much any failure to adjust from Seattle that I've seen going back to the 2018 WC vs. Dallas.

Nailed it. No adjustments at all from KC coming out of halftime. They just kept looking deep all game long. TB was beating your edges into oblivion and you don't adjust your game plan to try to help your blockers? Where was the Chiefs team that thrived on gimmicky misdirections and little dump-offs that get 50 YAC? It makes you wonder how much of the Britt Reid situation was looming over that team and Andy Reid.

Makes more sense than anything else, honestly. This is a staff known for adjusting to beat you in several ways, and they just... didn't.

Welshers wrote:Mahomes had no time to pass today and as a result looked the way Russ has. People saying Russ sucks just look at this game today. Even Patrick Mahomes couldn't score a TD with zero time in the pocket. And people will still consider him the best player in the Leauge. If anything this game just shows how important pass blocking is. We need to get better at it. It's not Russ and it was never Russ. He is still a top 5 player in the NFL if we can give him time to throw.

Watching the game yesterday I had exactly the same thoughts. The Hawks truly need to work on strengthening the interior OLine as it is the obliteration of the pocket that constantly forces RW to be on the move. As well D'd have learned to 'spy him' and be patient with their edge rush as he is somewhat predictable in how he try' to escape.

A lot of credit needs to go the Tampa's DLine who harassed Mahommes all game and he was constantly on the run..

jerseyhawk wrote:Yes Mahomes was running for his life and looked a lot like Russell last night...but that’s about the only similarity... and I love how the media just basically says Mahomes is the G.O.A.T already .... first Russ has been doing the same stuff all the crazy throws , running around spinning out of sacks way longer , but no love ever for Wilson ... But one thing I know for sure the biggest difference between Russ and Patty is there is no way in hell Russ wouldn’t at least of gotten one touch down or more and would at least of gotten us in a position to tie or win the game at the end ...

Thank you! I dont know WHAT these posters are talking about. It's like seahawks fans caught a case of amnesia. Russell Wilson would have trailed for 3 quarters and put it in OT by the 4th. And yall know that, especially since Russell has to make up for 2014.

Steve Hawk wrote:The only time Russ has had a top 10 Oline they went to a couple superbowls.

Actually they were top 10 in run blocking and bottom 10 in pass blocking.

John63 wrote:

Steve Hawk wrote:The only time Russ has had a top 10 Oline they went to a couple superbowls.

Actually they were top 10 in run blocking and bottom 10 in pass blocking.

So normal for Seattle under Carroll.

Wilson would have been much better operating under what Mahomes did, he throws on the run better, he is used to the scramble drill. He plays against good defensive lines 8 times a year minimum.

Off-season FA needs.

OL, OL and more OL.

DL

That game looked VERY much like a Hawks game w/the QB running for his life.
Russ basically "sucks" when he has a game like that. By comparison, when Mahomes has a crap game, the excuses come out for him.
And no, I'm not saying Russ is as good as Mahomes. Mahomes is the best in the game imo.
But the double standards are ridiculous. Mahomes ran for his life and had one of his worst ever games. But he was still out there giving every last bit of what he had left. Sure looked a lot like what we have see from #3 here....
The Chiefs got dominated in the trenches, and the QB has zero help. We have seen that movie many times....

Mahommes looked worse than Wilson operating under similar offensive line conditions. To me, that confirms Wilson is a better QB because he can do more with less.

Nah, Russ isn't allowed to do the exact same thing that Mahomes just did. That will never change.

SoulfishHawk wrote:That game looked VERY much like a Hawks game w/the QB running for his life.
Russ basically "sucks" when he has a game like that. By comparison, when Mahomes has a crap game, the excuses come out for him.
And no, I'm not saying Russ is as good as Mahomes. Mahomes is the best in the game imo.
But the double standards are ridiculous. Mahomes ran for his life and had one of his worst ever games. But he was still out there giving every last bit of what he had left. Sure looked a lot like what we have see from #3 here....
The Chiefs got dominated in the trenches, and the QB has zero help. We have seen that movie many times....

Chiefs offense had a couple of bad games all season.

Hawks offense had a stretch of consistently bad games.

Apples and oranges.

hoxrox wrote:

SoulfishHawk wrote:That game looked VERY much like a Hawks game w/the QB running for his life.
Russ basically "sucks" when he has a game like that. By comparison, when Mahomes has a crap game, the excuses come out for him.
And no, I'm not saying Russ is as good as Mahomes. Mahomes is the best in the game imo.
But the double standards are ridiculous. Mahomes ran for his life and had one of his worst ever games. But he was still out there giving every last bit of what he had left. Sure looked a lot like what we have see from #3 here....
The Chiefs got dominated in the trenches, and the QB has zero help. We have seen that movie many times....

Chiefs offense had a couple of bad games all season.

Hawks offense had a stretch of consistently bad games.

Apples and oranges.

Ahh no its not, even on our offenses first bad game Wilson caught hell, Mahomes does it no problem. The reality is I do check other teams boards, Wilson is treated worse by his fan base than any other top QB. Its so bad other teams fans laugh at us about how we treat our own players.

I tried, it's like performing surgery on yourself. FFS, this place is a joke sometimes.

SoulfishHawk wrote:That game looked VERY much like a Hawks game w/the QB running for his life.
Russ basically "sucks" when he has a game like that. By comparison, when Mahomes has a crap game, the excuses come out for him.
And no, I'm not saying Russ is as good as Mahomes. Mahomes is the best in the game imo.
But the double standards are ridiculous. Mahomes ran for his life and had one of his worst ever games. But he was still out there giving every last bit of what he had left. Sure looked a lot like what we have see from #3 here....
The Chiefs got dominated in the trenches, and the QB has zero help. We have seen that movie many times....

Russell is definitely and plays in the toughest division. Mahomes plays in the AFC bruh lol. What competition does he have? And the one game where he had serious competition, mahomes folded. Russell Wilson is better. And no, I dont wanna hear about stats.

fenderbender123 wrote:Mahommes looked worse than Wilson operating under similar offensive line conditions. To me, that confirms Wilson is a better QB because he can do more with less.

THANK YOU!

Look, Russ is my favorite player in the league. But come on, he's not better than Patrick Mahomes at this point.
And that's fine, he's still top 5 in the league.

during the super bowl, mahomes actually lost his mechanics.. he was really rattled. wilson has never lost poise to any degree near that...

maybe the chiefs' entire squad was 'off' because of britt reid's auto accident...

People here drinking too much of the Russel Wilson magic water.

The Hawks offensive line is built to run the ball the team averaged 4.8 yards a carry. We know that is what Pete wants running he won a SB with it and strong defense. When teams went double high safety why didn't the team run the ball.
Attempting to throw deep against double high safety is just plain ignorant with a below average pass blocking offensive line to boot.