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  • No doubt. They've done a lot of good things over the years, but this one just flat out didn't work.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:No doubt. They've done a lot of good things over the years, but this one just flat out didn't work.


    Agreed.
    This pick was just a reach that didn't pan out.

    Who knows, maybe he breaks out this season and we regret not exercising the 5th year option. Maybe we trade him for some 2022 draft pick(s).

    Live and learn.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:No doubt. They've done a lot of good things over the years, but this one just flat out didn't work.



    Irony at it's finest, Chubb was the riskier pick coming out due to his college knee injury. Yet in the pros penny is the one who got hurt. Some times that's just football. The diff between bust and pro bowl isn't ability it's availability.
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  • Absolutely, Penny wasn't an injury concern at all in College. Sometimes you just swing and miss. And all front offices do. Now, their 1st round recent history...........ouch.
    But, can't do anything about it but move forward. They do a very good job of making up for it imo.
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  • Is it just me or has Penny never looked in shape? I know know I shouldn't judge but standing next to Carson one is a grown man, the other a guy who looks like a dude who enjoys pizza.

    Sometimes I think this is the other reason he can't get to the next level in his career. Imagine his speed, talent combined with optimal nutrition/conditioning. Maybe he hits that this year.
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  • Just because they decline the option doesn't men they don't resign him, lower chances if someone else offers a bank roll, but few teams would offer him a payday on the 5th year based on his performance over the first 4.

    Also the have a few others in queue to step up, they two F.A. they picked up, one of them is a clone of Carson if he can get healthy.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Just because they decline the option doesn't men they don't resign him, lower chances if someone else offers a bank roll, but few teams would offer him a payday on the 5th year based on his performance over the first 4.

    Also the have a few others in queue to step up, they two F.A. they picked up, one of them is a clone of Carson if he can get healthy.


    I was thinking the same thing Chris, except the 5th year option would've "only" been $4.5 million.

    Maybe thats too much for a running back. The team definitely thought it was too much for him.

    If he balls out this year and they bring him back on a cheaper contract, that's cool. But I speculate if declining his 5th year would upset him to not want to resign here.
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  • They must have other concerns regarding things going on behind the scenes. Picking up the 5th year option would have given them two full years, in theory, to see if he can stay healthy.

    This appears the team is going to go cheap at running back going forward.
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  • They rarely pick up a 5th year option. This was to be expected.
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  • nwHawk wrote:They rarely pick up a 5th year option. This was to be expected.


    Well, to be fair, we haven't necessarily had a 1st round pick worthy of the 5th year option.

    Hopefully Brooks will get the 5th year option when his time comes
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  • This announcement is hardly any surprise.

    Penny has not justified his draft position.

    They are paying Carson but won't commit to paying Penny until he demonstrates his value.
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  • jammerhawk wrote:They are paying Carson but won't commit to paying Penny until he demonstrates his value.


    There's definitely a chance that they'll... separate entirely.

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  • Not picking up his option may increase his "want to" this season; it could be a powerful motivator to get right in terms of weight/size, weight-room, and mindset.

    He needs to post good numbers and put his game into high gear, making the most of every touch, if he is going to get another payday. I think he's on alert now.
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  • Carson
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    Penny has competition, Emmons may surprise everyone.
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  • Feel bad for him. He was really starting to break out in year 2. He looked like our #1....
    Than came the injury. Typically a player is only a shell of himself year 1 back from that. So good chance he has big year this year. But also good chance that injury hampers his running style of cut back.
    Firmly believe he would've been great , but that's the cruel world of an athlete
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  • Penny was drafted before Nick Chubb cause Seattle thought Penny was less injury prone. Funny how it didn’t work out for Penny but Chubb is a star!
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  • I am shocked, I tell ya, shocked. One of the worst picks on recent Seahawk history seeing how Chubb was there and much higher rated. Our front office is just stupid on draft days with very very few exceptions.
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  • JayhawkMike wrote:I am shocked, I tell ya, shocked. One of the worst picks on recent Seahawk history seeing how Chubb was there and much higher rated. Our front office is just stupid on draft days with very very few exceptions.


    >Seahawks pick Malik McDowell, who was rated highly and falling due to other concerns
    "There they go, picking guys with red flags"

    >Seahawks pass on Chubb, who has a massive medical red flag
    "Stupid front office, passing highly rated guys because their knee looked like a bowl of spaghetti after being pulverized in college"

    Damned if they do, damned if they don't by Captain Hindsight here. At least criticize the pick based on valid process reasons instead of hindsight.

    It was dumb because they took a running back high. Not because they passed on the guy whose knee looked like a crash test dummy mannequins after a crash test.
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  • Was a reach of a pick to begin with. Injury didn't help but this is a bust scenario
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  • I don't believe we've picked up a fifth year option since Earl and he was drafted in 2010. Speaks to how poorly our first rounders have been.

    Didn't like the Penny pick, but I wanted Sony Michel, who hasn't really been any better.
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:I am shocked, I tell ya, shocked. One of the worst picks on recent Seahawk history seeing how Chubb was there and much higher rated. Our front office is just stupid on draft days with very very few exceptions.


    >Seahawks pick Malik McDowell, who was rated highly and falling due to other concerns
    "There they go, picking guys with red flags"

    >Seahawks pass on Chubb, who has a massive medical red flag
    "Stupid front office, passing highly rated guys because their knee looked like a bowl of spaghetti after being pulverized in college"

    Damned if they do, damned if they don't by Captain Hindsight here. At least criticize the pick based on valid process reasons instead of hindsight.

    It was dumb because they took a running back high. Not because they passed on the guy whose knee looked like a crash test dummy mannequins after a crash test.



    I called the bad Penny pick that night and have stayed consistent ever since.

    I was not one bashing on the MM pick at the time though there really were red flags.
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  • Rat wrote:I don't believe we've picked up a fifth year option since Earl and he was drafted in 2010. Speaks to how poorly our first rounders have been.

    Didn't like the Penny pick, but I wanted Sony Michel, who hasn't really been any better.


    IIRC, the 5th year option did not apply to Earl....though he likely would have been picked up. The 5th year option was agreed to in the 2011 CBA.

    The Penny situation was probably nothing more than a business decision. If the team did pick up his 5th year option, he would have been guaranteed around $4.5 mill in 2022. That is a hard pill to swallow for someone with a a serious injury that took him out of the 2019 season and a lot of the 2020 season.
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  • JayhawkMike wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:I am shocked, I tell ya, shocked. One of the worst picks on recent Seahawk history seeing how Chubb was there and much higher rated. Our front office is just stupid on draft days with very very few exceptions.


    >Seahawks pick Malik McDowell, who was rated highly and falling due to other concerns
    "There they go, picking guys with red flags"

    >Seahawks pass on Chubb, who has a massive medical red flag
    "Stupid front office, passing highly rated guys because their knee looked like a bowl of spaghetti after being pulverized in college"

    Damned if they do, damned if they don't by Captain Hindsight here. At least criticize the pick based on valid process reasons instead of hindsight.

    It was dumb because they took a running back high. Not because they passed on the guy whose knee looked like a crash test dummy mannequins after a crash test.



    I appreciate the free space in your head. It is very roomy in here.

    I called the bad Penny pick that night and have stayed consistent ever since. Your mayfly memory may not remember.

    I was not one bashing on the MM pick at the time though there really were red flags.

    Why don’t you take a break responding to me since you make yourself look foolish every time. You are a little bit of a joke here already.


    It's alright, you'll get over it until the next mention of Penny comes up for you to say the same exact thing on again.

    PS, you're lying.

    JayhawkMike wrote:Malik was just more in a string of arrogant moves by the Seahawks.

    Instead of taking an obvious choice and putting them in their natural position they take a flyer on a player with some pre-draft concerns thinking that they are smarter than everyone else. They keep swinging for the fences and have been striking out at an alarming rate. They need to just go for some singles and doubles and build a more solid team.
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  • Nunya_ wrote:
    Rat wrote:I don't believe we've picked up a fifth year option since Earl and he was drafted in 2010. Speaks to how poorly our first rounders have been.

    Didn't like the Penny pick, but I wanted Sony Michel, who hasn't really been any better.


    IIRC, the 5th year option did not apply to Earl....though he likely would have been picked up. The 5th year option was agreed to in the 2011 CBA.

    The Penny situation was probably nothing more than a business decision. If the team did pick up his 5th year option, he would have been guaranteed around $4.5 mill in 2022. That is a hard pill to swallow for someone with a a serious injury that took him out of the 2019 season and a lot of the 2020 season.


    Ah, had the year of the CBA wrong in my head. Thanks for the correction.

    I wonder if we're the only team to not pick up a fifth-year option yet? Hopefully Collier or Brooks ends up being worth it.
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  • Rat wrote:
    Nunya_ wrote:
    Rat wrote:I don't believe we've picked up a fifth year option since Earl and he was drafted in 2010. Speaks to how poorly our first rounders have been.

    Didn't like the Penny pick, but I wanted Sony Michel, who hasn't really been any better.


    IIRC, the 5th year option did not apply to Earl....though he likely would have been picked up. The 5th year option was agreed to in the 2011 CBA.

    The Penny situation was probably nothing more than a business decision. If the team did pick up his 5th year option, he would have been guaranteed around $4.5 mill in 2022. That is a hard pill to swallow for someone with a a serious injury that took him out of the 2019 season and a lot of the 2020 season.


    Ah, had the year of the CBA wrong in my head. Thanks for the correction.

    I wonder if we're the only team to not pick up a fifth-year option yet? Hopefully Collier or Brooks ends up being worth it.


    21 5th year options picked up.

    10 5th year options declined.

    1 player already extended.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... n-in-2022/
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  • Nunya wrote:
    Rat wrote:
    Nunya_ wrote:
    Rat wrote:I don't believe we've picked up a fifth year option since Earl and he was drafted in 2010. Speaks to how poorly our first rounders have been.

    Didn't like the Penny pick, but I wanted Sony Michel, who hasn't really been any better.


    IIRC, the 5th year option did not apply to Earl....though he likely would have been picked up. The 5th year option was agreed to in the 2011 CBA.

    The Penny situation was probably nothing more than a business decision. If the team did pick up his 5th year option, he would have been guaranteed around $4.5 mill in 2022. That is a hard pill to swallow for someone with a a serious injury that took him out of the 2019 season and a lot of the 2020 season.


    Ah, had the year of the CBA wrong in my head. Thanks for the correction.

    I wonder if we're the only team to not pick up a fifth-year option yet? Hopefully Collier or Brooks ends up being worth it.


    21 5th year options picked up.

    10 5th year options declined.

    1 player already extended.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... n-in-2022/


    Sorry, I meant are we the only team to never pick up a fifth year option?
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  • One interesting feature of the list Nunya and I linked to is that most of the bottom 15 picks were not picked up, while nearly all of the top of the draft were.

    Either there is a serious cut-off in talent after about 17 (15-20 somewhere), or there is financial benefit in not picking up the 5th year on those at the bottom of the first round.

    Comparing Penny to Chubb in this case is silly. Comparing Penny to Sony Michel is much more appropriate.
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  • Rat wrote:
    Nunya wrote:
    Rat wrote:
    Nunya_ wrote:
    IIRC, the 5th year option did not apply to Earl....though he likely would have been picked up. The 5th year option was agreed to in the 2011 CBA.

    The Penny situation was probably nothing more than a business decision. If the team did pick up his 5th year option, he would have been guaranteed around $4.5 mill in 2022. That is a hard pill to swallow for someone with a a serious injury that took him out of the 2019 season and a lot of the 2020 season.


    Ah, had the year of the CBA wrong in my head. Thanks for the correction.

    I wonder if we're the only team to not pick up a fifth-year option yet? Hopefully Collier or Brooks ends up being worth it.


    21 5th year options picked up.

    10 5th year options declined.

    1 player already extended.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... n-in-2022/


    Sorry, I meant are we the only team to never pick up a fifth year option?


    My bad. If I used a little reading comprehension, I would have seen that.
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  • https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1380422/clayton-seahawks-rashaad-penny-5th-option/

    Clayton article on the same topic. He makes good points about first rounders: 'the shelf' where first rounders are no longer blue chip prospects, the 5th year seldom coming into play, and fans unreasonable expectations for first rounders in the latter half of the round.

    Truth is, unless Penny really balls out this year, we can have him back in 2022 for a lot less that his $4.5M option.
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  • Pats declined the 5th year on Sony Micheal.
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