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Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:13 am
  • Um…….. Not good for the Hawks. They keep loading up. DAMN!
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:23 am
  • zchurch74 wrote:Um…….. Not good for the Hawks. They keep loading up. DAMN!

    Seen that earlier.

    Always thought Miller would eventually move on from Denver.

    Oh, well, maybe Geno, can be permanent QB so Russ won’t take anymore hits and get injured from the Rams…lol
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:29 am
  • Wow! The Rams get Von Miller for 2 day 2 2022 draft picks. That's a bargain for the Rams. Denver must have not wanted him. Really surprising they got so little for him.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:35 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Wow! The Rams get Von Miller for 2 day 2 2022 draft picks. That's a bargain for the Rams. Denver must have not wanted him. Really surprising they got so little for him.

    Cutting their losses.

    Denver trading him now is better than Miller getting injured and older and then releasing him and getting nothing in return.

    PC can learn a lot from the Rams but chooses not too.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:45 am
  • Maybe the Seahawks can give up a their 2022 4th round pick and LJ Collier to the Broncos for Melvin Gordon. If Von Miller can be had for day 2 picks...
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:45 am
  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:PC can learn a lot from the Rams but chooses not too.


    He did listen to that lesson about first round picks being overrated.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:56 am
  • Rams got suckered with an over the hill, injury prone LB.

    "I will play well in this game. ... I'm going to have a great game," Miller told reporters. "I don't know who the tackle I'm going against is, but I'm going to kill him."

    But the Browns, playing with a backup quarterback and third-string running back, won 17-14, and Miller left the game in the second quarter after injuring his ankle. He had two tackles and one quarterback hit.

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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:59 am
  • zchurch74 wrote:Um…….. Not good for the Hawks. They keep loading up. DAMN!


    They have a legitimate shot at the SB this year and are going all-in, good for them. The Hawks have a CHANCE to make it in as a wild card. All this does is perhaps make it even harder for the Hawks to get into the playoffs this year. But this isn't a team that historically ever shown that it can win two road playoffs games in a row (not even dreaming of three), so the Rams blockbuster trade doesn't mean much to me. And if anything shows historically what comes up also comes down, so ideally if the Rams are going up and the Hawks are down right now. Maybe when the Rams are going down, the Hawks will be coming up so that'll be a nice case of timing vs two teams battling it at their peaks in the same division.


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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:06 am
  • ivotuk wrote:Rams got suckered with an over the hill, injury prone LB.

    "I will play well in this game. ... I'm going to have a great game," Miller told reporters. "I don't know who the tackle I'm going against is, but I'm going to kill him."

    But the Browns, playing with a backup quarterback and third-string running back, won 17-14, and Miller left the game in the second quarter after injuring his ankle. He had two tackles and one quarterback hit.

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    Miller would be the sack leader on our defense the minute he stepped into the locker room if we traded for him.

    He's already got 4.5 sacks, and I don't even think he's played all his usual snaps.

    IMO he'll be a monster in the Ram's D-line rotation, he won't have to carry the team like he's used to in Denver.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:49 am
  • Rams look to have some luck along with being a very good team. Sometimes the cards just align your way. Derrick Henry was injured yesterday and is out for the next game, which is against the Rams. He could be possibly out the rest of season. Too bad he wasn't out of the game in the second half of week 2.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:05 pm
  • Wow Denver got a great deal for Von. 2 high drafts picks for 9 games that's a lot of draft capital to acquire for an aging free agent at the end of the year. If the Rams don't win the super bowl this year then it's a loss for them.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:06 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Rams look to have some luck along with being a very good team. Sometimes the cards just align your way. Derrick Henry was injured yesterday and is out for the next game, which is against the Rams. He could be possibly out the rest of season. Too bad he wasn't out of the game in the second half of week 2.

    Cooper Kupp is also having a phenomenal year with Stafford.

    Sometimes it just works out for them.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Final 4 from the NFC are the Cards, Pack, Rams and Bucs.

    It would be a helluva playoff!

    Gotta call it how it is, these teams are playing really well (although the Bucs loss yesterday).
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:28 pm
  • They will let Miller heal, with Donald they can't double team him very easy either, it will open the doors for much more pressure and he has the speed to chase down Wilson and Murray still, they have to get into the playoffs and or win the division first, they just set the table to do that and do more damage after. One year rental maybe, but also seriously stepped up QB pressures.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:52 pm
  • According to my calculations the Rams now have a 5th and two 7ths in the 22 draft. Looks like they are going all in. In '23, they only have a 2,3,and a 7. Restocking their roster going forward may be difficult at best. Not sure about their cap room to add free agents, but I'm guessing not much based on some of the marquee names they have.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:54 pm
  • Apparently, General Manager Les Snead is among those that think draft picks are a bit overvalued. Much better to acquire a known value than projects that may or may not develop and fit in.

    Matt Stafford has sure been a plus addition.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:19 pm
  • If the Rams overtake the Cards, isn't that good for us?

    We aren't winning the division anyway.

    But if the Rams win the division and get the playoff bye, it means we don't have any chance to have to play them as a wildcard - at least not until the divisional game.

    Isn't that a good thing?

    We aren't beating the Rams anyway, so ducking them seems like one of the best options.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:30 pm
  • Jville wrote:Apparently, General Manager Les Snead is among those that think draft picks are a bit overvalued. Much better to acquire a known value than projects that may or may not develop and fit in.

    Matt Stafford has sure been a plus addition.

    Difference being the Rams trades are for players at premium positions, who are actually great fits. And they don't seem to overpay like the Hawks.

    Duane Brown was obv a great trade tho
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:38 pm
  • oldhawkfan wrote:According to my calculations the Rams now have a 5th and two 7ths in the 22 draft. Looks like they are going all in. In '23, they only have a 2,3,and a 7. Restocking their roster going forward may be difficult at best. Not sure about their cap room to add free agents, but I'm guessing not much based on some of the marquee names they have.


    Cap room really doesn't matter anymore in the NFL. It is extremely easy to move money around, It would take $1Billion dollars plus in guarantees to tap an NFL team out, if you follow the math, and looked to bend and stretch it as far as it could possibly go. The salary cap is a joke.

    If the Rams win the Superbowl they have over $40M in cap hits at the QB position on their salary cap. (Goff's dead money + Stafford's cap hit.) That should when looking at in on the surface level, gimp them, but it in reality it clearly doesn't.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:52 pm
  • It appears clear that the Rams are going ‘all in’ this season. It is also clear that they will eventually find themselves a tad hamstrung by their cap situation but as has been observed here the cap can be manipulated to work around the problem but with no draft picks and an expensive aging roster that problem will not be as easy to work around.

    Not sure though that Miller has that much juice left in the tank, he looked pretty much washed up against Cleveland last game and is hurt.

    It will be interesting to observe what if any moves JS will make before tomorrow afternoon, Frankly oam not really expecting that much to happen even with >}$13 million in available cap.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:58 pm
  • jammerhawk wrote:It appears clear that the Rams are going ‘all in’ this season. It is also clear that they will eventually find themselves a tad hamstrung by their cap situation but as has been observed here the cap can be manipulated to work around the problem but with no draft picks and an expensive aging roster that problem will not be as easy to work around.

    Not sure though that Miller has that much juice left in the tank, he looked pretty much washed up against Cleveland last game and is hurt.

    It will be interesting to observe what if any moves JS will make before tomorrow afternoon, Frankly oam not really expecting that much to happen even with >}$13 million in available cap.


    I agree... I don't think there is much out there that is really going to help this team more than the players they have...I think its more that they have to start playing together as a unit... I think that's happening right now GB is going to be a good benchmark where this team is currently at...

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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:42 pm
  • jammerhawk wrote:It appears clear that the Rams are going ‘all in’ this season. It is also clear that they will eventually find themselves a tad hamstrung by their cap situation but as has been observed here the cap can be manipulated to work around the problem but with no draft picks and an expensive aging roster that problem will not be as easy to work around..


    Haven't we been saying this about the Rams for 3-4 years?

    - Oh just wait until they have to pay Goff
    - traded for Ramsey, oh just wait until they have to pay him
    - Leonard Floyd, Whitworth, Woods, Donald's new contract

    Now they traded for Stafford and Miller, and we're still saying "oh just wait!"

    Nah, good teams know what players are worth leveraging your cap and future picks for, and desperate teams like us keep making the wrong big trades over and over. Harvin, Graham, Brown to an extent and now Adams. Dumb.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:48 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    jammerhawk wrote:It appears clear that the Rams are going ‘all in’ this season. It is also clear that they will eventually find themselves a tad hamstrung by their cap situation but as has been observed here the cap can be manipulated to work around the problem but with no draft picks and an expensive aging roster that problem will not be as easy to work around..


    Haven't we been saying this about the Rams for 3-4 years?

    - Oh just wait until they have to pay Goff
    - traded for Ramsey, oh just wait until they have to pay him
    - Leonard Floyd, Whitworth, Woods, Donald's new contract

    Now they traded for Stafford and Miller, and we're still saying "oh just wait!"

    Nah, good teams know what players are worth leveraging your cap and future picks for, and desperate teams like us keep making the wrong big trades over and over. Harvin, Graham, Brown to an extent and now Adams. Dumb.



    it will be interesting to see what the JA trade looks like in 2-3 years... I think its early to make that judgement...


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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:24 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    jammerhawk wrote:It appears clear that the Rams are going ‘all in’ this season. It is also clear that they will eventually find themselves a tad hamstrung by their cap situation but as has been observed here the cap can be manipulated to work around the problem but with no draft picks and an expensive aging roster that problem will not be as easy to work around..


    Haven't we been saying this about the Rams for 3-4 years?

    - Oh just wait until they have to pay Goff
    - traded for Ramsey, oh just wait until they have to pay him
    - Leonard Floyd, Whitworth, Woods, Donald's new contract

    Now they traded for Stafford and Miller, and we're still saying "oh just wait!"

    Nah, good teams know what players are worth leveraging your cap and future picks for, and desperate teams like us keep making the wrong big trades over and over. Harvin, Graham, Brown to an extent and now Adams. Dumb.


    Exactly. The Rams demise should've already happened two years ago. But it hasn't because people way over value "cap space."

    It's not how much cap space you have, but how you allocate it. The Seahawks have done a poor job over the last 5 years. The Rams have done a great job the last 5 years. That is the difference.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:32 pm
  • Another thing to note is the broncos are picking up 9 million of millers 9.7 cap hit, so the rams get him for less than a mill. Overall id say its a good trade for a team looking to legitimately compete for a title.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:45 pm
  • Lawke wrote:Another thing to note is the broncos are picking up 9 million of millers 9.7 cap hit, so the rams get him for less than a mill. Overall id say its a good trade for a team looking to legitimately compete for a title.

    Not really noteworthy since Miller's cap had already been figured in to this season and budgeted for, hence they really lose nothing but rather gain a substantial amount of draft capital in the process.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:52 pm
  • Yep, if there is one lesson we've learned repeatedly in the modern NFL, it's that "cap hell" is more overrated than the PAC-12. It's not the NBA where you have fully guaranteed contracts and have to match salary on trades; there's always a way to manipulate the cap to create more room.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:19 pm
  • ivotuk wrote:Rams got suckered with an over the hill, injury prone LB.

    "I will play well in this game. ... I'm going to have a great game," Miller told reporters. "I don't know who the tackle I'm going against is, but I'm going to kill him."

    But the Browns, playing with a backup quarterback and third-string running back, won 17-14, and Miller left the game in the second quarter after injuring his ankle. He had two tackles and one quarterback hit.

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    You think? Von Miller was AFC Defensive Player of the month in September, this season. He will be part of a rotation that was already good before he came and the Rams defensive system is Vic Fangio based, which is what Miller has been in for a while (no learning curve). The rec3nt ankle injury may, or may not be legit, since Snead has been working on this trade for more than a week. If you remember, Ramsey supposedly injured before his trade to the Rams...
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:33 pm
  • Interesting details ......................

    The actual trade here is Von Miller and $9 million in cash for a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Miller still had $9.72 million in salary remaining this year which was going to be too much for almost any team to absorb. The Rams had around $5 million in cap room and basically got the Broncos to eat almost the entire contract. I would assume that Denver will convert $9 million of salary to a bonus today and change his P5 to a base rate of $1.3 million which would prorate out to $722,222, which is the salary and cap space that the Rams will need for the trade. Considering that Miller will replace someone on the roster that makes the net cost to the Rams no more than $355K.


    There is more via this link >>> https://overthecap.com/rams-acquire-von-miller/ Enjoy :biggthumpup:
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:18 pm
  • Short term Winn for the Rams if he can stay on the field, long term loss as they are trading away future draft picks.
    I’m surprised they had any left to trade away.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:27 pm
  • oldhawkfan wrote:According to my calculations the Rams now have a 5th and two 7ths in the 22 draft. Looks like they are going all in. In '23, they only have a 2,3,and a 7. Restocking their roster going forward may be difficult at best. Not sure about their cap room to add free agents, but I'm guessing not much based on some of the marquee names they have.

    They expect to be getting 5 COMP picks for losing FA’s, a fourth and 4 six rounders, is what I read somewhere.
    It’s an ALL IN move, only time will tell if it backfires or works.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:37 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    oldhawkfan wrote:According to my calculations the Rams now have a 5th and two 7ths in the 22 draft. Looks like they are going all in. In '23, they only have a 2,3,and a 7. Restocking their roster going forward may be difficult at best. Not sure about their cap room to add free agents, but I'm guessing not much based on some of the marquee names they have.

    They expect to be getting 5 COMP picks for losing FA’s, a fourth and 4 six rounders, is what I read somewhere.
    It’s an ALL IN move, only time will tell if it backfires or works.


    Somewhere, PC is aggressively chewing his gum in admiration and jealousy
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:16 pm
  • MyrtleHawk wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    oldhawkfan wrote:According to my calculations the Rams now have a 5th and two 7ths in the 22 draft. Looks like they are going all in. In '23, they only have a 2,3,and a 7. Restocking their roster going forward may be difficult at best. Not sure about their cap room to add free agents, but I'm guessing not much based on some of the marquee names they have.

    They expect to be getting 5 COMP picks for losing FA’s, a fourth and 4 six rounders, is what I read somewhere.
    It’s an ALL IN move, only time will tell if it backfires or works.


    Somewhere, PC is aggressively chewing his gum in admiration and jealousy



    No he is asking John, how did they do that?
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:32 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    MyrtleHawk wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    oldhawkfan wrote:According to my calculations the Rams now have a 5th and two 7ths in the 22 draft. Looks like they are going all in. In '23, they only have a 2,3,and a 7. Restocking their roster going forward may be difficult at best. Not sure about their cap room to add free agents, but I'm guessing not much based on some of the marquee names they have.

    They expect to be getting 5 COMP picks for losing FA’s, a fourth and 4 six rounders, is what I read somewhere.
    It’s an ALL IN move, only time will tell if it backfires or works.


    Somewhere, PC is aggressively chewing his gum in admiration and jealousy



    No he is asking John, how did they do that?


    I accept that, with his clueless stare as he's listening to the voice inside his ear and partially acknowledging it while simultaneously questioning it
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:13 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    oldhawkfan wrote:According to my calculations the Rams now have a 5th and two 7ths in the 22 draft. Looks like they are going all in. In '23, they only have a 2,3,and a 7. Restocking their roster going forward may be difficult at best. Not sure about their cap room to add free agents, but I'm guessing not much based on some of the marquee names they have.

    They expect to be getting 5 COMP picks for losing FA’s, a fourth and 4 six rounders, is what I read somewhere.
    It’s an ALL IN move, only time will tell if it backfires or works.


    The maximum number of compensation picks any one team can be awarded is 4.

    I find what General Manager Les Snead is doing interesting. Snead is effectively selling two draft picks for a player while enlarging his teams cap number over the 2021 number via buying some cap room from the Broncos by having the Broncos provide their money to pay the player's services.

    The cap matters. This is an example of the how the salary cap can be creatively manipulated while using other people's money.
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:51 am
  • oldhawkfan wrote:According to my calculations the Rams now have a 5th and two 7ths in the 22 draft. Looks like they are going all in. In '23, they only have a 2,3,and a 7. Restocking their roster going forward may be difficult at best. Not sure about their cap room to add free agents, but I'm guessing not much based on some of the marquee names they have.



    Yep we will get five comp picks total - one for Holmes and then four for players lost. So as it stands right now, we would have 8 draft picks total.

    Basically the same exact draft we had this year minus a second rounder.

    Roughly 25% of our starters came from day 3 of the draft. Another aspect of this strategy is that it allows our scouts to put more time into late round guys.

    We will have six starters to re-sign (including Miller), and three offensive linemen. Considering how good our OL is, I expect the Rams to sign those three and then Von. Letting Sebastian Joseph-Day and Darious Williams go - which will likely net us two high comp picks for 2023.

    SJDs replacement is already on the roster - he's a really good player but mainly a run defender. Williams will be tougher to replace, although he's been hurt so we've been able to see what that might look like. CB would be the only position we might dip into FA for, but more likely we would sign a vet for cheap.


    The other thing about this strategy is that if we re-sign the OL, there really isnt a glaring hole on the roster, and contrary to what the media says, we've accumulated depth the last few years by drafting and developing.


    The thing that sucks in all this is that the NFC is so damn strong this year. Even with Miller and with all teams at full strength, I think the top of the NFC is too close to call
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Re: Miller to Rams!!!
Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:18 am
  • Jville wrote:The maximum number of compensation picks any one team can be awarded is 4.

    I find what General Manager Les Snead is doing interesting. Snead is effectively selling two draft picks for a player while enlarging his teams cap number over the 2021 number via buying some cap room from the Broncos by having the Broncos provide their money to pay the player's services.

    The cap matters. This is an example of the how the salary cap can be creatively manipulated while using other people's money.

    Spot on. It's about using resources and both cap & picks are separate resources. The Rams had picks but not cap space. Miller is worth X. Miller + $9M is worth X + Y.
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