Are you excited for another season of Pete?

Another year of Pete?

  • Yay

    Votes: 23 20.2%
  • Nay

    Votes: 91 79.8%

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Seahawker

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I love Pete and am ultra appreciative of what he has done here, but maybe it's time. Like many I am worried about what the future might hold, but PA & Vulcan did great last time and I think the Paul Allen Group could hit it out of the park again. It pains me to say this but it may require a full house cleaning as JS hasn't consistently put talent on the field. I know it isn't a perfect science but there have been some bad picks & costly trades, the 'mentored by Ron Wolf' history seems less shiny now.
I hope I am wrong and if they give it another shot they can find a QOTF, learn to tackle and play disciplined, smart football.
The league has changed, not sure how longer it will even be watchable.
 
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You don't have to believe me because I can be excited in whatever the hell I want. Glad I'm not as cynical as you. You have all of the top 5 worst takes in the history of this forum, so go ahead and gloat on getting this one right.

Even a broken clock as they say. It is strange you cheer against the team you're ostensibly a fan of though
I'm just trying to understand how you're excited for Re-Pete.

Looking for the compelling reasons to have such excitement for getting out schemed, poor tackling, crony coaches, high penalties, cool with punting, etc.

You say you're excited, but what are the reasons you can point to, to get folks hyped.
 

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The D really only needs linebackers and more D line imo. That dude you got from the Giants can ball, keep his ass if possible.
I honestly see the Hawks at a tipping point. It would not take a lot of resources to find a linebacker or 2 via FA, the draft or both. They are the cheapest part of a D. Better LB’s with range, a healthy Nowosu, less O line injuries, and next year could be very different.
By different I mean at least competing in the divisional playoffs or better.
Momentum snowballs both ways.
Every year is a new thing, and Pete is of course gonna give it all he has until a team sale. He’s at that stage of his life.
I honestly think the biggest need is OT and LB, and if you hit on those either in FA or in the draft, man a lot is possible with the existing overall talent level of the team.
Absolutely have to improve the run D, complimentary football just dosent work without that.
-Cptn Obvious
 

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There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Jody HAS to seel the team as outlined in Paul's will. It was never going to be put up for sale until at least June 2024 because the Seahawks would have to pay a significant part of the sale cost to the state of Washington.

But come June 2024, that contractual agreement is void. So with that out of the way, and Jody being obligated to eventually sell the team, there's fairly good reason to believe that the process of selling the team could begin as early as the summer 2024/summer 2025 time frame. This roughly corresponds with PC's contract which runs through the 2025 season.

It's not fanciful thinking with no basis in reality that things could get real interesting for the franchise sooner than people might think.
Sales of this magnitude can take a lot of time. There is no reason to think they have not already started the search or won't start it soon as long as the sale is not completed before the Summer 2024 date - which is only 6-7 months away. On top of that I think a better performing team would command a better price so I would hope the owner would pay attention. Pete has Peter Principled his way into mediocrity.
 

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No. I'm looking for well thought out reasons for how anyone can be excited for Re-Pete.

The generic, "I'm always excited for Seahawks football"! Doesn't cut the mustard.

Watching Pete get out coached again? -I'm excited!

The defense not tackling again? -I'm excited!

Crony coaches back? -Im excited!

This is an insane line of thought. And their is no way I can believe it without a hell of an explanation.
I'm not playing this game with you. I'm just going to state what you're doing here.

In the past, I've written an 1,822 word reply to you explaining my own preferred roadmap for this offseason after you described it as a "joke" and then completely misrepresented what my post said. It was on a similar polled thread created by you. The poll then was similar to this one - a completely rhetorical question that you used as a springboard not for discussion, but for the advancement of your own opinion.

My roadmap was as follows. (https://www.seahawks.net/threads/poll-the-seahawks-are-at-a-pivotal-point-in-their-history.192780/)
I chose Pete.

This is not a blind endorsement. There are obvious issues that have cropped up in recent years.

I'd like to see a wholesale slate-wiping of staff. Waldron and Dickerson out, Hurtt out, Sanjay Lal out. Retain Larry Izzo, Karl Scott, Deshawn Shead, Neiko Thorpe, BT Jordan, Carl Smith.

On my shortlist for OC would be Kevin Patullo, Frank Reich, Dan Pitcher, Jerrod Johnson, Greg Roman, and Bobby Engram.
On my shortlist for DC would be Jesse Minter, Brandon Staley, Robert Saleh, Ejiro Evero, and Joe Whitt Jr.


We've got a head start on the roster, and last time we cleaned house it was a catalyst for big improvements. We didn't have that head start in 2018, but if we had, it would've been dangerous considering how close they were to the NFCCG the next year in 2019.

Get a new staff together and be bold when it comes to securing a quarterback. Cousins, if he can be swayed, has this team competitive instantly for a few years. Draft route might be costlier in terms of overall expenditure (considering likely trade up), but cheaper on cap. I'm high on pairing Jayden Daniels with Kevin Patullo and getting sort Hurts-style magic going, but that's just my thought process.

I do not buy into the idea that no one wants these jobs one bit. Defensive coaches might give pause because it looks better on the resume to be DC under a HC with offensive background.

You proceeded to argue with me by claiming that I was saying in this post that Greg Roman and Frank Reich were schematically similar coordinators, and claimed that I had no understanding of offensive systems as a result of that claim, which I was not making in the first place.

In my 1,822 word response to every single point you made in your misguided takedown of my researched and reasoned list of options, I made it very clear that I was not claiming what you thought I was, whatsoever.

You proceeded to then claim in your NEXT response that I was saying that Greg Roman and Kirk Cousins were a schematic fit after I explicitly stated that I was not saying that any of the options at quarterback were specific fits for any of the listed offensive coordinators.

You are not reading to understand me. You are not reading these responses in detail. You're doing the Crowder meme bit by sitting there and telling people they have to change your mind before proceeding to not even attempt to engage in a real dialogue, regardless of any logic or research presented.

I've attempted in the past to engage you in good faith with responses that took hours to compose. Real effort to talk to you as an equal who also loves the game of football, also researches it in similar detail to you who just happens to have VALID disagreements with me. I've paid you the respect of putting exhaustive effort into not misrepresenting your statements and replying to them thoughtfully as face value statements. You have never repaid that effort with anything other than put-downs, condescension, misrepresentations, and strawmen.

With that said, I'm left in the position of having little to no respect for your posts, because I don't believe they're an effort to cultivate meaningful discussion. They're self-promotion and gloating, so I repay the favor with similar gloating when you're wrong. Difference is that I am fine with admitting that it's gloating, and I don't lie about being wrong when I am.

Personal excitement isn't fact, and preferred routes forward for assembling the staff and roster aren't facts. They're opinions, and you never really seem to put any effort into understanding the opinions of others rather than presenting your own as undeniable fact.

I'll be excited all I want, and I'm not "insane" for doing so.
 

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Sales of this magnitude can take a lot of time. There is no reason to think they have not already started the search or won't start it soon as long as the sale is not completed before the Summer 2024 date - which is only 6-7 months away. On top of that I think a better performing team would command a better price so I would hope the owner would pay attention. Pete has Peter Principled his way into mediocrity.
The thing is that Jody Allen has pretty much been a ghost of an owner since she became custodian of the team. But the sale of the team IS in the cards, though we only have tea-leaves to read regarding such a time frame now. But it's not at all unreasonable to think that this could be in the cards as early as next summer, or at least the more public process of it beginning there, or not far off from there.

There will be billionaire bidders for this franchise. Maybe someone like Jeff Bezos, or any number of other mega wealthy individuals. It's coming, we just don't have any clear idea as to when it might be. But the incentive becomes very real starting next summer.
 

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Just trying to get a feel for people's excitement for another season of Pete Carroll.

Poorly coached, under achievement on both sides of the ball, crony coaching staff, can't tackle, commit penalties, heavy investments in $$$$ and draft capital for little return in most instances, cool with punting, avoid the middle of the field, poor scheming, issues carry over from season to season never getting fixed.

Are you in for another year of this?
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Is a cancer patient excited for another round of chemo?
 

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Just a thought, but I wonder what the fanbase and sports media would be like if it was the New York Seahawks?
 

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this team is getting sold within 2 years.
Look at what the stock market did in 2023 and interest rates are trending down, Fed is seeing 4 cuts coming in already.
So cheaper money and an asset like the Hawks comes for sale?!? It is utterly inevitable.
A new coach isn’t a thing until Jody sells because reasons.
The discussion of a new coach is fan theater fun until then.
 

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I'll watch 3 quarters of the first game next season. If I see the same thing I've seen for the past 10 years then I'll spend the winter on the river with the fly rod - an empty backfield with 4 out routes on a 3rd and 2 , never attacking the middle of the field with your freak off nature wide receiver, run up the middle twice for 3 yards then another long developing out route.
Playing a soft zone 10 yards off the ball on a 3rd and 3.
 

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Too bad a few of us couldn't be there to ask him real questions instead of the fawning kiss ass Seattle sports media.

Is there any place in the country he‘d be treated so softly by the talking heads and still be the head coach but here?
 

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I'm already fired up for Pete's end of the year "State of the Seahawks" presser!
🌈 🦄

Can't wait!
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We're making strides in the right direction. I believe in this team and what we've got going here, a solid young nucleus of talent that is only going to get better. I'm already pumped for next year, and ready to get to work putting a team on that field that all the 12's will be excited about and proud of...blah, blah, blah...
 

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this team is getting sold within 2 years.
Look at what the stock market did in 2023 and interest rates are trending down, Fed is seeing 4 cuts coming in already.
So cheaper money and an asset like the Hawks comes for sale?!? It is utterly inevitable.
A new coach isn’t a thing until Jody sells because reasons.
The discussion of a new coach is fan theater fun until then.

I'm anticipating a 2025 to 2026 time frame for the sell of the Seahawks.
 

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I'm just trying to understand how you're excited for Re-Pete.

Looking for the compelling reasons to have such excitement for getting out schemed, poor tackling, crony coaches, high penalties, cool with punting, etc.

You say you're excited, but what are the reasons you can point to, to get folks hyped.
I'm just excited for football every year no matter what. It has nothing to do with Pete in particular. I'd be more excited with a new coach bringing in fresh things. But either way, I'm excited. If this team is a middling 8-9 team next year who plays the exact same way as they did this year, guess what? I'm excited. Because it's good entertainment and I enjoy football season. It's really as simple as that. It entertains me and I will be looking forward to it.

To answer your question, the reason I will be excited is because I will soon be able to watch my favorite team play again and I enjoy it.
 

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I'm just excited for football every year no matter what. It has nothing to do with Pete in particular. I'd be more excited with a new coach bringing in fresh things. But either way, I'm excited. If this team is a middling 8-9 team next year who plays the exact same way as they did this year, guess what? I'm excited. Because it's good entertainment and I enjoy football season. It's really as simple as that. It entertains me and I will be looking forward to it.

To answer your question, the reason I will be excited is because I will soon be able to watch my favorite team play again and I enjoy it.
absolutely god damn right.
 

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We're making strides in the right direction. I believe in this team and what we've got going here, a solid young nucleus of talent that is only going to get better. I'm already pumped for next year, and ready to get to work putting a team on that field that all the 12's will be excited about and proud of...blah, blah, blah...
"I'm so jacked about this club. We were so close. Just a play here and there and we're still playing. We some tough decisions to make and all that, but I have no doubt we're gonna get stuff fixed. We're knocking. You can just feel it."
 
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