Uh, where did I say "they will never get it"? Either you've bastardized my above comment to Mael about entrenched perspectives, or you've wholly fabricated a comment to fit your argument.It’s exactly what you’ve done to anyone who disagrees. You made the comment “they will never get it” as if anyone who disagrees is too stupid to see it your way. So it’s just me, I couldn’t care less about that it’s turned into how you talk to anyone who disagrees.
I honestly don’t believe you because if you truly thought he was in the 8-14 range you wouldn’t get mad at someone who puts him in the 12-17 range.
That's fine. If you think you can read minds—by all means—I'm just not going to waste time defending positions you believe I have that I've never stated. Call me goofy, I guess.