Is Geno Done?

[Bear-Hawk]

Geno is under contract through the 2025 season. Draft a QB in 2024. Draft another one in 2025. We are probably drafting somewhere in the middle of the round, so won’t get one of the top 2-3 on the draft board. That’s why draft two. It doubles your chances in the QB lottery game. I am not interested in doing the kind of trade the Panthers did to get Bryce Young.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

If there was a valid reason to let Geno walk I'd be on board. No it's just a bunch of fans that have been convinced since day one that Geno is a bad QB and we can't go anywhere with him. You only hear this kinda crap out of fans and the worse of the pundits, that love to talk NFL< but lack understanding of the game.

With he right tools Geno is a top ten guy. You don't let a guy like that go, after signing to a team friendly deal until you're sure you have someone better and a capable backup.

Most of you guys that want Geno gone so bad wouldn't be convinced if we won the next two Superb Owls with Geno. It's just nonsense "grass is greener" thinking.

 

[JayhawkMike]

If there was a valid reason to let Geno walk I'd be on board. No it's just a bunch of fans that have been convinced since day one that Geno is a bad QB and we can't go anywhere with him. You only hear this kinda crap out of fans and the worse of the pundits, that love to talk NFL< but lack understanding of the game.

With he right tools Geno is a top ten guy. You don't let a guy like that go, after signing to a team friendly deal until you're sure you have someone better and a capable backup.

Most of you guys that want Geno gone so bad wouldn't be convinced if we won the next two Superb Owls with Geno. It's just nonsense "grass is greener" thinking.

“If you don’t agree with me you don’t understand the game”.
LOL
What a tool.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Besides he is an average decision maker? RARELY makes plays off script, to help extends drives. Look back through the games to many times of 6-8 drives in a row resulting in nothing but punts and turnovers. Besides the point he is the worst QB in our own division, not the NFC, our division! You have to be honest with yourself, The Hawk world demands better! Think about this, people are saying oohhh he had 7 game winning drives. Well we only won 9 games so we only had 2 of 17 games in hand. Yes the Oline had health issues, and run D was bad the last half, but Geno is still a large part to us trailing most every game. No excuse with weapons he has available. Forcing it to DK at times while JSN roams wide open.

Game winning drives are bad now because Geno had one of the best seasons ever in that regard, huh? Got it.

Yeah, no. They're not bad. They weren't with Russ, and they aren't with Geno. He broke a literal record in terms of putting us up late on the merit of his arm, and now it's a bad thing that he had to do so because he should've been blowing every team out by himself with a dogshit running game and a dogshit defense. Excellent reasoning right there.

I'm tired of beating around the bush on this topic. I've remained cordial, but it's time we tell some truth. We're engaging in absolute dipshittery at this point, and we need to call a spade a spade.

You're going to believe what you believe regardless of what actually happens, no matter how many well-reasoned and evidenced points are brought up.

I mean, doesn't extend plays? Doesn't extend drives? Have you not seen the man be DEAD TO RIGHTS several times this year from the pass rush and find a way to navigate out of it while staying in the pocket? His sack mitigation metrics back this up STRONGLY.

Also, worse than Kyler? That's just straight up not true lmao. Period. You can make an argument for Brock if you rate box score stats and you can make an argument for Stafford because, well, Stafford is class.

 

[Maelstrom787]

“If you don’t agree with me you don’t understand the game”.
LOL
What a tool.

Nice quote that isn't really a quote.

 

[WarHawks]

If there was a valid reason to let Geno walk I'd be on board. No it's just a bunch of fans that have been convinced since day one that Geno is a bad QB and we can't go anywhere with him. You only hear this kinda crap out of fans and the worse of the pundits, that love to talk NFL< but lack understanding of the game.

With he right tools Geno is a top ten guy. You don't let a guy like that go, after signing to a team friendly deal until you're sure you have someone better and a capable backup.

Most of you guys that want Geno gone so bad wouldn't be convinced if we won the next two Superb Owls with Geno. It's just nonsense "grass is greener" thinking.

A 1 td per game qb who regularly goes entire halves without scoring is not the answer to anything. Top ten? Lol. No. He's a bridge qb at best. Let it go already.

 

[renofox]

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Game winning drives are bad now because Geno had one of the best seasons ever in that regard, huh? Got it.

Yeah, no. They're not bad. They weren't with Russ, and they aren't with Geno. He broke a literal record in terms of putting us up late on the merit of his arm, and now it's a bad thing that he had to do so because he should've been blowing every team out by himself with a dogshit running game and a dogshit defense. Excellent reasoning right there.

I'm tired of beating around the bush on this topic. I've remained cordial, but it's time we tell some truth. We're engaging in absolute dipshittery at this point, and we need to call a spade a spade.

You're going to believe what you believe regardless of what actually happens, no matter how many well-reasoned and evidenced points are brought up.

I mean, doesn't extend plays? Doesn't extend drives? Have you not seen the man be DEAD TO RIGHTS several times this year from the pass rush and find a way to navigate out of it while staying in the pocket? His sack mitigation metrics back this up STRONGLY.

Also, worse than Kyler? That's just straight up not true lmao. Period. You can make an argument for Brock if you rate box score stats and you can make an argument for Stafford because, well, Stafford is class.

I've been down on Geno from the middle of last season. That's when I started seeing him regress on 2 points: 1) holding the ball too often, and 2) what I call deer-in-headlights or others call brain freeze.

He was really bad to end 2023 and to start 2024. BUT, he started showing improvement before mid-season, and continued to show steady improvement the rest of the way. The only aspect of his play that dropped off was his accuracy. Specifically, his sideline and endzone balls were placed too far out too far often.

By the end of the season, Geno was playing at a top 8-10 level and had a lot more stretches of excellence. The ball-holding and deer-in-headlights moments were reduced to almost nothing.

Is he worth $23.5M next year. IMO, yes. Do we need to draft a QBOTF to replace him ASAP? IMO, yes.

He's a great bridge as long as he's not the Bridge To Nowhere he's been for the past couple years. We need him to play well for a half-season or full-season or however long it takes to get a QBOTF up the NFL level.

With a new coach, it's very important to not take a huge dive and to actually win a reasonable number of games. Geno can help with that, and he can do it at a good contract price.

 

[BASF]

A 1 td per game qb who regularly goes entire halves without scoring is not the answer to anything. Top ten? Lol. No. He's a bridge qb at best. Let it go already.

You do realize that averaging two touchdowns a game is not exactly something that happens often? The past two seasons, only four total QBs have done it. If you are going to continue this crusade after Geno is gone, how long will it last? Will it last until we have a top three QB? You do realize that the odds of that are very low?

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

You do realize that averaging two touchdowns a game is not exactly something that happens often? The past two seasons, only four total QBs have done it. If you are going to continue this crusade after Geno is gone, how long will it last? Will it last until we have a top three QB? You do realize that the odds of that are very low?

The Geno hate is irrational, not based in stats or reality, and just emotionally based reaction. No he's not great, but most alternatives are significantly worse. The idea that you can't win with Geno is just crap. Sure you need a future guy, but the only free agent upgrade available is Cousins and he's just too risky and costly.

The haters are thinking emotionally, not logically or rationally...

 

[12forlife]

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Game winning drives are bad now because Geno had one of the best seasons ever in that regard, huh? Got it.

Yeah, no. They're not bad. They weren't with Russ, and they aren't with Geno. He broke a literal record in terms of putting us up late on the merit of his arm, and now it's a bad thing that he had to do so because he should've been blowing every team out by himself with a dogshit running game and a dogshit defense. Excellent reasoning right there.

I'm tired of beating around the bush on this topic. I've remained cordial, but it's time we tell some truth. We're engaging in absolute dipshittery at this point, and we need to call a spade a spade.

You're going to believe what you believe regardless of what actually happens, no matter how many well-reasoned and evidenced points are brought up.

I mean, doesn't extend plays? Doesn't extend drives? Have you not seen the man be DEAD TO RIGHTS several times this year from the pass rush and find a way to navigate out of it while staying in the pocket? His sack mitigation metrics back this up STRONGLY.

Also, worse than Kyler? That's just straight up not true lmao. Period. You can make an argument for Brock if you rate box score stats and you can make an argument for Stafford because, well, Stafford is class.

Ever heard of get rid of the ball? Live to fight another play?

 

[Maelstrom787]

I've been down on Geno from the middle of last season. That's when I started seeing him regress on 2 points: 1) holding the ball too often, and 2) what I call deer-in-headlights or others call brain freeze.

He was really bad to end 2023 and to start 2024. BUT, he started showing improvement before mid-season, and continued to show steady improvement the rest of the way. The only aspect of his play that dropped off was his accuracy. Specifically, his sideline and endzone balls were placed too far out too far often.

By the end of the season, Geno was playing at a top 8-10 level and had a lot more stretches of excellence. The ball-holding and deer-in-headlights moments were reduced to almost nothing.

Is he worth $23.5M next year. IMO, yes. Do we need to draft a QBOTF to replace him ASAP? IMO, yes.

He's a great bridge as long as he's not the Bridge To Nowhere he's been for the past couple years. We need him to play well for a half-season or full-season or however long it takes to get a QBOTF up the NFL level.

With a new coach, it's very important to not take a huge dive and to actually win a reasonable number of games. Geno can help with that, and he can do it at a good contract price.

Star quarterbacks who get saddled with situations like this falter about as badly as Geno has. Happens every year.

I mean hell, we're talking about a dude that had a pretty similar year to guys like Stafford and Herbert this year like he's a piece of trash that you can't win with. I genuinely don't get it.

I don't think people understand just how bad we were outside of the offensive passing game, and I don't think people understand just how bad passing was leaguewide this year.

2022 Geno absolutely dicks down 2023 Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Stroud, and Stafford stat wise. Some of them were injured, but their efficiency stats tell the same story.

Let that sink in.

Supporting cast is a real thing. Geno had good weapons in the pass game and was let down severely on literally every single other unit. Severely. We're talking abhorrent defense. We're talking worst 3rd down and worst red zone rushing in the entire league. We're talking bottom 10 pass protection.

You get this dude a run game and you get him a defense that doesn't immediately lose us the TOP battle, and there's zero reason that he wouldn't only return to 2022 form, but have a chance to surpass it.

I don't get the prevailing sentiment on Geno, because it reads like collective delusion. It's just priors. It HAS to be priors.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Ever heard of get rid of the ball? Live to fight another play?

Yep, and I've seen Geno do it more often than not? Pretty average time to throw, stellar sack avoidance metrics compared to what would've been expected given the pressure rate faced?

 

[keasley45]

I'm sorry but how much better than the 12th best qb in the league is he supposed to be, with the 27th ranked O line, 29th ranked rushing attack, and 30th ranked defense??

I seriously dont understand the hate or the insistance that hes just a bridge. Sure, this late in his career, bridge is maybe where hes leaning, but not based on lack of performance.

He posted better performance than Tua, Stroud, Baker, and a few other notable QBs who are getting great pub, have far better support, and who id wager most of the folks who want him gone or at most, kept as a placeholder, would prefer over him. (I'd want stroud too, but only because he did what he did as a rook)

I'll say it again.

30th ranked defense.

27th ranked o line.

29th ranked running game.

Fix those things and see how he does and then talk to me. Oh, wait. When they were fixed, he was a top 5 qb. easily top 10. Almost forgot.

For those who insist he cant be better - your argument assumes that a top 16 defense, running game and o-line wont budge his performance 2 spots??? 2 spots and hes a top 10 player at his position... and he was 2 spots from that with a joke of a defense, running game and protection, to say nothing of Shane.

And ... why the need to cite his years as a backup? You think the Raider fans gave 2 sh!ts about how bad Gannon was when things clicked for him? And Ganoon did whay he did with a top flight play caller. Geno had Waldron.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

Ya just gotta love all these "armchair experts", hating on the Seahawks all time single season passing leader. Youd think some rational thought would come in, but nope, blind Geno hate. Sure the grass is greener with another QB.

Thank God none of us have the coaching power to exercise this "wisdom".

Yes, GENO SMITH is the Seahawks single season passing leader. He wasn't much worse this year, but the team around him was a bit.

No gratitude, or respect will Geno ever get from too many .Netizens...

 

[Natethegreat]

“If you don’t agree with me you don’t understand the game”.
LOL
What a tool.

Has an opinion about how good Geno is and shares it, but blasts anyone else who shares an opinion not his own.

 

[Ozzy]

I'm sorry but how much better than the 12th best qb in the league is he supposed to be, with the 27th ranked O line, 29th ranked rushing attack, and 30th ranked defense??

I seriously dont understand the hate or the insistance that hes just a bridge. Sure, this late in his career, bridge is maybe where hes leaning, but not based on lack of performance.

He posted better performance than Tua, Stroud, Baker, and a few other notable QBs who are getting great pub, have far better support, and who id wager most of the folks who want him gone or at most, kept as a placeholder, would prefer over him. (I'd want stroud too, but only because he did what he did as a rook)

I'll say it again.

30th ranked defense.

27th ranked o line.

29th ranked running game.

Fix those things and see how he does and then talk to me. Oh, wait. When they were fixed, he was a top 5 qb. easily top 10. Almost forgot.

For those who insist he cant be better - your argument assumes that a top 16 defense, running game and o-line wont budge his performance 2 spots??? 2 spots and hes a top 10 player at his position... and he was 2 spots from that with a joke of a defense, running game and protection, to say nothing of Shane.

And ... why the need to cite his years as a backup? You think the Raider fans gave 2 sh!ts about how bad Gannon was when things clicked for him? And Ganoon did whay he did with a top flight play caller. Geno had Waldron.

Top 5 QB in the league? You lost me there. I do think Geno, after a deep dive, is better than what I and many others gave him credit for. He finished 16th in EPA which is exactly average and I think he’s probably slightly above that talent wise. Sure he had to overcome a bad line, bad running game but he also had one of the best skill position groups in the NFL. Almost every team has something a QB has to overcome so to say by default he’s way up the board because of the deficiencies while ignoring deficiencies of every other team seems like a bad process to evaluate him from.

When you weight all the metrics out he’s probably in the 10-20 range which is really good. But not good enough that you have to roll with him. I’m looking forward to seeing how JS and the next coach view this situation because it could a number of different ways. I’d try to keep him and draft a guy personally

 

[Ozzy]

Ya just gotta love all these "armchair experts", hating on the Seahawks all time single season passing leader. Youd think some rational thought would come in, but nope, blind Geno hate. Sure the grass is greener with another QB.

Thank God none of us have the coaching power to exercise this "wisdom".

Yes, GENO SMITH is the Seahawks single season passing leader. He wasn't much worse this year, but the team around him was a bit.

No gratitude, or respect will Geno ever get from too many .Netizens...

Yeah not a fan of this. Geno isn’t a sure fire elite QB so wondering if he’s the long term answer doesn’t make anyone stupid or less of a fan than you. There are reasonable reasons to want to go another direction just as your take that he’s the answer is defendable as well

 

[bmorepunk]

Geno is under contract.

He is. But he's $31.2 million cap hit next season.

If they don't think he's worth it, they can cut him and take a $17.4 million dead cap hit which can be spread over two seasons, so they could get over $20 million in cap space next year if they cut him in the offseason.

 

[Ozzy]

Also I think it’s odd that people use Geno’s obstacles to argue he’s really much better than the numbers show and use names like Herbert, Stroud, Mahomes etc while completely ignoring the stuff they had to overcome as well. Mahomes had a near retirement TE as his only major weapon, Herbert lost multiple receivers, running game sucked and his head coach struggled, Stroud is a rookie in a team that was terrible before he got there etc point is most guys are overcoming stuff. This isn’t to say you’re not right about Geno it just opportunistic to weigh Geno with this in mind and then ignore it when comparing Geno to other guys.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

Yeah not a fan of this. Geno isn’t a sure fire elite QB so wondering if he’s the long term answer doesn’t make anyone stupid or less of a fan than you. There are reasonable reasons to want to go another direction just as your take that he’s the answer is defendable as well

No, it isn't my take that he's the answer. It's my take that for the price, there are currently no better options. I don't think anyone is stupid to want to get someone else, but I do think it's a stupid take to say Geno is a bad QB or that we can't win with Geno, that is all...

Plus it's just objectively wrong and all the stats prove it so.

I just don't see the reason for the hate, and in NO measure or way is Lock = to Geno...