Where did Pete go wrong?

[pittpnthrs]

He's 77-53 the last 8 years

I drink too much, somehow missed all the 8-9 teams

He had double digit wins 4 of the 8 years and a losing record once

He's had a total of 3 post season wins in damn near a decade. Gushing over regular season records is the kind of thinking that has the team in the state its currently in. You can't keep giving people chances just because the team is just good enough to make the post season on a regular basis. There needs to be growth and results at some point.

 

[Parallax]

Totally correct but it might take 2-3 years understand?

There's no guarantee it will ever happen. But we're trying and that in itself is exciting.

I'm not one who thinks it's all about winning the Superbowl. Is every fan of every other team necessarily disappointed? I'm not. Not if I enjoyed the season. Not if my team was striving to get better.

At the end of the day football is entertainment. Was I entertained? These last few years under Carroll, not much. Mostly, watching the Hawks was excruciating. This year we might lose more games and have more fun watching. To me, that's success. I remember the year we drafted Cortez Kennedy. I was a young guy. It was exciting to watch him develop. The team was really bad. It stayed bad. That wasn't great but it felt like the potential was there to improve.

The early years under Carroll were great. When the LOB was being born, and Lynch arrived in Seattle and when Wilson was emerging as a pretty darn good player, that was fun. Winning it all was icing on the cake. The next year, losing the way we did was traumatic. That would not have been true if we had lost with our best weapon and best play. But losing on a Carroll boneheaded decision was beyond frustrating.

Pete was classy the way he took responsibility. Wilson too. The LOB guys were not at their best, the way they let their frustration take over. That's when the team began to collapse. The years after that were less and less fun, partly because of choices made by management but also partly because the energy on the team wasn't as good.

No guarantees that MacDonald will do great things but today I'm super happy and excited. In a way I've not been for this team in years. That means so much. We're setting off on a journey and it feels great. No guarantees. None. But if all goes well, well then, sure maybe two or three years until we get some special results. Sign me up.

 

[bigcc]

And still totally irrelevant old with not a damn clue and hopefully with his beautiful wife forever away from the current NFL.

I swear the way some of you are so eager to bash on a Hof caliber coach lol

I think moving on was the right move considering we got Macdonald, but bashing on the winningest guy in seattle sports history is nuts

Lots of wins and a ring for a guy who doesn't have a clue

I hear he was pretty good in college too

Wild that he's been so lucky as a bumbling fool

 

[Parallax]

He's 77-53 the last 8 years

I drink too much, somehow missed all the 8-9 teams

He had double digit wins 4 of the 8 years and a losing record once

When did we last win a big playoff game?

 

[pittpnthrs]

See the Chiefs

The Chiefs actually win in the post season because of talent and great coaching. Seattle had neither in the post season.

 

[Parallax]

I swear the way some of you are so eager to bash on a Hof caliber coach lol

I think moving on was the right move considering we got Macdonald, but bashing on the winningest guy in seattle sports history is nuts

Lots of wins and a ring for a guy who doesn't have a clue

I hear he was pretty good in college too

Wild that he's been so lucky as a bumbling fool

He's never been a strategic thinker. The LOB made him look like a genius. When they were gone, Russ made him look pretty good. Take them away, and you're back to the guy who coached the Pats and the Jets.

At USC, he had an endless stream of incredible talent. He was the right guy at the right time and place because his skill set was perfect for that job. He could sign those kids and get them to play their hearts and guts out. He's an awesome motivator. That's always been his strength, though it doesn't work as well as the players mature and begin to see through the act. That's actually a part of the reason the Hawks went into decline after 2013.

 

[Jville]

The need for a fall guy.

Someone to stone.

Is strong in the forum tonight.

So much self imposed misery on display.

 

[bigcc]

There's no guarantee it will ever happen. But we're trying and that in itself is exciting.

I'm not one who thinks it's all about winning the Superbowl. Is every fan of every other team necessarily disappointed? I'm not. Not if I enjoyed the season. Not if my team was striving to get better.

At the end of the day football is entertainment. Was I entertained? These last few years under Carroll, not much. Mostly, watching the Hawks was excruciating. This year we might lose more games and have more fun watching. To me, that's success. I remember the year we drafted Cortez Kennedy. I was a young guy. It was exciting to watch him develop. The team was really bad. It stayed bad. That wasn't great but it felt like the potential was there to improve.

The early years under Carroll were great. When the LOB was being born, and Lynch arrived in Seattle and when Wilson was emerging as a pretty darn good player, that was fun. Winning it all was icing on the cake. The next year, losing the way we did was traumatic. That would not have been true if we had lost with our best weapon and best play. But losing on a Carroll boneheaded decision was beyond frustrating.

Pete was classy the way he took responsibility. Wilson too. The LOB guys were not at their best, the way they let their frustration take over. That's when the team began to collapse. The years after that were less and less fun, partly because of choices made by management but also partly because the energy on the team wasn't as good.

No guarantees that MacDonald will do great things but today I'm super happy and excited. In a way I've not been for this team in years. That means so much. We're setting off on a journey and it feels great. No guarantees. None. But if all goes well, well then, sure maybe two or three years until we get some special results. Sign me up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the play call was great..... Just not to ******* Ricardo and not throwing the ball so ******* high and floaty, low bullet so only the receiver can get it and be braced in case he gets lit up opposed to high and helpless.

People also forget marshawn was sub .500 within the 3 on the goal line.... For whatever reason he was getting stuffed there throughout the season

I'll stand on this hill until I die, it wasn't the call, it was russ

 

[bigcc]

He's never been a strategic thinker. The LOB made him look like a genius. When they were gone, Russ made him look pretty good. Take them away, and you're back to the guy who coached the Pats and the Jets.

At USC, he had an endless stream of incredible talent. He was the right guy at the right time and place because his skill set was perfect for that job. He could sign those kids and get them to play their hearts and guts out. He's an awesome motivator. That's always been his strength, though it doesn't work as well as the players mature and begin to see through the act. That's actually a part of the reason the Hawks went into decline after 2013.

Lmao, he acquired players that made him look like a genius despite his faults

You can say that about literally every coach who has ever been successful

 

[bigcc]

When did we last win a big playoff game?

Too long ago

I'm ecstatic we've moved to Macdonald, but I can't sit here and watch people slander carroll like all of his success was luck lol. He's had a hall of fame caliber career at both levels, it doesn't matter why he got wins, he got them.

Dude has the 10th most playoff wins all time despite a relatively short career (some of the guys ahead of him coached 10+ more seasons).

 

[Parallax]

Lmao, he acquired players that made him look like a genius despite his faults

You can say that about literally every coach who has ever been successful

Not true. Look at McVey. Look at MacDonald. Talk about a guy who does more with less. Same for Ben Johnson at Detroit. There are some very smart guys who make great use of their resources. Pete Carroll has never been one of those guys.

 

[Parallax]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the play call was great..... Just not to ******* Ricardo and not throwing the ball so ******* high and floaty, low bullet so only the receiver can get it and be braced in case he gets lit up opposed to high and helpless.

People also forget marshawn was sub .500 within the 3 on the goal line.... For whatever reason he was getting stuffed there throughout the season

I'll stand on this hill until I die, it wasn't the call, it was russ

Right or wrong, I'll admire you for standing on that hill.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the play call was great..... Just not to ******* Ricardo and not throwing the ball so ******* high and floaty, low bullet so only the receiver can get it and be braced in case he gets lit up opposed to high and helpless.

People also forget marshawn was sub .500 within the 3 on the goal line.... For whatever reason he was getting stuffed there throughout the season

I'll stand on this hill until I die, it wasn't the call, it was russ

How was it great if Ricardo was the player receiving the pass? Where is the responsibility of recognizing the personnel on the field? How was it great when Browner knew what the play was before they even got lined up and told Butler to get ready and jump it? Did everybody forget Browner was on the team the year before and saw that play everyday in practice? How was it great when your asking your short QB to throw a quick pass over tall linemen in a congested area? How was it great when they didn't use utilize the strength of their personnel and run Lynch who just gashed their very gassed and tired defense the play before?

It wasn't a great play. It was a play called out of panic because Pete and Bevell had absolutely no idea what to do when Belichick didn't call a timeout.

Before standing on your hill, you might want to watch the Luke Willson episode on KJ's podcast. He'll tell you how great of a play call it was.

 

[Parallax]

Too long ago

I'm ecstatic we've moved to Macdonald, but I can't sit here and watch people slander carroll like all of his success was luck lol. He's had a hall of fame caliber career at both levels, it doesn't matter why he got wins, he got them.

Dude has the 10th most playoff wins all time despite a relatively short career (some of the guys ahead of him coached 10+ more seasons).

You know, had he not stayed too long and coached in a way that seemed all about him, I'd be there with you. I probably will be again. After I get over my anger and frustration over the squandering of resources these last few years because a 70+ year old coach had to do things in a way that maximized his chances of success rather than the team's. The Williams trade was the last straw and I'm not over it.

 

[Jville]

Too long ago

I'm ecstatic we've moved to Macdonald, but I can't sit here and watch people slander carroll like all of his success was luck lol. He's had a hall of fame caliber career at both levels, it doesn't matter why he got wins, he got them.

Dude has the 10th most playoff wins all time despite a relatively short career (some of the guys ahead of him coached 10+ more seasons).

Slander is a diversion from a practitioners miserable life.

Football forums are a notorious magnet.

 

[Parallax]

How was it great if Ricardo was the player receiving the pass? Where is the responsibility of recognizing the personnel on the field? How was it great when Browner knew what the play was before they even got lined up and told Butler to get ready and jump it? Did everybody forget Browner was on the team the year before and saw that play everyday in practice? How was it great when your asking your short QB to throw a quick pass over tall linemen in a congested area? How was it great when they didn't use utilize the strength of their personnel and run Lynch who just gashed their very gassed and tired defense the play before?

It wasn't a great play. It was a play called out of panic because Pete and Bevell had absolutely no idea what to do when Belichick didn't call a timeout.

Before standing on your hill, you might want to watch the Luke Willson episode on KJ's podcast. He'll tell you how great of a play call it was.

Creative play calling was never Carroll's strength. Nor was deferring to an OC who had that skill set. Part of his problem was his inability to defer to anyone. He might for a few games but then he'd reign it in. Which is why Seattle couldn't sign good outside coaches under Carroll. He'd promote those who weren't anywhere near the best because it was all he could do. Waldron was an outside hire but he was either not that good or severely limited by Pete. Either way, same result. Mediocrity.

 

[Parallax]

Slander is a diversion from a practitioners miserable life.

Football forums are a notorious magnet.

Truth is an absolute bar to slander. If it's truthful, it's not slander.

 

[bigcc]

Not true. Look at McVey. Look at MacDonald. Talk about a guy who does more with less. Same for Ben Johnson at Detroit. There are some very smart guys who make great use of their resources. Pete Carroll has never been one of those guys.

You literally just said that he rode the lob and russ, how is that not using his resources?

BTW, roquan and Hamilton were 1st team all pro, madubuike and queen were second team all pro

Not sure how that's less

Pete needed to let Schneider do his thing and be more involved with the defense without a doubt

Still doesn't deserve any disrespect, winning that consistently isn't luck lol, I promise you in a few years nobody is going to be bashing Pete the way people here currently are

 

[Parallax]

You literally just said that he rode the lob and russ, how is that not using his resources?

BTW, roquan and Hamilton were 1st team all pro, madubuike and queen were second team all pro

Not sure how that's less

Pete needed to let Schneider do his thing and be more involved with the defense without a doubt

Still doesn't deserve any disrespect, winning that consistently isn't luck lol, I promise you in a few years nobody is going to be bashing Pete the way people here currently are

The LOB was one of the most talented defenses to ever grace a football field. I said earlier, he was capable of winning when graced with enormous talent. MacDonald got guys like Madubuike and Queen playing at a higher level than they'd ever played before. That's one of the signs of a great coach. I'm hopeful he can do it for our guys. We'll see.

 

[Jville]

Truth is an absolute bar to slander. If it's truthful, it's not slander.

There is nothing truthful about slander.

Slander is a lazy disingenuous habit.