Geno Is a Bridge, Nothing More

[SoulfishHawk]

There are some things on film with Penix that are definitely worrisome.

Yeah, because "film" is more important than wins, leadership and being stone cold $ in the clutch. BO AND 3 lost every time he played against Penix. EVERY SINGLE TIME

 

[CactusJack]

Yeah, because "film" is more important than wins, leadership and being stone cold $ in the clutch. BO AND 3 lost every time he played against Penix. EVERY SINGLE TIME

I'm a UW guy too. But you can't deny that there are definitely some red flags with him.

Teams are going to break these guys down. Basically, know what they eat for breakfast. So yeah, the film is going to be a pretty big component. How do they process information? Are they making sound decisions (film)?

 

[pittpnthrs]

Why, exactly, did you quote a single piece of what I said out-of-context?

My 'when' question was clearly rhetorical. My point wasn't that Russ was never better than Geno. Russ was clearly better than Geno up until 2021. My point was that nobody seems to be talking about Russ's peak in this thread, so what point is there in trying to defend Russ against criticism no one is making?

Because i'm an idiot and didn't read the rest of your post as the first sentence caught me an I went from there. Sorry bud. That's clearly on me.

 

[DirectMessage]

Grubb likes plays to the outside and to the numbers? Didn't really see much TE action or over the middle plays. Not sure how well that will translate in the NFL, tbh.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm a UW guy too. But you can't deny that there are definitely some red flags with him.

Teams are going to break these guys down. Basically, know what they eat for breakfast. So yeah, the film is going to be a pretty big component. How do they process information? Are they making sound decisions (film)?

There are caution flags with every QB in this draft. The health issues are legit, and a bummer. I just refuse to ever back off on my opinions of how much of a beast Penix is. I know what my eyes tell me. I don't need film breakdown to see a GREAT Quarterback with the IT factor.

 

[keasley45]

There are some things on film with Penix that are definitely worrisome.

Thanks for posting the YouTube on Penix. I've admitted only watching him in the championship game, but in that game, what I saw didn't inspire confidence simply because he wasn't doing anything at all impressive in terms of navigating the offense or dissecting defense. And when I looked up his highlights, the vast majority of the plays I saw were single read types off of play action.

Seeing this confirms what I took away from watching the championship game - that Penix tends to be a one read kind of guy and if doesn't show that innate ability to look beyond what is 'given' on a play. The kind of defense he faced in that game, once over the course of the season, he will see every Sunday.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not even close to accurate. But ok. You clearly didn't watch him play the last 2 years. His tight window throws, and long ball was as good or better than anyone in the country.
One read? Wrong. Can't look beyond what is given? This isn't even sort of true. Game on the line, he is a MONSTER.
And go ahead and blitz him and see what happens. ONE game and people are acting like he's a crap QB. Correction, SOME are.

All this being said, I realize I don't know much about JJ either, so I get it.

 

[WarHawks]

I was genuinely interested in your take on it. My opinion of Penix fell drastically after the championship. Whatever the reason (crumpled under pressure, failed to overcome a NFL style defense, injury) the fact remains that he looked absolutely anemic, and in over his head, in that game.

Considering the way he performed against other adversity during the year gives me pause at throwing him out with the bathwater.

I would think that he could step right into the offense, in a way that few others could. It would be an interesting competition between him and Geno.

I would love to pick him up in the third round, to give him a shot, but I don't think I would reach any higher. I suspect he will still be there in the third.

I'm curious about this, because lots of mocks have him going in the 1st, even top half of the 1st. There seems to be a huge disparity in perception vs need with regards to Penix, and JJ also.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Thanks for posting the YouTube on Penix. I've admitted only watching him in the championship game, but in that game, what I saw didn't inspire confidence simply because he wasn't doing anything at all impressive in terms of navigating the offense or dissecting defense. And when I looked up his highlights, the vast majority of the plays I saw were single read types off of play action.

Seeing this confirms what I took away from watching the championship game - that Penix tends to be a one read kind of guy and if doesn't show that innate ability to look beyond what is 'given' on a play. The kind of defense he faced in that game, once over the course of the season, he will see every Sunday.

100% inaccurate. Elite level pre snap and moves through progressions very well. UW does more pre snap movement to tease out the defensive alignment than any other team in college. You can't run those schemes without someone that doesn't understand what he's seeing. Dude was undefeated for almost 2 years and should have won the Heisman twice.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm curious about this, because lots of mocks have him going in the 1st, even top half of the 1st. There seems to be a huge disparity in perception vs need with regards to Penix, and JJ also.

And it's only Feb. 27th. A lot can change in the next 2 months. We've seen it time and time again. Some guy just shoots up the board last minute, other guys drop.
So many times a guy ends up in the top 10 that you wouldn't have thought was possible even a month earlier.

 

[bigcc]

Thanks for posting the YouTube on Penix. I've admitted only watching him in the championship game, but in that game, what I saw didn't inspire confidence simply because he wasn't doing anything at all impressive in terms of navigating the offense or dissecting defense. And when I looked up his highlights, the vast majority of the plays I saw were single read types off of play action.

Seeing this confirms what I took away from watching the championship game - that Penix tends to be a one read kind of guy and if doesn't show that innate ability to look beyond what is 'given' on a play. The kind of defense he faced in that game, once over the course of the season, he will see every Sunday.

He was playing the entire game down after Michigan took off the 1st quarter, uw dropped numerous numerous passes including on pivotal 3rd downs, the leading rb for uw was hurt and still the leading rusher with 11/33.

I don't know how you could have watched that game and come away thinking that Penix was the problem.

He definitely overthrew a number of passes, but like I said, not remotely close to the primary problem.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Yeah, because "film" is more important than wins, leadership and being stone cold $ in the clutch. BO AND 3 lost every time he played against Penix. EVERY SINGLE TIME

Well... yeah. It really is when we're looking at making the jump from NCAA to NFL.

It's all about potential. Traits. Skillset. Isolating the individual from the result.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Fair enough. I know what I saw. And I absolutely do NOT have a problem with varying opinions. It's part of the position.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He was playing the entire game down after Michigan took off the 1st quarter, uw dropped numerous numerous passes including on pivotal 3rd downs, the leading rb for uw was hurt and still the leading rusher with 11/33.

I don't know how you could have watched that game and come away thinking that Penix was the problem.

He definitely overthrew a number of passes, but like I said, not remotely close to the primary problem.

Because some people blatantly refuse to see past their ONE view of a guy that they either 1. haven't really watched, or 2. they just don't like him because he was with UW.

The injury concerns? I absolutely understand, and it's justified to be nervous about his injury history. He did just finish 2 full seasons w/out missing a game though.

 

[CactusJack]

There are caution flags with every QB in this draft. The health issues are legit, and a bummer. I just refuse to ever stop off on my opinions of how much of a beast Penix is. I know what my eyes tell me. I don't need film breakdown to see a GREAT Quarterback with the IT factor.

Sometimes we need to have our blinders taken off to see the whole picture. That's why watching film can be such a useful tool. My advice would be to watch some of the film breakdown on these guys before you make a final decision on a guy.

Fans ignored flaws in Russ' game for years, because of his success. Even when the film showed there we're clear issues.

If a QB has a perceived weakness in his game, teams will attack it. Look no further than the matchup vs. Michigan.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm not the one making the decision on the guy. I know what my eyes have told me the last 2 years. He's the real deal.
One bad game and people act like this guy is a 3rd stringer

 

[CactusJack]

Grubb likes plays to the outside and to the numbers? Didn't really see much TE action or over the middle plays. Not sure how well that will translate in the NFL, tbh.

They targeted the outside mainly because they had a favorable matchup with their WR's. That's one thing Grubb is very good at as a play caller. He attacks weaknesses in the defense. They actually mixed in the TE's quite a bit & ran 12 personnel.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I can't wait to see Rome in the NFL. He is an absolute MONSTER. Total team guy too. Throw it in his zip code and he'll come down with it.

 

[CactusJack]

I'm not the one making the decision on the guy. I know what my eyes have told me the last 2 years. He's the real deal.
One bad game and people act like this guy is a 3rd stringer

That's fine. But don't be surprised if he's still available in the 3rd round. The injuries & inconsistencies on film are a bigger deal than you realize. It's something teams will judge him on.

 

[bigcc]

If a QB has a perceived weakness in his game, teams will attack it. Look no further than the matchup vs. Michigan.

.... So penix's weakness is dropped passes, playing from behind right off the bat and having literally no running game due to being behind as mentioned and RB getting hurt after the first carry?

Fascinating