BRADY/PATS PUNISHMENT OVER TURNED BY JUDGE. (Updated 9/3/15)

[Hasselbeck]

We play the Pats** in the season opener.

With Brady:
Pats** 52
Steelers 31

With Janeane Garafalo:
Steelers 31
Pats** 17

Garoppollo can play, I think the game will be a shootout personally. No Bell means the Steelers will throw like crazy against that weak secondary. And well, the Patriots are the Patriots.

 

[SnoCoHawk]

I just read this article about how hard Shady avoided even admitting that he prefers footballs at the lower end of the allowable inflation range. It just makes him look more guilty when he claims he doesn't know why he told the equipment guys to inflate balls at the minimum of 12.5 psi.

If that's how "open and cooperative" he was through the process, I see why the league isn't backing off. He's insulting everyone's intelligence.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...brady-tiptoes-around-preference-for-12-5-psi/

 

[athanas]

Says he knows nothing of PSI, yet admits to liking underinflated balls in 2011.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... footballs/

Ruh-roh. Better have your assistant destroy that interview, Tahmee.

 

[SnoCoHawk]

Says he knows nothing of PSI, yet admits to liking underinflated balls in 2011.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... footballs/

Ruh-roh. Better have your assistant destroy that interview, Tahmee.

Exactly. If he's going to blatantly lie about that, then people are going to assume that he's lying about more than that.

 

[lsheldon]

I think Shady Brady will lose this one:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... /31301467/

In an interview with USA TODAY Sports, Daniel L. Nash of Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP said the union’s case rests on misstatements of facts and attempts to rewrite the collective bargaining agreement, which gives Goodell power to both issue discipline and decide appeals.

“(Brady) can’t dispute that he failed to cooperate. He can’t dispute that he destroyed (his) phone knowing that it contained information that had been requested by the investigators,” Nash said.

“He didn’t present any evidence that challenged the conclusions in the Wells Report about the Patriots employees, and the bottom line is that the commissioner made a judgment that this was conduct detrimental, and under the collective bargaining agreement, he has the authority and, in fact, the responsibility to impose discipline in that circumstance.”

The league filed papers Friday in federal court in Manhattan asking again for confirmation of Goodell’s decision and dissecting the union’s arguments, which were made in a counterclaim and amended answer Tuesday.

In the filings, the league asserted its claim that Goodell had broad authority under Article 46 of the CBA to discipline Brady for “conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game.”

For the first time, the NFL provided a response to the arguments put forth by the union and Brady and largely rejected them as an attempt to have the judge “substitute his own judgment for that of the Commissioner.”

 

[253hawk]

I think Indy fans are still a little salty.

 

[ringless]

UPDATE!!!!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-training- ... ment-talks

Well sort of. It goes over what happened in court today.

 

[fenderbender123]

Looks like a federal judge is having a hard time finding direct evidence that Brady cheated.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/deflate-ga ... d=33035520

 

[hawknation2015]

Looks like a federal judge is having a hard time finding direct evidence that Brady cheated.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/deflate-ga ... d=33035520

The judge also probed the NFL Players Association, asking whether it's conceivable a couple of low-level equipment handlers would do anything to the footballs without Brady's consent.

Union attorney Jeffrey Kessler replied the the two men were "freelancing," thinking they were doing something good for their quarterback.

And then he destroyed his phone after being asked by the NFL to have his attorney submit relevant text messages . . . he is guilty as sin. Under a preponderance of the evidence standard, it is certainly more likely than not that Brady intentionally directed that the balls be deflated or intentionally destroyed his phone to conceal evidence of his knowledge.

 

[kidhawk]

Looks like a federal judge is having a hard time finding direct evidence that Brady cheated.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/deflate-ga ... d=33035520

and understanding why two such low level employees would do something like this without direction to do so, or why Brady would destroy his phone at the time that he did.

In other words, the judge is hearing the case.

 

[253hawk]

There might not be any concrete evidence that he cheated, but the amount of circumstantial evidence is overwhelming at this point. If Brady didn't cheat, then Casey Anthony didn't kill her kid.

 

[fenderbender123]

I don't think that's what this case is about anyway, but it is interesting how the NFL investigation went down. Certainly there's some evidence that Brady did some bad stuff, but there might be perfectly reasonable explanations for some of the other things that happened.....or maybe not.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

There might not be any concrete evidence that he cheated, but the amount of circumstantial evidence is overwhelming at this point. If Brady didn't cheat, then Casey Anthony didn't kill her kid.

...and Nancy Kerrigan never got hit by Tonya Harding....or someone that looks exactly like her. The things they can do with makeup now a days.....and and...plastic surgery.

 

[SnoCoHawk]

There might not be any concrete evidence that he cheated, but the amount of circumstantial evidence is overwhelming at this point. If Brady didn't cheat, then Casey Anthony didn't kill her kid.

...and Nancy Kerrigan never got hit by Tonya Harding....or someone that looks exactly like her. The things they can do with makeup now a days.....and and...plastic surgery.

Tonya didn't do her own dirty work - she sent other people to do the whacking.

As for Brady - maybe someone can explain away each one of the individual pieces of evidence (some of the explanations are really outlandish, though - I mean "The Deflator" is just losing weight? Tom always destroys his phones, just not the two before this one?) but when you put all the bits and pieces together it's just not possible for it to be anything than what it looks like. There's just nothing that points away from everyone being guilty of exactly what they're being accused of.

But I thought the judge is just supposed to be making sure proper procedure was followed and that Goodell has the authority to do what he did...? The guilt or innocence of Brady is not the issue at hand.

 

[Sports Hernia]

There might not be any concrete evidence that he cheated, but the amount of circumstantial evidence is overwhelming at this point. If Brady didn't cheat, then Casey Anthony didn't kill her kid.

...and Nancy Kerrigan never got hit by Tonya Harding....or someone that looks exactly like her. The things they can do with makeup now a days.....and and...plastic surgery.

Tonya didn't do her own dirty work - she sent other people to do the whacking.

As for Brady - maybe someone can explain away each one of the individual pieces of evidence (some of the explanations are really outlandish, though - I mean "The Deflator" is just losing weight? Tom always destroys his phones, just not the two before this one?) but when you put all the bits and pieces together it's just not possible for it to be anything than what it looks like. There's just nothing that points away from everyone being guilty of exactly what they're being accused of.

But I thought the judge is just supposed to be making sure proper procedure was followed and that Goodell has the authority to do what he did...? The guilt or innocence of Brady is not the issue at hand.

The judge also asked Brady's camp why he didn't cooperate and why he destroyed his phone, and the only explanation was "he should have handled the situation differently", which IMHO doesn't help Tawmy score any points with the judge as they pretty much dodged the question. Nobody looks good in this, which is fine with me since I'm not a fan of Rog or Shady Brady.

 

[Grahamhawker]

The suspension was more about Brady's lack of cooperation than any part he played in ball deflation or not.

 

[Sports Hernia]

The suspension was more about Brady's lack of cooperation than any part he played in ball deflation or not.

Correct! Some thing that cheatriots fans don't want to admit.

 

[Exittium]

The suspension was more about Brady's lack of cooperation than any part he played in ball deflation or not.

Correct! Some thing that cheatriots fans don't want to admit.

And media :th2thumbs:

 

[athanas]

Why haven't Jabroni and McNutlly been reached for comment, yet? Seems all of this can be answered by talking to these two cats.

 

[ringless]

While the Judge asked the NFL some questions that made it seem like they would lose the case, he gave the NFLPA and Toms attorney the same treatment.

The Patriots instead of using their scientific report basically said that the ball boys went rogue and did it without Toms approval. Which I find interesting. Which of course the Judge said wouldn't be done without Brady's approval.

He is trying to get doubt in both sides to reach an agreement which could but wont happen on August 19th. If no agreement is made on August 19th, the Judge will have until September 4th to reach an agreement.

It's been pointed out that if Brady is to lose in court, he will likely just appeal again, just at another level.