Bucs sign OG J.R Sweezy

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Tom and Pete's running game is feast or famine, somewhat by design. It can make things look really good or really, really bad. Add in a QB who both holds the ball, and goes long, and you have a no good way to measure Hawks OL.

That is completely false. I watched a clinic video with Alex Gibbs when he was with ATL. (Tom Cable was with ATL too at the time.) And the #1 rule of the system is to never take a loss, at least always get positive yards.

I can see how you drew that conclusion though, because of how inconsistent the O-Line has been.

Every Seahawk fan should watch it. If you want to understand the Seahawks running game.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/8/2/3215058/alex-gibbs-teaches-the-zone-blocking-scheme

Yes, I watched those too...back in 2006 on DVD. Chop blocks as a consistent technique leads to allt of linemen on the ground. That leads to alot of good and bad things.

Also, if we wanted an marked improvement you could always instill a Holmgren offense. That'd makes things alot better...but the pass game is also loss or big gain.

That is a lot of words to use when all you had to say "I was wrong".

 

[mrt144]

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I cant get the vines to work but believe me, they are bad. I'll try and mine for more but I was just googling sweezy whiffs.

 

[Grahamhawker]

I always liked Sweezy for what he was, warts and all. That said, no way in hell do I give him 7 Mill/yr.

 

[pehawk]

Haha...

By definition alot of linemen on the ground can lead to bad things. And what did you really expect from Gibbs "Hey, sometimes were going to lose yards, but that's cool"? Be real. By design it's less conservative/riskier than traditional power game.

 

[hawknation2016]

Sweezy's cut blocking really needs a lot of work. The whole OL could stand to improve its cut blocking.

 

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I always liked Sweezy for what he was, warts and all. That said, no way in hell do I give him 7 Mill/yr.

Exactly. A nice player to have on the team when he is making peanuts, but for big dollars, no thanks.

 

[chris98251]

Sweezy had a nasty side, ok a few penalties, but with no attitude you get looked at as soft, he would have Wilsons back while Okung would walk away. Screw the penalties in those situations. Better a 15 yarder then a 20 million dollar QB on IR from a cheap hit. Also our runs down field, who the hell do you think was blocking on the second level, Sweezy. One of the best in the league at hustle and getting hands on LB's and leading like a FB.

I will take a aggressive penalty that sends a message over a dumb not paying attention penalty like Offside every day.

 

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Haha...

By definition alot of linemen on the ground can lead to bad things. And what did you really expect from Gibbs "Hey, sometimes were going to lose yards, but that's cool"? Be real. By design it's less conservative/riskier than traditional power game.

It's literally what Gibbs said in the vid. So you are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with Gibbs.

 

[Jville]

I always liked Sweezy for what he was, warts and all. That said, no way in hell do I give him 7 Mill/yr.

Going from a conversion project to 6.5MIL/yr should be a powerful recruiting tool for Cable and company over the next couple of months. That's the follow on payoff.

 

[pehawk]

Haha...

By definition alot of linemen on the ground can lead to bad things. And what did you really expect from Gibbs "Hey, sometimes were going to lose yards, but that's cool"? Be real. By design it's less conservative/riskier than traditional power game.

It's literally what Gibbs said in the vid. So you are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with Gibbs.

Yes, I alluded to that in the post you referenced, via sarcasm. Fairly simple sarcasm. Maybe you disagree that ZBS is riskier than power/man scheme. If so, fair enough, pookie.

 

[nwgamer]

RW himself thought Sweezy was a HoF calibur player.

Didn't he also say Ashton was a HoF caliber wife?

No place for that here imo

 

[mrt144]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/707734523598000130[/tweet]

Congratulation JR Sweezy. And congratulations Tom Cable. It validates conversion projects as part of the mix.

Carry on!

I guess if we never want to sign a 2nd contract to OL yes, it validates it.

:177692: I get it. You do not like the program ..... that's just the way you feel.

I like the idea of it - treating OL as a dump stat and being capable of coaching dudes up but last seasons effort was terrible both in stats (relative to other teams and by themself) and in the results, especially the Rams games and almost the Lions.

And I think it could work but 2015 is poor supporting evidence. Novak starting at center apparently wasn't the right choice but it took what, 7 weeks to figure it out? I don't think we really have taken time to appreciate that maybe Max Unger was a pretty effing good. But here we are with some people lamenting the loss of JR FREAKING SWEEZY! Boggles the mind.

But dude, I would obviously be very happy if our coaching and drafting was good enough that we could churn the OL every single year and not miss a beat - I don't think that's the current situation though. Britt was a draft whiff.

I'm on this ride whether I like it or not, impotently whining about it on the internet is the least I can do.

 

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Haha...

By definition alot of linemen on the ground can lead to bad things. And what did you really expect from Gibbs "Hey, sometimes were going to lose yards, but that's cool"? Be real. By design it's less conservative/riskier than traditional power game.

It's literally what Gibbs said in the vid. So you are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with Gibbs.

Yes, I alluded to that in the post you referenced, via sarcasm. Fairly simple sarcasm. Maybe Alex Gibbs disagrees that ZBS is riskier than power/man scheme. If so, fair enough, pookie.

Fix'd bruh.

 

[Jville]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/707734523598000130[/tweet]

Congratulation JR Sweezy. And congratulations Tom Cable. It validates conversion projects as part of the mix.

Carry on!

I guess if we never want to sign a 2nd contract to OL yes, it validates it.

:177692: I get it. You do not like the program ..... that's just the way you feel.

I like the idea of it - treating OL as a dump stat and being capable of coaching dudes up but last seasons effort was terrible both in stats (relative to other teams and by themself) and in the results, especially the Rams games and almost the Lions.

And I think it could work but 2015 is poor supporting evidence. Novak starting at center apparently wasn't the right choice but it took what, 7 weeks to figure it out? I don't think we really have taken time to appreciate that maybe Max Unger was a pretty effing good. But here we are with some people lamenting the loss of JR FREAKING SWEEZY! Boggles the mind.

But dude, I would obviously be very happy if our coaching and drafting was good enough that we could churn the OL every single year and not miss a beat - I don't think that's the current situation though. Britt was a draft whiff.

I'm on this ride whether I like it or not, impotently whining about it on the internet is the least I can do.

:177692: Maybe you missed my acknowledgement ...... I get it ..... I really really do ....... you do not like the program ..... that's just the way you feel.

 

[mrt144]

:177692: Maybe you missed my acknowledgement ...... I get it ..... I really really do ....... you do not like the program ..... that's just the way you feel.

I need more and a cookie and a pat on the head and a 'go get em sport'

 

[hawknation2016]

After three years of below average play, the team needed to tear this unit down and build it back up with superior talent. Throwing millions of dollars at inconsistent players was never going to make this unit great. They need to develop the young talent they already have, scour the free agency market for veteran bargains, and draft extremely well. Then maybe we will have an offensive line we can be proud of.

 

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After three years of below average play, the team needed to tear this unit down and build it back up with superior talent. Throwing millions of dollars at inconsistent players was never going to make this unit great. They need to develop the young talent they already have, scour the free agency market for veteran bargains, and draft extremely well. Then maybe we will have an offensive line we can be proud of.

Pete alluded to this in his end of the season presser.

 

[mrt144]

After three years of below average play, the team needed to tear this unit down and build it back up with superior talent. Throwing millions of dollars at inconsistent players was never going to make this unit great. They need to develop the young talent they already have, scour the free agency market for veteran bargains, and draft extremely well. Then maybe we will have an offensive line we can be proud of.

I would settle for serviceable like 2013's

 

[Tempest_Crow]

You glossed over the points I was trying to make so that you could repeat your schtick from previous posts. Here's the info:

Seattle Seahawks RB Marshawn Lynch is averaging 1.6 yards before contact, which ranks 47th of 50 running backs, according to ESPN Stats and Information.

http://fantasy.usatoday.com/news/marsha ... tact-early

Yea, that's GREAT run blocking.[/quote]

Not disputing your observation or opinion, but I have a question. How or why did Rawls do so well with the same Oline? Running technique? Change of scheme?

 

[LolaRox]

After three years of below average play, the team needed to tear this unit down and build it back up with superior talent. Throwing millions of dollars at inconsistent players was never going to make this unit great. They need to develop the young talent they already have, scour the free agency market for veteran bargains, and draft extremely well. Then maybe we will have an offensive line we can be proud of.

I agree with you but unfortunately I have no confidence that this can get done with Cable leading the efforts and there is no evidence to suggest he can.