Do u believe Hawks are 4th worst team in NFL, DonKs are 9th best?

[Rainger]

2023 NFL Mock Draft: Jets, Jaguars bypass quarterbacks despite little clarity on the position

Three quarterbacks are taken inside the top 5 of this mock draft

www.cbssports.com

Unbelievable, this article has the Hawks drafting 4th with their own pick, and getting, "get this" the 24th pick from Denver. OMG these guys are stupid. First I will put up $1000 against anyone who is willing to bet that the Hawks have the 4th worst record in the entire NFL, and In fact I don't know how Denver ever ever ever gets to the 9th best record in the NFL.

Now, Denver does have one of the easiest schedules in the NFL BUT they will lose twice to KC, twice to LAC, once to both the Raiders and the Rams and they have already lost to the Hawks, I wouldn't even put it past either SF or Arizona knocking them off. Not to mention the Titans and the Ravens. How does 8 to 10 losses get them the 24th pick??

Time will tell but this way too early mock draft is just ridiculous.

 

[BlueTalon]

According to the article, the draft order was determined by just reversing the order of SportLine's Super Bowl odds. It's not like there was any human concluding we would be fourth worst or Denver would be ninth best.

 

[Rainger]

According to the article, the draft order was determined by just reversing the order of SportLine's Super Bowl odds. It's not like there was any human concluding we would be fourth worst or Denver would be ninth best.

Yup I was expecting this response. This is how they operate. Make money on clicks without a single bit of work.

So that means the media can take no time to do any in depth analysis and come up with this shit based upon some PRE SEASON Vegas betting book. BEFORE even the pre season.

So they have no accountability, make NO adjustments based on what they have seen in the start of the season.

More media bullshit to get clicks without a single bit of intellectual analysis. The Media is dead and really is fake news. Nothing can be believed. If you do you don't have your own individual thought processes.

 

[BlueTalon]

There may well be some thoughtful analysis about possible draft positions on the internet, and mock drafts based on that analysis, but you're not going to find it there.

 

[Rainger]

Please re read my thread question. I am using the deceit of the media to ask the question are the Hawks the 4th worst team in the NFL?

Are the Donks the 24th best?

They are using this click stuff on their front page and then using some lame deflection that is based upon some meaning less betting line to get the brain numb to believe this will be the possible draft.

Are the Hawks going to draft 4th??? Are the Donkeys giving the Hawks ONLY the 24th pick? I doubt it.

 

[Chukarhawk]

yes, I buy it.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

The writer has us spending the 24th pick on a tightend...maybe the strongest position on Seattle's roster next year with all three current tight ends (Dissly, Fant, and Parkinson) returning next year.

I wouldn't put too much stock into a writer that doesn't understand the current (and projected) roster needs.

 

[sutz]

I pretty much ignore rankings until game 6 or 7 at least. Even then it is speculation based on personal opinions. At least after a few games there are some stats to base things on.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Yup I was expecting this response. This is how they operate. Make money on clicks without a single bit of work.

No entity works harder at predicting odds then the people who run Vegas sports books. Billions of dollars at stake confirms this.

If you feel differently, then by all means fly on down and plunk down a bunch of money on the Hawks to make the playoffs, or whatever you think they're going to finish.

 

[KinesProf]

Possibly, to the first.

No way, to the second.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

No entity works harder at predicting odds then the people who run Vegas sports books. Billions of dollars at stake confirms this.

If you feel differently, then by all means fly on down and plunk down a bunch of money on the Hawks to make the playoffs, or whatever you think they're going to finish.

True, but keep in mind that the line can be impacted by public perception and the book’s desire to keep wagers even.

A little more complex in props betting, but you can see why Seattle would be getting better odds after months of media pounding the no QB narrative.

In the end it might mean they’re calculated as the 6th worse, but it takes 4th worse odds to stimulate action.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

True, but keep in mind that the line can be impacted by public perception and the book’s desire to keep wagers even.

A little more complex in props betting, but you can see why Seattle would be getting better odds after months of media pounding the no QB narrative.

In the end it might mean they’re calculated as the 6th worse, but it takes 4th worse odds to stimulate action.

My comment was specifically directed at Rainger who thinks no thought whatsoever goes into odds predicting.

Are the Hawks going to win more than 5 or 6 games, which is about the over/under on the 4th or 5th worst team in the league?

Idk, one win over a suspect Denver team sure isn't going to sway most odds setters, and yes they know if they bump the Hawk's down a couple notches then money will pour in on that number. But make no mistake, these casinos spend hundreds of millions of dollars per year on systems, infrastructure, algorithms and people who know their shizzle backwards and forwards.

 

[Seahawker]

I believe the Donk's & Hawks will both draft closer to #16 than either a top or bottom 5 slating.
In other words we'll likely have to package picks to move up to grab a top QB.
I think we should gunnysack the 'let's draft a saviour QB' talk for a few weeks and give Geno & Lock an honest shot.
I view our draft ammo more in terms of how John & Pete could build the defense & O-line far more than wishing upon a QB star.
Really don't want them to revert back to trading down though...
This should be a really exciting season, let's support Geno with everything we've got.

 

[Hawknight]

I pretty much ignore rankings until game 6 or 7 at least. Even then it is speculation based on personal opinions. At least after a few games there are some stats to base things on.

Yea, but they need something to write about until mid season

 

[TwistedHusky]

Well it is pretty clear that Denver's pass rush sucks now. Either our rookie OL are otherworldly, Denver pass rushers had a terrible game for just 1 game, or (most likely) the effectiveness of the Denver pass rush was a product of Fangio's defense - which is no longer there.
The Bengals made it all the way to the SuperBowl with a suspect pass rush. But you could argue it killed them in the SB.

I have a hard time believing that Denver can be one of the better teams in the league without an effective pass rush though. And given that flaw, not sure how much it says about us.
Not clear we can know much about this team from beating Denver or SF. Denver has an iffy defense. SF has a huge QB problem.
We will have to get deeper into the schedule before we know what we have. But I suspect it will be a team bobbing around .500.

But as Largent pointed out, ignore Vegas at your peril. They tend to be right a lot more than they are wrong.

 

[jammerhawk]

To the opening question my answer is NO

At this point it is hard to say if the Hawks truly will suck this season or if they will prove themselves to be a better team than the 'Experts' predict. I frankly think Denver may well be very overrated and may still be the 4th best team in their division.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

Im not going to dis agree with you. We really dont know how good the Hawks are right now. I would characterize it as, they are as good as how much the coaching staff can coach up the young guys... Denver was a really good test for the Hawks they looked pretty solid to me. Now going into SF, week 2, i look at the D and we can see some issues like setting the edge on D... The question is, is that an issue that can be coached up or is it a scheme thing. I think it is an issue solved with coaching as well the peneltys on the o line as well as the sacks late in the game all those issues seem very fixable. so yeah how good are the Hawks? We will have to see but i think i have it characterized appropriately ... the Hawks are as good as the coaching staff can coach up the young guys.

 

[jammerhawk]

RtH: I agree with you assessment about coaching the young players up.

Setting the edge has seemingly been a problem all preseason and was so evident against Denver. Watching the games so far I am constantly asking myself where are the LBs? At present it may be a schematic limitation or just a limitation in the ability of the young talent that is here.

Very much believe that there is solid young talent now here that will represent the team well going forward if they can be coached.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

According to the article, the draft order was determined by just reversing the order of SportLine's Super Bowl odds. It's not like there was any human concluding we would be fourth worst or Denver would be ninth best.

Yeah but that doesn't work with muh oUTrAgE!

 

[Hawkpower]

My comment was specifically directed at Rainger who thinks no thought whatsoever goes into odds predicting.

Are the Hawks going to win more than 5 or 6 games, which is about the over/under on the 4th or 5th worst team in the league?

Idk, one win over a suspect Denver team sure isn't going to sway most odds setters, and yes they know if they bump the Hawk's down a couple notches then money will pour in on that number. But make no mistake, these casinos spend hundreds of millions of dollars per year on systems, infrastructure, algorithms and people who know their shizzle backwards and forwards.

You have to consider that much of that deep analysis/predicting came from assumptions that Geno would be a huge downgrade from Russ

After what we saw week one, that may not be the case