Jim Harbaugh uses demeaning rhetoric against reporter

[m0ng0]

I do love his bald headed goon shaking his head and nodding right behind this Tim fellow the whole time the interview is going on, waiting for something bad to happen so he can FIX the situation

 

[sc85sis]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

 

[loafoftatupu]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

Darn straight. Some make it very clear when they feel like an employee could potentially cause embarrassment to the company or not qualify for the security clearance required to work on DOD jobs.

Getting a single DUI is one thing, but even that carries trouble in my area. Breaking gun laws at my employer in my job? GONE.

 

[Marvin49]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

Darn straight. Some make it very clear when they feel like an employee could potentially cause embarrassment to the company or not qualify for the security clearance required to work on DOD jobs.

Getting a single DUI is one thing, but even that carries trouble in my area. Breaking gun laws at my employer in my job? GONE.

I think it all really depends on what you do for a living.

If you drive a school bus? Yeah, DUIs should get you fired.

A cop? Yeah, getting charged for a felony in general might get you fired.

Football players? Not so cut and dry. For the most part, they are entertainers. Do actors lose their jobs? Musicians?

From a team perspective I think you have to take it on a case by case perspective and see how that player has an effect on the locker room. If you think the guy is a negative influence on the locker room, then he has to go. Its pretty clear that the 49ers feel that he isn't. Justin Smith has defended him in the past and I don't see Justin as the type of guy that puts up with a lot of BS.

Does his talent level play a part? Abso-freakin-lutely. To say anything otherwise would be disingenuous. If a guy was barely hanging on to a roster spot, he's most likely really not worth the trouble. Bad PR if nothing else wouldn't be worth it.

A guy who is as good as Aldon will get more latitude from a team...ANY team...than a scrub.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

I would think you would have to look at the good accomplishments of the perpetrator vs the bad and then use them in weighing a decision. Player in a circus (Dallas Cowboys) or operator of the camera that does charity work on his/her off time and messed up a few times. Those are things that make the person up. A scrub may be the most important person there...if the toilets are the issue. :mrgreen: :twisted: :stirthepot:

 

[hawknation2014]

I think it all really depends on what you do for a living.

If you drive a school bus? Yeah, DUIs should get you fired.

A cop? Yeah, getting charged for a felony in general might get you fired.

Football players? Not so cut and dry. For the most part, they are entertainers. Do actors lose their jobs? Musicians?

From a team perspective I think you have to take it on a case by case perspective and see how that player has an effect on the locker room. If you think the guy is a negative influence on the locker room, then he has to go. Its pretty clear that the 49ers feel that he isn't. Justin Smith has defended him in the past and I don't see Justin as the type of guy that puts up with a lot of BS.

Does his talent level play a part? Abso-freakin-lutely. To say anything otherwise would be disingenuous. If a guy was barely hanging on to a roster spot, he's most likely really not worth the trouble. Bad PR if nothing else wouldn't be worth it.

A guy who is as good as Aldon will get more latitude from a team...ANY team...than a scrub.

Why are you still pretending Aldon's only criminal offense is drunk driving?

Aldon is 24 years old and now has two drunk driving convictions-- in the most recent incident, he smashed his car into a tree with a BAC of .15. You are also conveniently forgetting that he is facing two felonies for illegal weapons possessions-- illegal assault weapons were discovered after two people were shot at a party at his house, and while Aldson admitted he fired a gun into the air, no one has been willing to identify the shooter at his party. His fourth and most recent arrest was for a bomb threat at LAX.

If you're telling me the average, reasonable employer would not fire their employee under these same circumstances, after FOUR arrests, for a total of three misdemeanors and two felonies, then your defense of Aldon and the 49ers has made you completely out of touch with reality. People get fired every day for much less. People get fired for being late to work, much less missing work after being arrested four times or going to rehab for two months. Aldon has continually jeopardized the public's safety and shown a habitual disrespect for the law. His fifth-year option should not have been picked up by the 49ers if they had any respect for those things.

I await more of your myopic, fan-fueled excuse making.

 

[NorCal]

I still don't get why people try to compare pro athletes to "regular" jobs when it comes to this. A star athlete will get preferential treatment from his team and the league. It has always been that way and will most likely always be that way. And i really don't get why some people get all sanctimonious when teams don't come out and say that. No team will come out and say the player is getting special treatment because he is a star and wins games.

 

[hawknation2014]

I still don't get why people try to compare pro athletes to "regular" jobs when it comes to this.

Because Marvin was stupid enough to try to make that comparison.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Marvin, go read the NFL player contract and see what these guys agree to.

 

[Marvin49]

I think it all really depends on what you do for a living.

If you drive a school bus? Yeah, DUIs should get you fired.

A cop? Yeah, getting charged for a felony in general might get you fired.

Football players? Not so cut and dry. For the most part, they are entertainers. Do actors lose their jobs? Musicians?

From a team perspective I think you have to take it on a case by case perspective and see how that player has an effect on the locker room. If you think the guy is a negative influence on the locker room, then he has to go. Its pretty clear that the 49ers feel that he isn't. Justin Smith has defended him in the past and I don't see Justin as the type of guy that puts up with a lot of BS.

Does his talent level play a part? Abso-freakin-lutely. To say anything otherwise would be disingenuous. If a guy was barely hanging on to a roster spot, he's most likely really not worth the trouble. Bad PR if nothing else wouldn't be worth it.

A guy who is as good as Aldon will get more latitude from a team...ANY team...than a scrub.

Why are you still pretending Aldon's only criminal offense is drunk driving?

Aldon is 24 years old and now has two drunk driving convictions-- in the most recent incident, he smashed his car into a tree with a BAC of .15. You are also conveniently forgetting that he is facing two felonies for illegal weapons possessions-- illegal assault weapons were discovered after two people were shot at a party at his house, and while Aldson admitted he fired a gun into the air, no one has been willing to identify the shooter at his party. His fourth and most recent arrest was for a bomb threat at LAX.

If you're telling me the average, reasonable employer would not fire their employee under these same circumstances, after FOUR arrests, for a total of three misdemeanors and two felonies, then your defense of Aldon and the 49ers has made you completely out of touch with reality. People get fired every day for much less. People get fired for being late to work, much less missing work after being arrested four times or going to rehab for two months. Aldon has continually jeopardized the public's safety and shown a habitual disrespect for the law. His fifth-year option should not have been picked up by the 49ers if they had any respect for those things.

I await more of your myopic, fan-fueled excuse making.

oi.

1) First of all, I am not pretending anything. Stop with the straw man. I didn't say anything about Aldons offenses. I was simply making a point about what would happen to other people in other walks of life.

2) I would say that its possible most employers WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW if had happened to their employee. I'm not sure but I don't even think it would be legal for an employer to fire an employee about something that happened outside the workplace. Sure, there are jobs where you will sign contracts that mediate some of the things you do outside of work, but a felony (or multiple) doesn't automatically get you fired in most jobs. I would suspect it would really depend on the crime. Murder? Yeah, a case can be made for the safety of people in the workplace. Rape? of course. Possession of illegal firearms? hrmmm....no so sure.

As for his "missing work" etc....absolutely true. People can be fired for being late, not showing up, etc. Its between the employer and the employee though what happens in those instances and often depend on how valuable that employee is to the company.

Does Aldon get the benefit of the doubt and keep his job when others might not? Absolutely. Why? Because he's a valuable commodity on the field. I don't think any team would treat him any differently. You are kidding yourself if you think any different. If you were a hugely valuable commodity in the workplace they'd let you get away with more as well. Thats life.

3) Please. The fifth year option? Of COURSE they should have picked it up. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the option. There is no guarantee there. If Aldon screws up, he's done. He's cut. No money given to him. If he turns it around they save HUGE against the cap because the difference between that option and the franchise tag is LARGE. NOT using the option would have made a point....and the point would have been that the 49ers are brain dead.

4) Dude...why are you even arguing. I wasn't even defending Aldon in that post. LOL. Sometimes i think you guys are just looking for a reason to argue.

 

[Marvin49]

I still don't get why people try to compare pro athletes to "regular" jobs when it comes to this.

Because Marvin was stupid enough to try to make that comparison.

oh no.

He thinks I'm stupid. How will I live with myself.

 

[Marvin49]

Marvin, go read the NFL player contract and see what these guys agree to.

Well of course its within the teams rights to let him go. That isn't my point though.

 

[TXHawk]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

I've got a union job which provides some protections but in my field if I had a rap sheet like Aldon Smith's I would have been escorted from the building by security long ago. But then I don't have much of a swim move.

 

[loafoftatupu]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

I've got a union job which provides some protections but in my field if I had a rap sheet like Aldon Smith's I would have been escorted from the building by security long ago. But then I don't have much of a swim move.

As would most jobs TX. I get it though, star player (but is he REALLY that good?) lots of sacks and young. A team that already has that will over look it because they know that even if fans hated Smith for being a criminal that if he plays good and the Niners win nobody will care. Most employers would fire a guy for 3 felony convictions no matter what they are. In addition, most employers would know about the convictions because they would be aware of the investigation (Marvin said that they might not even know) The popo would go out of their way to include the employer just to set the tone for the case.

Some teams would cut a guy like Smith, Pittsburgh probably would, but that stuff doesn't bother me. Its a team choice. What bothers me is that wearing a Niner uniform means automatic reprieve from committing felonies that would ruin the lives of normal people. It isn't about money, the lawyer pled no contest. Any lawyer can tell you to do that. There are guys in prison for less. It is the same system that doesn't charge a guy for using a beer bottle as a weapon.

The Niners know Smith is going to get sissy slapped, that's why Smith is in OTAs. They need their moron offsides machine on the field. No Bowman, what about Cully? Harbafreak doesn't give a crap about being "above reproach" he only cares about what the league imposes on his roster. A new group in the secondary needs that LBing set. One that looks a lot more friendly without Smith and Bowman.

I am excited to see Smith coming into the neutral zone in 2014. This is a guy who did it on the goal line to get the Hawks out of a jam and arguably cost the Niners a real chance at winning the NFCC because he is stupid on 4th and 7. But Harbafreak will stand by his side and trade those sacks for stupidity.

 

[Sports Hernia]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

I've got a union job which provides some protections but in my field if I had a rap sheet like Aldon Smith's I would have been escorted from the building by security long ago. But then I don't have much of a swim move.

Same boat I'm in. Smoking a joint alone would very possibly cost me my job, even though it's legal in the state of Washington. I am also a shop steward so I have a quasi-target on my back as is, so unless the company (a national company) changes it's policy and says you CAN smoke a J or ingest some "special brownies" when when your off, no potweed for me.

Oh, and they can drug test us if they have "reasonable suspicion"...... Translation: if you piss off management or look at em crosseyed when they are on the rag, and they don't like it, they can make you go to the drug test place and take a pee test, blood test, or hair test.

 

[-The Glove-]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

I've got a union job which provides some protections but in my field if I had a rap sheet like Aldon Smith's I would have been escorted from the building by security long ago. But then I don't have much of a swim move.

Same boat I'm in. Smoking a joint alone would very possibly cost me my job, even though it's legal in the state of Washington. I am also a shop steward so I have a quasi-target on my back as is, so unless the company (a national company) changes it's policy and says you CAN smoke a J or ingest some "special brownies" when when your off, no potweed for me.

Oh, and they can drug test us if they have "reasonable suspicion"...... Translation: if you piss off management or look at em crosseyed when they are on the rag, and they don't like it, they can make you go to the drug test place and take a pee test, blood test, or hair test.

Dumbass dude at work got fired for admitting to eating brownies before a piss test. The idiot didn't even just take the test first. He snitched on himself and got escorted off the premises immediately

 

[Marvin49]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

I've got a union job which provides some protections but in my field if I had a rap sheet like Aldon Smith's I would have been escorted from the building by security long ago. But then I don't have much of a swim move.

As would most jobs TX. I get it though, star player (but is he REALLY that good?) lots of sacks and young. A team that already has that will over look it because they know that even if fans hated Smith for being a criminal that if he plays good and the Niners win nobody will care. Most employers would fire a guy for 3 felony convictions no matter what they are. In addition, most employers would know about the convictions because they would be aware of the investigation (Marvin said that they might not even know) The popo would go out of their way to include the employer just to set the tone for the case.

Some teams would cut a guy like Smith, Pittsburgh probably would, but that stuff doesn't bother me. Its a team choice. What bothers me is that wearing a Niner uniform means automatic reprieve from committing felonies that would ruin the lives of normal people. It isn't about money, the lawyer pled no contest. Any lawyer can tell you to do that. There are guys in prison for less. It is the same system that doesn't charge a guy for using a beer bottle as a weapon.

The Niners know Smith is going to get sissy slapped, that's why Smith is in OTAs. They need their moron offsides machine on the field. No Bowman, what about Cully? Harbafreak doesn't give a crap about being "above reproach" he only cares about what the league imposes on his roster. A new group in the secondary needs that LBing set. One that looks a lot more friendly without Smith and Bowman.

I am excited to see Smith coming into the neutral zone in 2014. This is a guy who did it on the goal line to get the Hawks out of a jam and arguably cost the Niners a real chance at winning the NFCC because he is stupid on 4th and 7. But Harbafreak will stand by his side and trade those sacks for stupidity.

First Bold: Yes.


Second Bold: Oh please. ENOUGH of the conspiracy theories about 49ers players and law enforcement. Aldon and others are getting the "I have an expensive lawyer" treatment. It ain't fair but that's life. If you can afford expensive representation than you will likely get a better defense. That's ANYONE with a big bank account.

If I get in trouble and I had the means I'd hire a good lawyer as well. Who wouldn't? Somebody of course is now about to accuse me of minimizing or whatever but come on...lets be real. Rich people get much better legal representation than people without means. It ain't cool. I don't approve. That does not however mean there is a 49ers conspiracy.


Third Bold: Is it the teams responsibility to hand out punishment to players when there is already a mechanism in place with the league to do exactly that? Why should the 49ers do anything with Aldon if the league will as well? Hell, they already sent him to rehab LAST year forcing him to miss 5 games and hardly play in 2 more. They were under no mandate to do so and could have had him play all the way through those games because the league wouldn't have stepped in yet. It's kinda double speak to say that the 49ers are just sitting back and doing nothing when they already did something last year and the league already has a mechanism to handle these types of issues.

No team would be imposing it's own punishment right now.

 

[NINEster]

<snippage>

Should you be suspended from work if you owned illegal guns? Got a DUI?

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

I've got a union job which provides some protections but in my field if I had a rap sheet like Aldon Smith's I would have been escorted from the building by security long ago. But then I don't have much of a swim move.

As would most jobs TX. I get it though, star player (but is he REALLY that good?) lots of sacks and young. A team that already has that will over look it because they know that even if fans hated Smith for being a criminal that if he plays good and the Niners win nobody will care. Most employers would fire a guy for 3 felony convictions no matter what they are. In addition, most employers would know about the convictions because they would be aware of the investigation (Marvin said that they might not even know) The popo would go out of their way to include the employer just to set the tone for the case.

Some teams would cut a guy like Smith, Pittsburgh probably would, but that stuff doesn't bother me. Its a team choice. What bothers me is that wearing a Niner uniform means automatic reprieve from committing felonies that would ruin the lives of normal people. It isn't about money, the lawyer pled no contest. Any lawyer can tell you to do that. There are guys in prison for less. It is the same system that doesn't charge a guy for using a beer bottle as a weapon.

The Niners know Smith is going to get sissy slapped, that's why Smith is in OTAs. They need their moron offsides machine on the field. No Bowman, what about Cully? Harbafreak doesn't give a crap about being "above reproach" he only cares about what the league imposes on his roster. A new group in the secondary needs that LBing set. One that looks a lot more friendly without Smith and Bowman.

I am excited to see Smith coming into the neutral zone in 2014. This is a guy who did it on the goal line to get the Hawks out of a jam and arguably cost the Niners a real chance at winning the NFCC because he is stupid on 4th and 7. But Harbafreak will stand by his side and trade those sacks for stupidity.

I find it oddly strange that Seahawk fans will debate Aldon Smith's talent level on top of all the legal nonsense going on.

In terms of peak talent, he as is good or better than anybody on the Seahawks defense.

If it was Sherman or Thomas or Chancellor facing similar legal issues, the Seahawk FO will treat the situation no different than the 49ers, maybe even go easier on their star player. Pete and John are supposedly more enlightened and understanding, right?

This whole thing is comical.

 

[Marvin49]

There certainly are companies that would--and legally could--suspend or fire an employee for those legal issues. The vast majority of Americans are "at will" employees, meaning we can be fired at any time for nearly any reason (obviously providing the employer doesn't illegally discriminate).

I've got a union job which provides some protections but in my field if I had a rap sheet like Aldon Smith's I would have been escorted from the building by security long ago. But then I don't have much of a swim move.

As would most jobs TX. I get it though, star player (but is he REALLY that good?) lots of sacks and young. A team that already has that will over look it because they know that even if fans hated Smith for being a criminal that if he plays good and the Niners win nobody will care. Most employers would fire a guy for 3 felony convictions no matter what they are. In addition, most employers would know about the convictions because they would be aware of the investigation (Marvin said that they might not even know) The popo would go out of their way to include the employer just to set the tone for the case.

Some teams would cut a guy like Smith, Pittsburgh probably would, but that stuff doesn't bother me. Its a team choice. What bothers me is that wearing a Niner uniform means automatic reprieve from committing felonies that would ruin the lives of normal people. It isn't about money, the lawyer pled no contest. Any lawyer can tell you to do that. There are guys in prison for less. It is the same system that doesn't charge a guy for using a beer bottle as a weapon.

The Niners know Smith is going to get sissy slapped, that's why Smith is in OTAs. They need their moron offsides machine on the field. No Bowman, what about Cully? Harbafreak doesn't give a crap about being "above reproach" he only cares about what the league imposes on his roster. A new group in the secondary needs that LBing set. One that looks a lot more friendly without Smith and Bowman.

I am excited to see Smith coming into the neutral zone in 2014. This is a guy who did it on the goal line to get the Hawks out of a jam and arguably cost the Niners a real chance at winning the NFCC because he is stupid on 4th and 7. But Harbafreak will stand by his side and trade those sacks for stupidity.

I find it oddly strange that Seahawk fans will debate Aldon Smith's talent level on top of all the legal nonsense going on.

In terms of peak talent, he as is good or better than anybody on the Seahawks defense.

If it was Sherman or Thomas or Chancellor facing similar legal issues, the Seahawk FO will treat the situation no different than the 49ers, maybe even go easier on their star player. Pete and John are supposedly more enlightened and understanding, right?

This whole thing is comical.

Oh crap. This won't end well...

 

[Seahawkfan80]

In terms of peak talent, he as is good or better than anybody on the Seahawks defense.



Oh crap. This won't end well...

There was only one pile of fresh cowpattie available....and he stepped into it....I think maybe facefirst too. Aldon that is. :mrgreen: