Key to this seasons turnaround: Trading Percy Harvin

[chet380]

Last NYJ game -

PH -- 124 yds receiving, 35 yd TD ... not bad for a no-talent bum

Wasn't he playing against the Vikings? And aren't those numbers well above any others he's posted with the Jets?

@KC -- 11-13-129

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Last NYJ game -

PH -- 124 yds receiving, 35 yd TD ... not bad for a no-talent bum

Wasn't he playing against the Vikings? And aren't those numbers well above any others he's posted with the Jets?

@KC -- 11-13-129

OK, guess he's done prety well with the Jets.
Still underperformed here, refused to enter games and stunted RW's growth this year........IMO of course.

 

[DavidSeven]

Last NYJ game -

PH -- 124 yds receiving, 35 yd TD ... not bad for a no-talent bum

Wasn't he playing against the Vikings? And aren't those numbers well above any others he's posted with the Jets?

@KC -- 11-13-129

OK, guess he's done prety well with the Jets.
Still underperformed here, refused to enter games and stunted RW's growth this year........IMO of course.

They have cherry picked two out of six games in which he put up numbers. Big deal, he had two good games with Seattle, too.

Game-by-game receiving yards:

vs. BUF: 22 yards
@KC: 129 yards
vs. PIT: 23 yards
@ BUF: 2 yards
vs. MIA: 6 yards
@ MIN: 124 yards

Anyway, anyone who thinks Harvin is a no-talent bum is delusional, and I don't really think anyone has even said that. The issue with Harvin is that he hurts your locker-room and he hurts your scheme. He isn't a true deep threat receiver, though obviously he can catch a random bomb every once in a while since he's fast and has good hands. But if you want Harvin to run all your routes and are taking a legit WR off the field to do so, then that's going to hurt your offense.

He's a bubble screen/jet sweep specialist who can get lucky on an occasional deep pass. That is exactly how the Jets are using him, which is the same as how he was used here. Except we did the smart thing and kept better true receivers on the outside.

 

[3Girls'HawkDad]

Harvin sucks

 

[jammerhawk]

What is really telling with Percy is that the team traded a 1st, 3rd, and a 7th rd. draft pick for Harvin and then gave him a quite large contract which he never justified or remotely earned, but were prepared to trade him away for at best a conditional 4th rd. pick in next years draft or a conditional 6th round draft pick next year so he'd just be gone. There were of course other hidden costs of acquiring him and keeping him for the start of this season in terms of other players not re-signed or released. In short he was a very expensive mistake the FO walked away from in a summary and dismissive break. If this didn't genuinely completely tell what the team really thought of continuing to keep him on their roster nothing else could. If it was really true he refused to play when requested he needed to gone immediately. He was gone immediately. Hmmm?

To me it's clear that he didn't fit with the team in terms of personality, work ethic, or the ability to compete and comply with Pete's basic team rules. He was a prima donna, and although uber talented simply was unprepared to extend the effort to fit in here or incapable. He's now a Jet, good riddance. Thankfully the team won't have to eat a huge cap liability for him next season as the money saved this season offsets next year's cap hit.

I doubt a single person here didn't recognize that PH was exceptionally talented as a football player. He's brittle though, and a demonstrated head case, so him being gone is addition by subtraction. His weekly health question is now not a feature of the beat writers for the team or a continuing distraction. Finding plays he was prepared to work with or that he was willing actually play at full speed is no longer a necessary focus for the team either. The team is better as a team without him here. That said I get the argument his trade was the key reason for improved fortunes of the team, I just think it's more health based and not Percy based.

All in all he really didn't contribute much last season either, and certainly in retrospect was not worth what the team paid to acquire him. In reality he had little to do with the team winning the SB last year, though when he played he was interesting/occasionally exciting to watch. He was constantly a distracting pain the rear with the constant questions: Will he play?, How's his hip?, How's his ankle ?, How's his shoulder?, Has he recovered from his concussion?, Blah Blah.

He's a Jet now and I hope they keep him so the team gets the earlier conditional pick. Other than that I'm relieved he's gone, he's dead to me. I frankly think it is only coincidental the team's fortunes this season improved markedly after PH was jettisoned. To me the general improvement in the health of a few key players like Chancellor, Maxwell, and Wagner along with the team deciding they wanted to play together better are the real key reasons for the turnaround. Percy is an irrelevance.

 

[brimsalabim]

According to the Jets site sweet p was having a very nice game against the Vikes when he suddenly took him self out. They ended up losing.

 

[seabowl]

According to the Jets site sweet p was having a very nice game against the Vikes when he suddenly took him self out. They ended up losing.

He left the game on crutches with an ankle injury.

 

[BlueBlood]

In many ways Percy was the reason Denver was shell shocked during the super bowl. The sweeps weren't prepared for and they had to account for it all game. Then he put the nail in the coffin with the td return. He may be gone but I will always appreciate what he did for us.

 

[keith da hawk]

Regardless of how we may feel about him now, I'm always going to remember him for putting the dagger in the heart of the Broncos with his kickoff return in Super Bowl XLVIII.

 

[brimsalabim]

According to the Jets site sweet p was having a very nice game against the Vikes when he suddenly took him self out. They ended up losing.

He left the game on crutches with an ankle injury.

It was a minor low ankle sprain and he is expect to play this Sunday.

 

[RiverDog]

The trading of Percy Harvin accomplished the following things:

It forced our offense to return to our roots: Pound the ball with the Beast.

It rid ourselves of a locker room cancer, one that had the potential of tearing down all that had been built over the course of the past 4 years.

It created cap space to resign some of our players that actually play and that are much more important to the future of our franchise, like Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner.

It gave some very valuable playing time to a couple of promising rookie receivers.

And lastly, it forced some of those well meaning homers in Seahawk Nation to come to grips with the fact that not everything Pete and John touch turns to gold and that the Harvin trade was the worst such trade in the history of the franchise.

 

[jammerhawk]

The trading of Percy Harvin accomplished the following things:

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And lastly, it forced some of those well meaning homers in Seahawk Nation to come to grips with the fact that not everything Pete and John touch turns to gold and that the Harvin trade was the worst such trade in the history of the franchise.

It was a whiff on a swing for the fence trade, and the good part at least was Pn'J relalized they'd whiffed and cut their losses.

I don't think it was a bad trade idea, and it is true Percy flashed uber talent here when he wanted to or when he was actually healthy. Harvin didn't buy in and Pete recognized he wasn't ever prepared to buy in. Ergo he's a Jet.

Percy when he was motivated/healthy showed the value was thought to have when Pn'J traded to acquire him unfortunately he was into Percy was seemingly a malingerer and a demonstrable head case. He's gone, good riddance!

 

[jammerhawk]

To me when Percy was on and actually into playing as part of a team instead of just for Percy the team was better and his presence caused nightmares for opposing Ds. The read option with Percy added was fun to watch and devastatingly effective until opponents spied it well or Percy didn't sell his part of the fakes or it became predictable.

He was a headcase and unable or unwilling to buy in to being a team player. Pn'J are good at finding players that they make the most of by coaching them up or allowing them to be all they are. Percy isn't mentally strong enough to play here even with his incredible talent ability. I think they just couldn't make him fit or get him to buy in to be part of Seahawks style football.

 

[Sports Hernia]

In many ways Percy was the reason Denver was shell shocked during the super bowl. The sweeps weren't prepared for and they had to account for it all game. Then he put the nail in the coffin with the td return. He may be gone but I will always appreciate what he did for us.

THIS! :th2thumbs:

....and the FO this year did what they had to do to get rid of a perceived locker room cancer.


Percy Harvin is a million dollar talent with a 10 cent head.

This team has moved on.

 

[RiverDog]

It was a whiff on a swing for the fence trade, and the good part at least was Pn'J relalized they'd whiffed and cut their losses.

I don't think it was a bad trade idea, and it is true Percy flashed uber talent here when he wanted to or when he was actually healthy. Harvin didn't buy in and Pete recognized he wasn't ever prepared to buy in. Ergo he's a Jet.

Percy when he was motivated/healthy showed the value was thought to have when Pn'J traded to acquire him unfortunately he was into Percy was seemingly a malingerer and a demonstrable head case. He's gone, good riddance!

That's a rationalization. I don't think many Bronco fans excused Denver's trading up for and drafting Tim Tebow by saying that at least they realized they whiffed and cut their losses. No sense trying to put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. It was a bad decision, no if's, and's, or but's.

But I will join you in applauding PC and JS for having the balls to make such a deal. I just wish it wasn't with that guy.

A note on the SB: I don't want to dismiss Harvin's contributions as they were significant and were a major factor in our win, but IMO that game was so lopsided, our defense so dominant, that there was no one single individual, including not only Harvin, but Russell Wilson, Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, or even Coach Carroll whose absence on the field on that day would have altered the outcome of that game. Only if we were missing several of those guys would have it made a difference in the ultimate outcome. It was that dominant.

 

[akscoundrel]

It was a whiff on a swing for the fence trade, and the good part at least was Pn'J relalized they'd whiffed and cut their losses.

I don't think it was a bad trade idea, and it is true Percy flashed uber talent here when he wanted to or when he was actually healthy. Harvin didn't buy in and Pete recognized he wasn't ever prepared to buy in. Ergo he's a Jet.

Percy when he was motivated/healthy showed the value was thought to have when Pn'J traded to acquire him unfortunately he was into Percy was seemingly a malingerer and a demonstrable head case. He's gone, good riddance!

That's a rationalization. I don't think many Bronco fans excused Denver's trading up for and drafting Tim Tebow by saying that at least they realized they whiffed and cut their losses. No sense trying to put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. It was a bad decision, no if's, and's, or but's.

But I will join you in applauding PC and JS for having the balls to make such a deal. I just wish it wasn't with that guy.

A note on the SB: I don't want to dismiss Harvin's contributions as they were significant and were a major factor in our win, but IMO that game was so lopsided, our defense so dominant, that there was no one single individual, including not only Harvin, but Russell Wilson, Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, or even Coach Carroll whose absence on the field on that day would have altered the outcome of that game. Only if we were missing several of those guys would have it made a difference in the ultimate outcome. It was that dominant.

You a lover scorned or something?

And of course hindsight is always 50/50. But its not like our organization is compromised or in shambles because of it. They built the best team in football, and that didn't come without taking risks (like drafting a short qb).

 

[RiverDog]

You a lover scorned or something?

And of course hindsight is always 50/50. But its not like our organization is compromised or in shambles because of it. They built the best team in football, and that didn't come without taking risks (like drafting a short qb).

Yea, I'm something alright. No doubt about that.

I absolutely agree with your last paragraph. You don't get ahead in this business by always following conventional wisdom and never taking any risks. There's 32 teams in this league, and with the parity that exists between franchises, you have to do something different to distinguish yourself from the other 31 teams. I'm glad Pete and John have the balls to make such a trade. At the time, we were perceived as being one player away from winning a Lombardi, and this guy had the potential to be that player.

I just wish it wasn't with this particular player, as it wasn't hindsight for me. I didn't like this trade and said so the day it was made, although I fully admit that was one of the few occasions where I got something right. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then.

 

[seabowl]

Any doubt now that the Percy trade was the catalyst?

 

[EastCoastHawksFan]

As much as I and many others hated to get rid of Percy, especially for as little as we got back for him, it was the catalyst for the turnaround. Our offense although not explosive has once again found its identity in running the ball in with a plethora of players and in many ways. I for one absolutely hated the trade but have to admit we would never be in this position today (in control of our own destiny) without getting rid of him.

Lastly, not that I wish bad on anyone but Percy now is getting what he asked for being that he is on a debacle of a team like the Jets.

For now it's all good.

I made a post back in June asking for John S to trade/release Percy and his cap number . I was happy the minute the trade happened . I went out back and did about 7 cartwheels and 2 back flips . It was an unpopular decision for sure. But thats because some people tune out the obvious.

 

[akscoundrel]

Any doubt now that the Percy trade was the catalyst?

Plenty of doubt that he was thee catalyst. Success next weekend won't change that either Knee, meet jerk.

Its not like we didn't continue playing poorly after the trade, and its not like you are not assuming that this is team couldn't be this hot with Percy on the team.

That's not to say that it wasn't a huge benefit to our organization that we traded him. Just saying, there are other factors like Wagner and chancellor coming back, us getting in our swag back (which we also had with Percy), and just being hot as *** right now.

Can't wait for the day that comes when we can go a day without hearing harvins name.