Loss is on offense

[Sgt. Largent]

Pete said he wished Russ would of checked down in OT. I don't see a check down option on the play he was speaking on. Carson did not get open until it was too late.

This is the play Pete was talking about.

https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/14 ... 35301?s=20

A defender flashed in front of Russell maybe blocking his view of Carson open to his left, but he was open for the check down.

Either way, no one can say the playcalling, protection or Russell were good the entire 2nd half and into over time. The offense had at least 2-3 chances to win that game, and executed poorly.

I know we all love Russell throwing it deep, and he does it well. But as this play illustrates he has always had tunnel vision downfield.

 

[hoxrox]

Pete said he wished Russ would of checked down in OT. I don't see a check down option on the play he was speaking on. Carson did not get open until it was too late.

This is the play Pete was talking about.

https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/14 ... 35301?s=20

A defender flashed in front of Russell maybe blocking his view of Carson open to his left, but he was open for the check down.

Either way, no one can say the playcalling, protection or Russell were good the entire 2nd half and into over time. The offense had at least 2-3 chances to win that game, and executed poorly.

I know we all love Russell throwing it deep, and he does it well. But as this play illustrates he has always had tunnel vision downfield.

Yeah I'm not anti-deep ball. It's a great weapon to have.

But where the attempt was made from didn't make sense. You go three and out, and it gives the other team great field position for the winning field goal.

There was 8 minutes left on the clock. This was a time for high-percentage plays...

 

[AgentDib]

Throwing a contested deep ball to DK there when we really just needed the first down was a terrible move in hindsight, but I think it's more complicated than Russ just wanting to play hero ball. As mentioned, it looks like he may have simply missed Carson and then his decision to get the ball out quickly would normally be laudable given our protection issues at the time. If he holds it and takes a sack then it's a worse decision.

I would split the blame there between the entire offense. That wasn't a particularly creative play call by Waldron in the first place and our lack of running to that point made it a lot easier for the Titans to play that pass. DK could have been a lot more open if they were remotely concerned about our ability to run on third and three. DK also deservedly is getting some heat, as it's likely that part of Russ's quick decision to go to him was to keep him happy after a quiet day, and it did end up being a contested but catchable ball. DK needs to be able to leverage his size and strength to go up and get those like Julio Jones did on the other side of the field earlier.

 

[hawk45]

Pete said he wished Russ would of checked down in OT. I don't see a check down option on the play he was speaking on. Carson did not get open until it was too late.

This is the play Pete was talking about.

https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/14 ... 35301?s=20

A defender flashed in front of Russell maybe blocking his view of Carson open to his left, but he was open for the check down.

Either way, no one can say the playcalling, protection or Russell were good the entire 2nd half and into over time. The offense had at least 2-3 chances to win that game, and executed poorly.

I know we all love Russell throwing it deep, and he does it well. But as this play illustrates he has always had tunnel vision downfield.

I think Russ loves deep outside throws, but that seems like an iffy example to ding him on. If Tyler was his first read, which it looked like it was, with that defender in the backfield it would have been awfully difficult for Russ to come off that first read and have time to hit Carson in the tiny sliver of time as the defender flashes by.

The overall play design is interesting. It looks to me like there are only 2 in the pattern, both towards the left side of the field, with Carson as outlet? It looks like they were trying to high-low what they thought would be a zone defender almost but it looked like Lockett's defender stayed with him in man (or carried him up the zone) plus there was safety help, and the other pattern (can't see the number by TE by how slow they were?) didn't scare anyone and ended up in the same vicinity. Everyone on the right was blocking, which may have been wise as poor as pass pro was, although pressure got through anyhow.

If you only have Lockett and one other person downfield then of course Lockett is going to get bracketed, he killed them all game.

At the time I definitely shook my head at Russ taking that shot on a bracketed receiver but it almost dropped in, and as I rewatch I don't see much else he could have done.

Anyhow, generally I agree that Russ doesn't take the underneath play enough. I also don't know what he was doing on the throw to DK on that same series. The whole series was super ugly with the game on the line.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Anyhow, generally I agree that Russ doesn't take the underneath play enough. I also don't know what he was doing on the throw to DK on that same series. The whole series was super ugly with the game on the line.

I think that's the general criticism, and this play is a microcosm of it.

The concern with me is it seems as Russell is getting older he's pressing more, instead of taking what's given to him, and defenses are seeing that.

How many times have we watched Brady, Brees and Manning dink and dunk down the field taking the 4-5 yard passes grinding down the clock and the opponent's defense to win games?

Russell loses patience too soon and reverts to low percentage 50/50 balls relying on his receivers to make plays, as opposed to methodically taking what's given.

Certainly was on full display yesterday in the 4th quarter and overtime.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Pete said he wished Russ would of checked down in OT. I don't see a check down option on the play he was speaking on. Carson did not get open until it was too late.

This is the play Pete was talking about.

https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/14 ... 35301?s=20

A defender flashed in front of Russell maybe blocking his view of Carson open to his left, but he was open for the check down.

Either way, no one can say the playcalling, protection or Russell were good the entire 2nd half and into over time. The offense had at least 2-3 chances to win that game, and executed poorly.

I know we all love Russell throwing it deep, and he does it well. But as this play illustrates he has always had tunnel vision downfield.

And that is why the Hawks (or any other team Russ plays for) will be able to get over the hump. It's not enough even, to get to the check down eventually in these late game situations. You have to get to the check down early enough that they still have space to get additional yards. Russ only gets there when he flees the pocket and has enough time to finally give up on the deep routes, but by that time it's catch and tackle for short gain. Guys like Brady and Brees recognize early on in a play that the check down or back releasing is gonna have a lot of space and get it to them right away while defenders still have their backs turned taking their drops. Those are the dump offs that gain 10-15 + yards that Seattle never ever has.

For better or worse, Russ has decided that the best thing for his legacy is connecting on those deep shots as often as possible no matter the game situation. Looks like he's still carrying a lot insecurity about all the game manager talk and the LOB's view of him. He wants Brady's praise, but there's a disconnect recognizing how Brady got to this point. He didn't get to this point throwing tons of deep balls and racking up 350+ yard games for 20 years. He got here by moving the chains in any way possible and cashing in at the end of more drives than not.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Throwing a contested deep ball to DK there when we really just needed the first down was a terrible move in hindsight, but I think it's more complicated than Russ just wanting to play hero ball. As mentioned, it looks like he may have simply missed Carson and then his decision to get the ball out quickly would normally be laudable given our protection issues at the time. If he holds it and takes a sack then it's a worse decision.

I would split the blame there between the entire offense. That wasn't a particularly creative play call by Waldron in the first place and our lack of running to that point made it a lot easier for the Titans to play that pass. DK could have been a lot more open if they were remotely concerned about our ability to run on third and three. DK also deservedly is getting some heat, as it's likely that part of Russ's quick decision to go to him was to keep him happy after a quiet day, and it did end up being a contested but catchable ball. DK needs to be able to leverage his size and strength to go up and get those like Julio Jones did on the other side of the field earlier.

If Russ is placating DK in anyway over what the team needs, then he isn't the leader of this football at all and his teammates know it. I have a hard time thinking he would let that happen. I certainly hope he isn't.

 

[ZagHawk]

I'm gonna say 20% on offense and 80% on defense and of course 100% on coaching (even though that math does not compute) because coaching determines the play calling on both sides of the ball and the discipline (or lack there of) for the players on the field)

Offense:
- RW passes in the end and pre-determined passes to his two favorite receivers
- DK being a hot head and then getting in his own head when he has a mediocre game and getting pushed around

Defense:
- Taunting penalty...unacceptable, flex to the camera, not on the receiver dummy.
- Roughing the passer, it was a late hit, dude was frustrated and wanted to hit the QB badly.
- 500+ yards, they got ran over...pun intended

Thankfully this is early in the season, it's a good time for the Hawks to learn some lessons vs late season. But as Hawk fans is still sucks to see a missed opportunity to go 2-0 (especially when the rest of the division is 2-0).

 

[Chawker]

58 dibs !

 

[FloridaSeahawk18]

Pete said he wished Russ would of checked down in OT. I don't see a check down option on the play he was speaking on. Carson did not get open until it was too late.

This is the play Pete was talking about.

https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/14 ... 35301?s=20

A defender flashed in front of Russell maybe blocking his view of Carson open to his left, but he was open for the check down.

Either way, no one can say the playcalling, protection or Russell were good the entire 2nd half and into over time. The offense had at least 2-3 chances to win that game, and executed poorly.

I know we all love Russell throwing it deep, and he does it well. But as this play illustrates he has always had tunnel vision downfield.

It doesnt help that he takes what looks like a 7-8 step drop which causes the interior pressure. Gabe Jackson/Brandan Shell block it perfectly if Russ just steps up and dumps it off to Carson.

 

[John63]

Okay let's look at this whole short-throw thing. Below is every pass play in regulation. The ones that say short were short passes all this is from ESPN play-by-play.

I think you will find 25* short passes

• 2nd & 8 at SEA 27
(14:32 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 30
(11:23 - 1st) R.Wilson pass deep left to T.Lockett to TEN 19 for 51 yards (B.McDougald).
• 3rd & 4 at TEN 13
(9:38 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 2nd & 10 at SEA 25
(2:16 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 29 for 4 yards (H.Landry).
• 3rd & 6 at SEA 29
(1:30 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to F.Swain to SEA 38 for 9 yards (J.Jenkins; D.Cruikshank).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 40
(0:10 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 44 for 4 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 4 at SEA 44
(15:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to D.Metcalf (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 19 at 50
(13:58 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain pushed ob at TEN 45 for 5 yards (H.Landry; D.Long). Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 17
(8:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 33 for 16 yards (E.Molden; R.Evans).
• 2nd & 6 at SEA 37
(6:34 - 2nd) Tyler Lockett Pass From Russell Wilson for 63 Yrds J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Ott, Holder-M.Dickson.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 25
(1:05 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Homer ran ob at SEA 36 for 11 yards (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 36
(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 44 for 8 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 44
(0:56 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain ran ob at TEN 44 for 12 yards (C.Jackson).
• (0:51 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by TEN at 00:51.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 44
(0:51 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf ran ob at TEN 36 for 8 yards.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 11
(0:29 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 2nd & 10 at TEN 11
(0:25 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett [O.Adeniyi]. PENALTY on TEN-C.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 11 - No Play.
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 19
(10:02 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett to SEA 20 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 21
(8:59 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 35 for 14 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 35
(8:26 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 45 for 10 yards.
• 2nd & 13 at SEA 42
(7:03 - 3rd) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 47 for 11 yards (J.Jenkins).
• (6:22 - 3rd) Timeout #1 by SEA at 06:22.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 34
(15:00 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to C.Carson pushed ob at SEA 36 for 2 yards (K.Byard). PENALTY on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 34 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 20 at SEA 24
(14:31 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain to SEA 25 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 2nd & 19 at SEA 25
(13:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to T.Lockett to SEA 32 for 7 yards (D.Long).
• 3rd & 12 at SEA 32
(13:06 - 4th) Freddie Swain 68 Yd pass from Russell Wilson (Jason Myers PAT failed)
• 2nd & 5 at SEA 30
(11:47 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to G.Everett to SEA 33 for 3 yards (K.Byard, J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 2 at SEA 33
(11:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep left to D.Metcalf (K.Fulton).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 3rd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:08 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf to SEA 39 for 7 yards (H.Landry; K.Byard).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 28
(0:24 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Homer to SEA 31 for 3 yards (K.Fulton).
• (0:17 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 00:17.
• 2nd & 7 at SEA 31
(0:17 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to G.Everett [B.Dupree]. SEA-B.Shell was injured during the play.
• (0:08 - 4th) Timeout #3 by SEA at 00:10. Required due to injury.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 43
(0:02 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 30 for 27 yards (C.Jackson).

Might help to actually look at the facts and not just make them up

 

[iigakusei]

Russ is amazing, but he has one huge weakness in that he can't (or won't) throw to the middle of the field, and rarely (if ever) hits the checkdown. Is Pete telling him not to do it? Maybe. But I personally don't think so.
https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/statu ... 94/photo/1

 

[John63]

Russ is amazing, but he has one huge weakness in that he can't (or won't) throw to the middle of the field, and rarely (if ever) hits the checkdown. Is Pete telling him not to do it? Maybe. But I personally don't think so.
https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/statu ... 94/photo/1

Hmm interesting he did it several times last game as the pass list I posted shows.

1st & 10 at SEA 17
(8:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short in middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 33 for 16 yards (E.Molden; R.Evans).

1st & 10 at SEA 21
(8:59 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 35 for 14 yards (J.Jenkins).


2nd & 19 at SEA 25
(13:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short in the middle to T.Lockett to SEA 32 for 7 yards (D.Long).


Ther is three to the middle so much for won't.

As to check-downs that is usually the RB so let's look a that

(0:24 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Homer to SEA 31 for 3 yards (K.Fulton).
• (0:17 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 00:17.


(15:00 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to C.Carson pushed ob at SEA 36 for 2 yards (K.Byard)

1st & 10 at SEA 25
(1:05 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Homer ran ob at SEA 36 for 11 yards (C.Jackson).

again there are 3 and while I can't know for sure they were check-downs pretty good percentage some were.

People believe what they want but it doe snot means its the truth.

 

[keasley45]

Okay let's look at this whole short-throw thing. Below is every pass play in regulation. The ones that say short were short passes all this is from ESPN play-by-play.

I think you will find 25* short passes

• 2nd & 8 at SEA 27
(14:32 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 30
(11:23 - 1st) R.Wilson pass deep left to T.Lockett to TEN 19 for 51 yards (B.McDougald).
• 3rd & 4 at TEN 13
(9:38 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 2nd & 10 at SEA 25
(2:16 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 29 for 4 yards (H.Landry).
• 3rd & 6 at SEA 29
(1:30 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to F.Swain to SEA 38 for 9 yards (J.Jenkins; D.Cruikshank).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 40
(0:10 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 44 for 4 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 4 at SEA 44
(15:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to D.Metcalf (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 19 at 50
(13:58 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain pushed ob at TEN 45 for 5 yards (H.Landry; D.Long). Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 17
(8:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 33 for 16 yards (E.Molden; R.Evans).
• 2nd & 6 at SEA 37
(6:34 - 2nd) Tyler Lockett Pass From Russell Wilson for 63 Yrds J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Ott, Holder-M.Dickson.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 25
(1:05 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Homer ran ob at SEA 36 for 11 yards (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 36
(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 44 for 8 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 44
(0:56 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain ran ob at TEN 44 for 12 yards (C.Jackson).
• (0:51 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by TEN at 00:51.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 44
(0:51 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf ran ob at TEN 36 for 8 yards.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 11
(0:29 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 2nd & 10 at TEN 11
(0:25 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett [O.Adeniyi]. PENALTY on TEN-C.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 11 - No Play.
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 19
(10:02 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett to SEA 20 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 21
(8:59 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 35 for 14 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 35
(8:26 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 45 for 10 yards.
• 2nd & 13 at SEA 42
(7:03 - 3rd) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 47 for 11 yards (J.Jenkins).
• (6:22 - 3rd) Timeout #1 by SEA at 06:22.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 34
(15:00 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to C.Carson pushed ob at SEA 36 for 2 yards (K.Byard). PENALTY on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 34 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 20 at SEA 24
(14:31 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain to SEA 25 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 2nd & 19 at SEA 25
(13:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to T.Lockett to SEA 32 for 7 yards (D.Long).
• 3rd & 12 at SEA 32
(13:06 - 4th) Freddie Swain 68 Yd pass from Russell Wilson (Jason Myers PAT failed)
• 2nd & 5 at SEA 30
(11:47 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to G.Everett to SEA 33 for 3 yards (K.Byard, J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 2 at SEA 33
(11:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep left to D.Metcalf (K.Fulton).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 3rd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:08 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf to SEA 39 for 7 yards (H.Landry; K.Byard).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 28
(0:24 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Homer to SEA 31 for 3 yards (K.Fulton).
• (0:17 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 00:17.
• 2nd & 7 at SEA 31
(0:17 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to G.Everett [B.Dupree]. SEA-B.Shell was injured during the play.
• (0:08 - 4th) Timeout #3 by SEA at 00:10. Required due to injury.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 43
(0:02 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 30 for 27 yards (C.Jackson).

Might help to actually look at the facts and not just make them up

Thats helpful in that it sheds light on a flaw in the passing game. Only 3 of those 25 passes went to the middle. And none went to a TE. Very few of the short game passes are aggressively schemed, attacking plays. They are often quick throws to the flat or along the sideline and seldom short to mid range middle of the field passes hitting a wr or TE in stride. When we do hit plays in those ranges they are often hooks where the receiver will either take his man upfield, brake and return to face the LOS to give Russ a target. OR, the WR will run up the field and find a spot in the Ds zone, and present to Russ.

We rarely if ever hit layered crossing routes over the middle. Nd if we do hit one its to lockett after he's crossed the entire field and broken several zones (ie. lonnngggg developing). Not having them allows a defense to sit comfortably and double our big threat guys or sit with eyes in the backfield to either cheat up to stop the run or nullify all of those short passes to the flat that we seem to throw exclusively. The above was obvious in the second half, and honestly the first half as well. in the 2nd half, the titans tightened up their back end to stop the big play, didnt even really have to guard the middle, and crashed down on the run and flat. In the first half, we presented enough of a running threat likely based on tape from last weeks game and some new plays, so that the titans played on edge a bit more and as a result, let Lockett and Swain get loose.

But once they realized that all we were going to do was what we did last year, they settled in and we played right into their hands. We literally gave their defense control.

The question is why. At this point its still the old question of whether its Pete pulling strings or Russ not being willing or able to threaten the short middle with quick timing passes.

All i'll say to that is from the post game assessments from Pete and Russ, Pete seemed puzzled if not frustrated as to why we didnt take what was there and move the chains instead of going long so often.

Russ seem to defend going long because of the big plays that resulted to Lock and Swain, AND ackowledged basically that it was his choice to not look to the TE's or more 'available plays (speaking specifically of his defense of his decisions in the OT possession).

And those two above critiques from the coach and qb make it obvious to me that the decision to hit the big play over the grind it out, chain moving, but attacking completion, or even setting up the run game off the pass... that was Russ.

We HAVE To run the ball better and more often, with more creativity and Russ HAS to make it a point to develop the short passing threat if we are going to have any chance of success this season.

If we dont involve the TE in a game, the answer as to why cannot be 'the defense didnt do anything in particular to take them away, we just chose to look long' (paraphrasing). That's losing football. Its high splash, highlight real plays when they work, and 3 and out the rest of the way. this team has too much talent around the QB for that to happen.

 

[John63]

Okay let's look at this whole short-throw thing. Below is every pass play in regulation. The ones that say short were short passes all this is from ESPN play-by-play.

I think you will find 25* short passes

• 2nd & 8 at SEA 27
(14:32 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 30
(11:23 - 1st) R.Wilson pass deep left to T.Lockett to TEN 19 for 51 yards (B.McDougald).
• 3rd & 4 at TEN 13
(9:38 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 2nd & 10 at SEA 25
(2:16 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 29 for 4 yards (H.Landry).
• 3rd & 6 at SEA 29
(1:30 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to F.Swain to SEA 38 for 9 yards (J.Jenkins; D.Cruikshank).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 40
(0:10 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 44 for 4 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 4 at SEA 44
(15:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to D.Metcalf (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 19 at 50
(13:58 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain pushed ob at TEN 45 for 5 yards (H.Landry; D.Long). Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 17
(8:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 33 for 16 yards (E.Molden; R.Evans).
• 2nd & 6 at SEA 37
(6:34 - 2nd) Tyler Lockett Pass From Russell Wilson for 63 Yrds J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Ott, Holder-M.Dickson.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 25
(1:05 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Homer ran ob at SEA 36 for 11 yards (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 36
(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 44 for 8 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 44
(0:56 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain ran ob at TEN 44 for 12 yards (C.Jackson).
• (0:51 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by TEN at 00:51.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 44
(0:51 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf ran ob at TEN 36 for 8 yards.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 11
(0:29 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 2nd & 10 at TEN 11
(0:25 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett [O.Adeniyi]. PENALTY on TEN-C.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 11 - No Play.
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 19
(10:02 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett to SEA 20 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 21
(8:59 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 35 for 14 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 35
(8:26 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 45 for 10 yards.
• 2nd & 13 at SEA 42
(7:03 - 3rd) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 47 for 11 yards (J.Jenkins).
• (6:22 - 3rd) Timeout #1 by SEA at 06:22.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 34
(15:00 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to C.Carson pushed ob at SEA 36 for 2 yards (K.Byard). PENALTY on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 34 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 20 at SEA 24
(14:31 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain to SEA 25 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 2nd & 19 at SEA 25
(13:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to T.Lockett to SEA 32 for 7 yards (D.Long).
• 3rd & 12 at SEA 32
(13:06 - 4th) Freddie Swain 68 Yd pass from Russell Wilson (Jason Myers PAT failed)
• 2nd & 5 at SEA 30
(11:47 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to G.Everett to SEA 33 for 3 yards (K.Byard, J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 2 at SEA 33
(11:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep left to D.Metcalf (K.Fulton).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 3rd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:08 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf to SEA 39 for 7 yards (H.Landry; K.Byard).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 28
(0:24 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Homer to SEA 31 for 3 yards (K.Fulton).
• (0:17 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 00:17.
• 2nd & 7 at SEA 31
(0:17 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to G.Everett [B.Dupree]. SEA-B.Shell was injured during the play.
• (0:08 - 4th) Timeout #3 by SEA at 00:10. Required due to injury.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 43
(0:02 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 30 for 27 yards (C.Jackson).

Might help to actually look at the facts and not just make them up

Thats helpful in that it sheds light on a flaw in the passing game. Only 3 of those 25 passes went to the middle. And none went to a TE. Very few of the short game passes are aggressively schemed, attacking plays. They are often quick throws to the flat or along the sideline and seldom short to mid range middle of the field passes hitting a wr or TE in stride. When we do hit plays in those ranges they are often hooks where the receiver will either take his man upfield, brake and return to face the LOS to give Russ a target. OR, the WR will run up the field and find a spot in the Ds zone, and present to Russ.

We rarely if ever hit layered crossing routes over the middle. Nd if we do hit one its to lockett after he's crossed the entire field and broken several zones (ie. lonnngggg developing). Not having them allows a defense to sit comfortably and double our big threat guys or sit with eyes in the backfield to either cheat up to stop the run or nullify all of those short passes to the flat that we seem to throw exclusively. The above was obvious in the second half, and honestly the first half as well. in the 2nd half, the titans tightened up their back end to stop the big play, didnt even really have to guard the middle, and crashed down on the run and flat. In the first half, we presented enough of a running threat likely based on tape from last weeks game and some new plays, so that the titans played on edge a bit more and as a result, let Lockett and Swain get loose.

But once they realized that all we were going to do was what we did last year, they settled in and we played right into their hands. We literally gave their defense control.

The question is why. At this point its still the old question of whether its Pete pulling strings or Russ not being willing or able to threaten the short middle with quick timing passes.

All i'll say to that is from the post game assessments from Pete and Russ, Pete seemed puzzled if not frustrated as to why we didnt take what was there and move the chains instead of going long so often.

Russ seem to defend going long because of the big plays that resulted to Lock and Swain, AND ackowledged basically that it was his choice to not look to the TE's or more 'available plays (speaking specifically of his defense of his decisions in the OT possession).

And those two above critiques from the coach and qb make it obvious to me that the decision to hit the big play over the grind it out, chain moving, but attacking completion, or even setting up the run game off the pass... that was Russ.

We HAVE To run the ball better and more often, with more creativity and Russ HAS to make it a point to develop the short passing threat if we are going to have any chance of success this season.

If we dont involve the TE in a game, the answer as to why cannot be 'the defense didnt do anything in particular to take them away, we just chose to look long' (paraphrasing). That's losing football. Its high splash, highlight real plays when they work, and 3 and out the rest of the way. this team has too much talent around the QB for that to happen.

A lot of what you say I agree with. The biggest thing I have is where was all the motion and movement. Why did they go away from that The Russ has to develop short passing mos of his passes by a huge number were short? So that was not an issue.

It seems people look at the OT series and then say he never used the short pass when the plays I posted clearly show he used it a lot. So that narrative is false.

AS to the aggressive attacking plays well that's an OC thing.

I have questions and I am sure some was on Russ, but I think a lot appears to be a change in the plan from last week to this week. Again little to no motion or movement or misdirection. That said I don't put most of the blame for the loss on the offense I put it where it belongs to the defense.

 

[hoxrox]

The question is why. At this point its still the old question of whether its Pete pulling strings or Russ not being willing or able to threaten the short middle with quick timing passes.

All i'll say to that is from the post game assessments from Pete and Russ, Pete seemed puzzled if not frustrated as to why we didnt take what was there and move the chains instead of going long so often.

Russ seem to defend going long because of the big plays that resulted to Lock and Swain, AND ackowledged basically that it was his choice to not look to the TE's or more 'available plays (speaking specifically of his defense of his decisions in the OT possession).

And those two above critiques from the coach and qb make it obvious to me that the decision to hit the big play over the grind it out, chain moving, but attacking completion, or even setting up the run game off the pass... that was Russ.

Between Russell's offseason power play, the offense we've seen so far, and all the interviews we've heard, I'm leaning towards this is a Waldron/Russell offense, with Russell's freedom and ability to override calls as he sees fit.

If the offense is successful, I expect Pete to be hands off and let them do their thing.

If Pete continues to field questions after the game about "why the offense couldn't get a first down" etc, I expect him to speak up at their next meeting.

 

[hoxrox]

I have questions and I am sure some was on Russ, but I think a lot appears to be a change in the plan from last week to this week. Again little to no motion or movement or misdirection.

Perhaps you can ask your insider Seahawk contact for all the details.

Inquiring minds want to know. :lol:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

my mom's best friend's uncle's step mothers' boyfriends little brother said that the Hawks are gonna' try to win on Sunday and that Russ hates everyone. It's all about who you know.

 

[chris98251]

Okay let's look at this whole short-throw thing. Below is every pass play in regulation. The ones that say short were short passes all this is from ESPN play-by-play.

I think you will find 25* short passes

• 2nd & 8 at SEA 27
(14:32 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 30
(11:23 - 1st) R.Wilson pass deep left to T.Lockett to TEN 19 for 51 yards (B.McDougald).
• 3rd & 4 at TEN 13
(9:38 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 2nd & 10 at SEA 25
(2:16 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 29 for 4 yards (H.Landry).
• 3rd & 6 at SEA 29
(1:30 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to F.Swain to SEA 38 for 9 yards (J.Jenkins; D.Cruikshank).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 40
(0:10 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 44 for 4 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 4 at SEA 44
(15:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to D.Metcalf (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 19 at 50
(13:58 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain pushed ob at TEN 45 for 5 yards (H.Landry; D.Long). Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 17
(8:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 33 for 16 yards (E.Molden; R.Evans).
• 2nd & 6 at SEA 37
(6:34 - 2nd) Tyler Lockett Pass From Russell Wilson for 63 Yrds J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Ott, Holder-M.Dickson.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 25
(1:05 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Homer ran ob at SEA 36 for 11 yards (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 36
(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 44 for 8 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 44
(0:56 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain ran ob at TEN 44 for 12 yards (C.Jackson).
• (0:51 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by TEN at 00:51.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 44
(0:51 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf ran ob at TEN 36 for 8 yards.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 11
(0:29 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 2nd & 10 at TEN 11
(0:25 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett [O.Adeniyi]. PENALTY on TEN-C.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 11 - No Play.
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 19
(10:02 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett to SEA 20 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 21
(8:59 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 35 for 14 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 35
(8:26 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 45 for 10 yards.
• 2nd & 13 at SEA 42
(7:03 - 3rd) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 47 for 11 yards (J.Jenkins).
• (6:22 - 3rd) Timeout #1 by SEA at 06:22.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 34
(15:00 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to C.Carson pushed ob at SEA 36 for 2 yards (K.Byard). PENALTY on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 34 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 20 at SEA 24
(14:31 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain to SEA 25 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 2nd & 19 at SEA 25
(13:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to T.Lockett to SEA 32 for 7 yards (D.Long).
• 3rd & 12 at SEA 32
(13:06 - 4th) Freddie Swain 68 Yd pass from Russell Wilson (Jason Myers PAT failed)
• 2nd & 5 at SEA 30
(11:47 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to G.Everett to SEA 33 for 3 yards (K.Byard, J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 2 at SEA 33
(11:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep left to D.Metcalf (K.Fulton).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 3rd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:08 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf to SEA 39 for 7 yards (H.Landry; K.Byard).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 28
(0:24 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Homer to SEA 31 for 3 yards (K.Fulton).
• (0:17 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 00:17.
• 2nd & 7 at SEA 31
(0:17 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to G.Everett [B.Dupree]. SEA-B.Shell was injured during the play.
• (0:08 - 4th) Timeout #3 by SEA at 00:10. Required due to injury.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 43
(0:02 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 30 for 27 yards (C.Jackson).

Might help to actually look at the facts and not just make them up

Thats helpful in that it sheds light on a flaw in the passing game. Only 3 of those 25 passes went to the middle. And none went to a TE. Very few of the short game passes are aggressively schemed, attacking plays. They are often quick throws to the flat or along the sideline and seldom short to mid range middle of the field passes hitting a wr or TE in stride. When we do hit plays in those ranges they are often hooks where the receiver will either take his man upfield, brake and return to face the LOS to give Russ a target. OR, the WR will run up the field and find a spot in the Ds zone, and present to Russ.

We rarely if ever hit layered crossing routes over the middle. Nd if we do hit one its to lockett after he's crossed the entire field and broken several zones (ie. lonnngggg developing). Not having them allows a defense to sit comfortably and double our big threat guys or sit with eyes in the backfield to either cheat up to stop the run or nullify all of those short passes to the flat that we seem to throw exclusively. The above was obvious in the second half, and honestly the first half as well. in the 2nd half, the titans tightened up their back end to stop the big play, didnt even really have to guard the middle, and crashed down on the run and flat. In the first half, we presented enough of a running threat likely based on tape from last weeks game and some new plays, so that the titans played on edge a bit more and as a result, let Lockett and Swain get loose.

But once they realized that all we were going to do was what we did last year, they settled in and we played right into their hands. We literally gave their defense control.

The question is why. At this point its still the old question of whether its Pete pulling strings or Russ not being willing or able to threaten the short middle with quick timing passes.

All i'll say to that is from the post game assessments from Pete and Russ, Pete seemed puzzled if not frustrated as to why we didnt take what was there and move the chains instead of going long so often.

Russ seem to defend going long because of the big plays that resulted to Lock and Swain, AND ackowledged basically that it was his choice to not look to the TE's or more 'available plays (speaking specifically of his defense of his decisions in the OT possession).

And those two above critiques from the coach and qb make it obvious to me that the decision to hit the big play over the grind it out, chain moving, but attacking completion, or even setting up the run game off the pass... that was Russ.

We HAVE To run the ball better and more often, with more creativity and Russ HAS to make it a point to develop the short passing threat if we are going to have any chance of success this season.

If we dont involve the TE in a game, the answer as to why cannot be 'the defense didnt do anything in particular to take them away, we just chose to look long' (paraphrasing). That's losing football. Its high splash, highlight real plays when they work, and 3 and out the rest of the way. this team has too much talent around the QB for that to happen.

A lot of what you say I agree with. The biggest thing I have is where was all the motion and movement. Why did they go away from that The Russ has to develop short passing mos of his passes by a huge number were short? So that was not an issue.

It seems people look at the OT series and then say he never used the short pass when the plays I posted clearly show he used it a lot. So that narrative is false.

AS to the aggressive attacking plays well that's an OC thing.

I have questions and I am sure some was on Russ, but I think a lot appears to be a change in the plan from last week to this week. Again little to no motion or movement or misdirection. That said I don't put most of the blame for the loss on the offense I put it where it belongs to the defense.

Long laterals are considered a pass, but if your not gett8ng yardage and they are sniffed out regularly and just a dump off since he won't throw over the middle then its stat padding.

Take that defense to the Peoples Court it's worn out.

Actually Benching Wilson to wake him up may not be a bad idea really either, he needs to be smarter and not play Hero ball, he has talent around him, he should not need to. Just a Quarter or so, un announced to get his attention.

 

[John63]

Okay let's look at this whole short-throw thing. Below is every pass play in regulation. The ones that say short were short passes all this is from ESPN play-by-play.

I think you will find 25* short passes

• 2nd & 8 at SEA 27
(14:32 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 30
(11:23 - 1st) R.Wilson pass deep left to T.Lockett to TEN 19 for 51 yards (B.McDougald).
• 3rd & 4 at TEN 13
(9:38 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 2nd & 10 at SEA 25
(2:16 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 29 for 4 yards (H.Landry).
• 3rd & 6 at SEA 29
(1:30 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to F.Swain to SEA 38 for 9 yards (J.Jenkins; D.Cruikshank).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 40
(0:10 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Metcalf to SEA 44 for 4 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 4 at SEA 44
(15:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to D.Metcalf (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 19 at 50
(13:58 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain pushed ob at TEN 45 for 5 yards (H.Landry; D.Long). Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 17
(8:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 33 for 16 yards (E.Molden; R.Evans).
• 2nd & 6 at SEA 37
(6:34 - 2nd) Tyler Lockett Pass From Russell Wilson for 63 Yrds J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Ott, Holder-M.Dickson.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 25
(1:05 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Homer ran ob at SEA 36 for 11 yards (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 36
(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 44 for 8 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 44
(0:56 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain ran ob at TEN 44 for 12 yards (C.Jackson).
• (0:51 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by TEN at 00:51.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 44
(0:51 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf ran ob at TEN 36 for 8 yards.
• 1st & 10 at TEN 11
(0:29 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short left to D.Metcalf.
• 2nd & 10 at TEN 11
(0:25 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett [O.Adeniyi]. PENALTY on TEN-C.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 11 - No Play.
• 2nd & 2 at SEA 19
(10:02 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett to SEA 20 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 21
(8:59 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Metcalf to SEA 35 for 14 yards (J.Jenkins).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 35
(8:26 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett ran ob at SEA 45 for 10 yards.
• 2nd & 13 at SEA 42
(7:03 - 3rd) R.Wilson pass short right to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 47 for 11 yards (J.Jenkins).
• (6:22 - 3rd) Timeout #1 by SEA at 06:22.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 34
(15:00 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to C.Carson pushed ob at SEA 36 for 2 yards (K.Byard). PENALTY on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 34 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-D.Metcalf, Offensive Holding, declined.
• 1st & 20 at SEA 24
(14:31 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to F.Swain to SEA 25 for 1 yard (C.Jackson).
• 2nd & 19 at SEA 25
(13:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to T.Lockett to SEA 32 for 7 yards (D.Long).
• 3rd & 12 at SEA 32
(13:06 - 4th) Freddie Swain 68 Yd pass from Russell Wilson (Jason Myers PAT failed)
• 2nd & 5 at SEA 30
(11:47 - 4th) R.Wilson pass short left to G.Everett to SEA 33 for 3 yards (K.Byard, J.Jenkins).
• 3rd & 2 at SEA 33
(11:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep left to D.Metcalf (K.Fulton).
• 2nd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to T.Lockett.
• 3rd & 8 at SEA 32
(5:08 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Metcalf to SEA 39 for 7 yards (H.Landry; K.Byard).
• 1st & 10 at SEA 28
(0:24 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Homer to SEA 31 for 3 yards (K.Fulton).
• (0:17 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 00:17.
• 2nd & 7 at SEA 31
(0:17 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to G.Everett [B.Dupree]. SEA-B.Shell was injured during the play.
• (0:08 - 4th) Timeout #3 by SEA at 00:10. Required due to injury.
• 1st & 10 at SEA 43
(0:02 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to T.Lockett pushed ob at TEN 30 for 27 yards (C.Jackson).

Might help to actually look at the facts and not just make them up

Thats helpful in that it sheds light on a flaw in the passing game. Only 3 of those 25 passes went to the middle. And none went to a TE. Very few of the short game passes are aggressively schemed, attacking plays. They are often quick throws to the flat or along the sideline and seldom short to mid range middle of the field passes hitting a wr or TE in stride. When we do hit plays in those ranges they are often hooks where the receiver will either take his man upfield, brake and return to face the LOS to give Russ a target. OR, the WR will run up the field and find a spot in the Ds zone, and present to Russ.

We rarely if ever hit layered crossing routes over the middle. Nd if we do hit one its to lockett after he's crossed the entire field and broken several zones (ie. lonnngggg developing). Not having them allows a defense to sit comfortably and double our big threat guys or sit with eyes in the backfield to either cheat up to stop the run or nullify all of those short passes to the flat that we seem to throw exclusively. The above was obvious in the second half, and honestly the first half as well. in the 2nd half, the titans tightened up their back end to stop the big play, didnt even really have to guard the middle, and crashed down on the run and flat. In the first half, we presented enough of a running threat likely based on tape from last weeks game and some new plays, so that the titans played on edge a bit more and as a result, let Lockett and Swain get loose.

But once they realized that all we were going to do was what we did last year, they settled in and we played right into their hands. We literally gave their defense control.

The question is why. At this point its still the old question of whether its Pete pulling strings or Russ not being willing or able to threaten the short middle with quick timing passes.

All i'll say to that is from the post game assessments from Pete and Russ, Pete seemed puzzled if not frustrated as to why we didnt take what was there and move the chains instead of going long so often.

Russ seem to defend going long because of the big plays that resulted to Lock and Swain, AND ackowledged basically that it was his choice to not look to the TE's or more 'available plays (speaking specifically of his defense of his decisions in the OT possession).

And those two above critiques from the coach and qb make it obvious to me that the decision to hit the big play over the grind it out, chain moving, but attacking completion, or even setting up the run game off the pass... that was Russ.

We HAVE To run the ball better and more often, with more creativity and Russ HAS to make it a point to develop the short passing threat if we are going to have any chance of success this season.

If we dont involve the TE in a game, the answer as to why cannot be 'the defense didnt do anything in particular to take them away, we just chose to look long' (paraphrasing). That's losing football. Its high splash, highlight real plays when they work, and 3 and out the rest of the way. this team has too much talent around the QB for that to happen.

A lot of what you say I agree with. The biggest thing I have is where was all the motion and movement. Why did they go away from that The Russ has to develop short passing mos of his passes by a huge number were short? So that was not an issue.

It seems people look at the OT series and then say he never used the short pass when the plays I posted clearly show he used it a lot. So that narrative is false.

AS to the aggressive attacking plays well that's an OC thing.

I have questions and I am sure some was on Russ, but I think a lot appears to be a change in the plan from last week to this week. Again little to no motion or movement or misdirection. That said I don't put most of the blame for the loss on the offense I put it where it belongs to the defense.

Long laterals are considered a pass, but if your not gett8ng yardage and they are sniffed out regularly and just a dump off since he won't throw over the middle then its stat padding.

Take that defense to the Peoples Court it's worn out.

Actually Benching Wilson to wake him up may not be a bad idea really either, he needs to be smarter and not play Hero ball, he has talent around him, he should not need to. Just a Quarter or so, unannounced to get his attention.

and yet several were over the middle AS to your whole lateral were does it show in the past list a lateral? Answer it does not. Sorry but your need to ignore and dilute the FACTS to suit your purpose is what's old. I would tell you to take your stance to the people's court but you could not even get in since your facts are wrong again. As to your whole getting yards hmm let's see shall we, hmm 171 yards all off short passes. facts matter you should have counted before saying false hoods.