Loss is on offense

[John63]

Nobody wins this debate because both sides are correct. Both offense and defense bagged the second half. On top of that terrible discipline on both sides as well = coaching issues. What the hell is DJ's problem? Newsflash!! "The Cool Blue Hairdo isn't working Hothead".

Do you mean DK?

 

[Seymour]

Nobody wins this debate because both sides are correct. Both offense and defense bagged the second half. On top of that terrible discipline on both sides as well = coaching issues. What the hell is DJ's problem? Newsflash!! "The Cool Blue Hairdo isn't working Hothead".

Do you mean DK?

Correct. Who else was sporting blue hair and went off on a rash of stupid penalties?

 

[supahawk]

Do you mean DK

No John, he clearly meant DJ and it wasn't a spelling error. Dumb ass.

 

[cymatica]

What would the defense need to give up for it to be their fault? 600 yards and 40 points?

The Seahawks offense could have gotten every drive on the Titans 5 yard line and scored 30 points. Doesn't matter, a defense giving up 500 yards AND 30 points? LOL. How?

Well we know how. The best RB in the league. But still

They did their job when it mattered most. They got a turnover on a ball control team and got a stop in OT, just to watch a deflating 3 and out yet again. The offense was pretty damn lucky to get 30 the way they played. The offense is our strength, you can't have 1 drive over 2 minutes and expect an average defense to carry the load

 

[John63]

What would the defense need to give up for it to be their fault? 600 yards and 40 points?

The Seahawks offense could have gotten every drive on the Titans 5 yard line and scored 30 points. Doesn't matter, a defense giving up 500 yards AND 30 points? LOL. How?

Well we know how. The best RB in the league. But still

They did their job when it mattered most. They got a turnover on a ball control team and got a stop in OT, just to watch a deflating 3 and out yet again. The offense was pretty damn lucky to get 30 the way they played. The offense is our strength, you can't have 1 drive over 2 minutes and expect an average defense to carry the load

o so forget we ha a td lead with under 4 minutes to go, forget we had a 2 score lead with under a qtr. All that matters is while the defense let them get us to OT we had a chance deep in our end zone and we did not. The fact we never should have been in OT but the defense giving up that 2 score lead with under a qtr does not matter. How well ridiculous.

Again if the defense does not give up 3 tds in the 2nd half and 2 of them in the 4th qtr with 1 in under 50 seconds and the other with under 4 minutes to go we don't get to OT.

 

[flv]

The Seahawks aren't a juggernaut. The rushing offense is mediocre, the passing offense is in playbook transition, and the defense has flaws against both run and pass. Wilson isn't the only guy who performs 4th quarter heroics. Multiple teams gave up a 2-score lead this week. Any given Sunday.

 

[snowleopard]

Once Myers missed that point I did feel that if Seattle were going to win, it had to be in regulation because Seattle were not going to score again. Both offense and defense looked gassed.
Fitness levels are not where they should be right now and that really showed today. The Titans kept running all day, they were so much fitter and I do not think anyone can deny the better team won.
As for who to blame, and there has been a lot of finger pointing on this thread, it is everyone for a lack of fitness and stamina and there is no real excuse for that.

 

[Fade]

Did you watch the game or do stats tell the whole story. Offense had 6 points in the second half off a broken play. Defense was gassed

A question for all of you out there with this stance. How many three-and-outs did the Seahawks defense force?

There is a flipside to that coin in other words. The offense rotted on the bench and went cold, because the defense couldn't get off the field to save their lives. They bled out from Pete's keep everything in front style. Death by a thousand papercuts, softzone, allowing easy completion after easy completion. If they could get a stop on 3rd down the defense could get off the field and rest, but I guess that is too much to ask of a Pete Carroll defense.

The offense had no plan in the 2nd half as indicated by Lockett, cause for concern. But they can at least point to things to fix, and get back on track to the style they played in week 1.

The defense on the other hand is a lost cause and is schematically broken. The defense is going to get taken out to the woodshed anytime they play a competent QB.

- Softzone with 3 LBs consistently get matched up with WRs.

- Dropping DEs into coverage.

- Tre Flowers playing way off because if he doesn't he will get roasted deep.
(Better to give up a 15 yarder than a 50 yarder.)

- No stunts, twists, or running games upfront to cause confusion for the opponent O-Line.

- Never mask coverage, telegraph and declare what coverage you're playing snap after snap. Hell just play the same coverage snap after snap, it will eventually work. Ha ha.

- If all else fails telegraph a Jamal Adams blitz, rinse, repeat.

- This defensive scheme is a joke. And is the biggest take away from this game.

 

[hawks85]

When an offense scores 30 points, there is no logical way you can blame the offense for a loss. They gave up 17 points straight.

Granted, I am actually not upset. The Titans have had our number recently. They're an AFC opponent. Derrick Henry is a HOF running back for a reason. Nearly impossible to stop when a game is close enough. Kudos to the Titans for not getting away from the run.

A defense cannot...and I mean cannot give up that many yards and points. I don't care how long they're on the field, it just can't happen. Yes the offense sputtered, yes Russ missed some throws, yes the offense looked very different compared to last week. All of that is true, but the defense lost this game.

BINGO!!! People don't listen one bit. The Hawks were up 24-9 at halftime and blew it.

 

[Chawker]

like Henry that like Campbell, Okoya, Riggens, Czonka, will physically beat you up by themselves.

So everything you said here is wrong.

Larry Czonka was never a future back.

Riggens and Okoya are not players who played in the NFL. You can google their names then put the real ones in after you edit your post.

Campbell played 50 years ago.

The defense failed at every level of play. They gave away stupid penalties. They could not stop the run and they could not stop the pass.

All of those backs were big bruiser types of runners, if you don't know about them you must be a teenager.

 

[xray]

The better team won yesterday . No excuses please . The Hawks better forget this game and concentrate on the Vikings who are a better team than the Titans . IMO

 

[Elemas]

I’ll take the easy way out and say both sides of the ball. Even with the horrible 3rd down conversion rate, we still managed to put up 30. The 3rd down conversion rate definitely kept our D on the field too long.

But you can’t give up 237 yards, 182 of them being rushing, and expect a win…

Gotta go with Defense here.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Nobody wins this debate because both sides are correct. Both offense and defense bagged the second half. On top of that terrible discipline on both sides as well = coaching issues. What the hell is DK's problem? Newsflash!! "The Cool Blue Hairdo isn't working Hothead".

This is the correct answer

 

[Sgt Largent]

Arguing that one side of the ball is to blame seems a bit ridiculous. Offense needed a little more in the second half. Defense needs to get themselves off the field.

I will say this. It's convenient that all the offense haters think the offense is the one responsible for getting the defense some rest. You know what, force a few 3 and outs instead of 10 play drive after 10 play drive and you can get plenty of rest.

I think we had one possession in the 3rd quarter? Completely changed the tempo of the game and allowed the Titans to get rolling.

 

[AgentDib]

All of those backs were big bruiser types of runners, if you don't know about them you must be a teenager.

Not to make you feel old, but anybody who watched Csonka in his prime is in their 60s now (at least).

I will say this. It's convenient that all the offense haters think the offense is the one responsible for getting the defense some rest. You know what, force a few 3 and outs instead of 10 play drive after 10 play drive and you can get plenty of rest.

I agree that it's silly to blame one side when it was clearly a team loss, but it does make sense for this defense to play soft when protecting a 14 and 15 point lead. Giving up the 60 yard TD run to Henry was a huge mistake on defense, and then the offense not being able to burn any clock at all was an equally huge problem on offense.

We did neither. Russ threw to who he wanted and to the guys that he thought could give him the big play and not necessarily just the first down. It was obvious in OT and he admitted deliberately not going to the TE during the game.

The offense was definitely an issue, but I don't think we can separate responsibility that easily. This was Waldron's second game calling plays ever and we don't know the specifics of which plays he was sending Russ and how Russ was changing them through audibles. The OL was struggling and DK had a bad game. I'm not that worried about Carson specifically because he had more yards after contact than total yards, but our complete inability to get the run game going in a situation that calls for a running game is very concerning.

 

[cymatica]

Not blaming one side only, but the defense was doing their job until the offense completely took a dump in the 2nd half. Of course Henry will wear down a defense when your offense keeps punting on short drives.

 

[JustTheTip]

Plenty of blame to go around. Offense sucked (homerun ball or nothing), defense sucked and even special teams contributed to this L. Make that damn PAT and we may have won it in regulation.


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When there is plenty of blame to go around, the logical thing to do is roll it all up to the top.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Pete said he wished Russ would of checked down in OT. I don't see a check down option on the play he was speaking on. Carson did not get open until it was too late.

 

[TwistedHusky]

We were on offense in overtime.

We had the ball.

The defense had a stop.

We just needed to march down the field to score.

We chose a low % series of plays and inexplicably leaned on the defense, when the defense was the problem for most of the game.

The offense screwed up because all they had to do was score.

What the defense did before or after was immaterial. We had the game in overtime and the strength of our team, the offense, had the ball against one of the worst secondaries in the league and a pretty average defense.

It would not matter if the defense gave up 16,000 yds in the game earlier because the offense had the chance to win it and chose to do things that did not move the chains. You have to pin this game on the offense, because that is the part of the team we expect to deliver.

Nobody should expect anything from this defense but disappointment. But we should expect this offense to deliver because that is supposed to be the strength of this team.

If the offense cannot overcome this defense, then we are screwed.

 

[chris98251]

All of those backs were big bruiser types of runners, if you don't know about them you must be a teenager.

Not to make you feel old, but anybody who watched Csonka in his prime is in their 60s now (at least).

I will say this. It's convenient that all the offense haters think the offense is the one responsible for getting the defense some rest. You know what, force a few 3 and outs instead of 10 play drive after 10 play drive and you can get plenty of rest.

I agree that it's silly to blame one side when it was clearly a team loss, but it does make sense for this defense to play soft when protecting a 14 and 15 point lead. Giving up the 60 yard TD run to Henry was a huge mistake on defense, and then the offense not being able to burn any clock at all was an equally huge problem on offense.

We did neither. Russ threw to who he wanted and to the guys that he thought could give him the big play and not necessarily just the first down. It was obvious in OT and he admitted deliberately not going to the TE during the game.

The offense was definitely an issue, but I don't think we can separate responsibility that easily. This was Waldron's second game calling plays ever and we don't know the specifics of which plays he was sending Russ and how Russ was changing them through audibles. The OL was struggling and DK had a bad game. I'm not that worried about Carson specifically because he had more yards after contact than total yards, but our complete inability to get the run game going in a situation that calls for a running game is very concerning.

Also seen Jim Brown play his last season, that was just unfair since he was as big as a lineman in those days and as fast as a WR not to mention his power.

It would be like Shaquille being as quick as Gary Payton, being able to shoot like Fred Brown, rebound like Moses Malone and have the ball handling of Calvin Murphy in one player and still be what 7"2 or so.