Loss is on offense

[Boycie]

They gave up over 500 yards on defense. That is in no way the offenses fault.

Then you didn't watch the game, your defense can't be on the field that much with a back like Henry pounding the ball and also playing prevent defense over half the game with a lead.

The u did not watch the game your defense has to get off the files themselves not give up 60% on 3rd down.

Do you love the Seahawks or Russ more? It’s a serious question, because you seem to always find a scape goat other than him. TBF, he wasn’t the reason we lost though!

 

[John63]

The whole team was bad, but it does seem that no matter what the scheme, Russ still makes a lot of the same bad decisions. He just is what he is at this point. Those last offensive drives were unforgivable.

Ahh u realize that most of his passes were short and he completed over 70%. So your assessment is wrong.

Most QBs have a high completion percentage when their passes are short.

Very good but the point was if u read he said bad decisions when u compete over 70% and u offense scores 30 points saying he makes alot of bad decisions is just plain crap.

 

[chris98251]

The whole team was bad, but it does seem that no matter what the scheme, Russ still makes a lot of the same bad decisions. He just is what he is at this point. Those last offensive drives were unforgivable.

Ahh u realize that most of his passes were short and he completed over 70%. So your assessment is wrong.

Most QBs have a high completion percentage when their passes are short.

Very good but the point was if u read he said bad decisions when u compete over 70% and u offense scores 30 points saying he makes alot of bad decisions is just plain crap.

Except for the passes during the close out of the 2nd quarter most of it was bubble screens or naked screens for losses then deep ball hoping for a first down, why completion percentage was high and 3rd down conversions were low.

 

[kf3339]

This was a team loss. All parts failed in the second half except for our All Pro punter.

I put most of the blame on our second half, or should I say lack of second half adjustments. We didn't counter their defensive adjustments and our offense had just way to many penalties. In addition, I saw absolutely no defensive adjustments taking away the middle game for them. It was absolutely pathetic.

I'm not sure why our new OC choose to go away from the offensive creativity from last week. Especially in the second half where it looked more like we were trying to run out the clock instead of going for the kill. Great or even good teams play to win big, if possible. Average teams play not to lose.

We all know Norton is no true DC and never was one at all. This is PC's defense we are watching. That in itself is the problem. He doesn't know how to win a street fight. That's what this game was and he lost. Plain and simple.

Last, the senseless penalties is a serious problem. There is no discipline being taught. That is a coaching issue as well.

It's only one game. We have 15 more to play. All of this can be corrected, but the question is can PC do what is necessary to make it happen. We will see.

 

[hawkfan68]

Julio Jones had over 100 yards receiving in the first half. The defense wasn't all that great in the first half either.

 

[Appyhawk]

Plenty of blame to go around. Offense sucked (homerun ball or nothing), defense sucked and even special teams contributed to this L. Make that damn PAT and we may have won it in regulation.


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Agree. I don't blame any individual nor offense or defense. This loss was a team effort, including coaching staff. But the bottom line (other than the fact it was just a football GAME) is this was just one game of a seventeen game season. We have to be better than we were today or this seventeen game season will seem more like a life sentence...especially on this board. Nothing brings out the doomsday crowd like a bad loss.
Personally I thought the two lopsided preseason losses were indicative of potential trouble down the road. I just didn't think "down the road" would happen right out of the gate.
Fell to last place in our division and the season is almost 1/8th complete with our record at .500. Make of it what you will.

 

[keasley45]

Horrible third down conversion rate.

The long balls were pretty but Wilson seemed to get greedy, started looking at them over underneath time of possession moving chains play.

Where were the TE's.

Where was Alex Collins, had a great run but we started seeing Homer more and no more Collins.

Where was the Motion, seemed we looked at last years offense instead of what we seen last week.

To many in's and outs and not enough sustained drives to keep defense fresh, they wore down and a back like Henry will start producing over time. They don't have to be all runs, underneath stuff for first downs work also.

I won't say we took our foot off the gas, we tried to many quick strikes and took ourselves off the field.

Oh and the Officials, they seemed to be more sensitive to Seattle players in the Taunting and incidental infractions, won't way they didn't happen but they were also called ticky tacky versus no calls on the Titans for similar stuff.

The offense didn't give up 24 points in the second half and OT. The offense didn't have a taunting call that kept a drive alive, they didn't have a couple of roughing penalties to keep some other drives alive. The offense didn't give up over 150 yards rushinjg to Derrick Henry in the 2nd half after containing him well in the first. The defense went into prevent mode for most of the 2nd half. That prevented them from winning. This was very reminscent of the Arizona game last season (in Arizona) where the Seahawks had a two TD lead and watched it fade into an OT loss.

The defense did what every defense has done against Henry's Titans if you don't keep the ball away from him. They wire down.

And the defense did give the ball to the offense in OT. And the offense caked its pants.

Russ's presser is telling. He was asked point blank what the Titans did to take the TE away and his reply: 'Nothing in particular ' and that basically he chose to go elsewhere.

Asked about the last sequence. He said he threw to Lockett because he thought he saw something he liked. He then said he 'intentionally' threw it out of bounds to DK on 2nd down and that the non- safety 3rd down play was just covered well.

Folks. This isn't just on the O. RW3 just told you what you need to know. He wants the big ball to his big play guys. He looks there for plays. EVEN IN OT. ON HIS OWN 8, AND WITH A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS FOr ALL THE GARBAGE OF THE 2nd half. He's choosing not to just take the open play. He wants the chunk. When it works, it's great, but you can't expect to win week in and week out for 17 weeks that way. It lasted 8 last year. The offense needs to run efficiently and in a ball control style, get the ball in the hands of the open wr, rb or te. If you hit the big ones, great. We all love it. But when that's what you're always looking fir... that's when you tend to start seeing short possessions and 3 and outs.

 

[John63]

Ahh u realize that most of his passes were short and he completed over 70%. So your assessment is wrong.

Most QBs have a high completion percentage when their passes are short.

Very good but the point was if u read he said bad decisions when u compete over 70% and u offense scores 30 points saying he makes alot of bad decisions is just plain crap.

Except for the passes during the close out of the 2nd quarter most of it was bubble screens or naked screens for losses then deep ball hoping for a first down, why completion percentage was high and 3rd down conversions were low.

Ahh we scored on that drive end of 2nd. We were 4of 12 on 3rd down. Of the 8 that we missed 4 were 8 or more yards and and of the other 4 3 were a run 1 a pass.

 

[Keyhawk]

Totally agree with this post.

 

[scutterhawk]

They gave up over 500 yards on defense. That is in no way the offenses fault.

Then you didn't watch the game, your defense can't be on the field that much with a back like Henry pounding the ball and also playing prevent defense over half the game with a lead.

The u did not watch the game your defense has to get off the files themselves not give up 60% on 3rd down.

Go back to to hugging your Wilson cutout, 4 of 12 third down conversions, it's all on him now since he has the whole playbook to audible too. Time of possession doubled by Titans offense, it would seem you must have never played the game to know how much of a burden that puts on a defense especially with a back like Henry that like Campbell, Okoya, Riggens, Czonka, will physically beat you up by themselves.

C'mon Chris, Taunting?, Roughing the Passer?, those two >Defensive Penalties< alone gave the Titans two first downs alone, and they scored because of that.
Yes, the Offense didn't perform as Advertised, but this loss was on both O & D.
I'm thinking that the TEAM thought that all they had to do, was "Just Show Up" and with the Hawks Fans screaming their guts out, they could just coast to a win.
There didn't appear to be ANY half time adjustments, as they came out FLAT...This was a TEAM LOSS.

 

[chris98251]

Most QBs have a high completion percentage when their passes are short.

Very good but the point was if u read he said bad decisions when u compete over 70% and u offense scores 30 points saying he makes alot of bad decisions is just plain crap.

Except for the passes during the close out of the 2nd quarter most of it was bubble screens or naked screens for losses then deep ball hoping for a first down, why completion percentage was high and 3rd down conversions were low.

Ahh we scored on that drive end of 2nd. We were 4of 12 on 3rd down. Of the 8 that we missed 4 were 8 or more yards and and of the other 4 3 were a run 1 a pass.

Your so busy trying to defend you missed the except for the drive at the end of the 2nd part I guess.

 

[kf3339]

Horrible third down conversion rate.

The long balls were pretty but Wilson seemed to get greedy, started looking at them over underneath time of possession moving chains play.

Where were the TE's.

Where was Alex Collins, had a great run but we started seeing Homer more and no more Collins.

Where was the Motion, seemed we looked at last years offense instead of what we seen last week.

To many in's and outs and not enough sustained drives to keep defense fresh, they wore down and a back like Henry will start producing over time. They don't have to be all runs, underneath stuff for first downs work also.

I won't say we took our foot off the gas, we tried to many quick strikes and took ourselves off the field.

Oh and the Officials, they seemed to be more sensitive to Seattle players in the Taunting and incidental infractions, won't way they didn't happen but they were also called ticky tacky versus no calls on the Titans for similar stuff.

The offense didn't give up 24 points in the second half and OT. The offense didn't have a taunting call that kept a drive alive, they didn't have a couple of roughing penalties to keep some other drives alive. The offense didn't give up over 150 yards rushinjg to Derrick Henry in the 2nd half after containing him well in the first. The defense went into prevent mode for most of the 2nd half. That prevented them from winning. This was very reminscent of the Arizona game last season (in Arizona) where the Seahawks had a two TD lead and watched it fade into an OT loss.

The defense did what every defense has done against Henry's Titans if you don't keep the ball away from him. They wire down.

And the defense did give the ball to the offense in OT. And the offense caked its pants.

Russ's presser is telling. He was asked point blank what the Titans did to take the TE away and his reply: 'Nothing in particular ' and that basically he chose to go elsewhere.

Asked about the last sequence. He said he threw to Lockett because he thought he saw something he liked. He then said he 'intentionally' threw it out of bounds to DK on 2nd down and that the non- safety 3rd down play was just covered well.

Folks. This isn't just on the O. RW3 just told you what you need to know. He wants the big ball to his big play guys. He looks there for plays. EVEN IN OT. ON HIS OWN 8, AND WITH A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS FOr ALL THE GARBAGE OF THE 2nd half. He's choosing not to just take the open play. He wants the chunk. When it works, it's great, but you can't expect to win week in and week out for 17 weeks that way. It lasted 8 last year. The offense needs to run efficiently and in a ball control style, get the ball in the hands of the open wr, rb or te. If you hit the big ones, great. We all love it. But when that's what you're always looking fir... that's when you tend to start seeing short possessions and 3 and outs.

Then PC needs to call out RW. Preferably in private, but publicly if needed.

 

[pittpnthrs]

So the offense didnt score 40 and sustain drives long enough to keep the defense off the field so its their fault.

Come on people.

 

[keasley45]

Horrible third down conversion rate.

The long balls were pretty but Wilson seemed to get greedy, started looking at them over underneath time of possession moving chains play.

Where were the TE's.

Where was Alex Collins, had a great run but we started seeing Homer more and no more Collins.

Where was the Motion, seemed we looked at last years offense instead of what we seen last week.

To many in's and outs and not enough sustained drives to keep defense fresh, they wore down and a back like Henry will start producing over time. They don't have to be all runs, underneath stuff for first downs work also.

I won't say we took our foot off the gas, we tried to many quick strikes and took ourselves off the field.

Oh and the Officials, they seemed to be more sensitive to Seattle players in the Taunting and incidental infractions, won't way they didn't happen but they were also called ticky tacky versus no calls on the Titans for similar stuff.

The offense didn't give up 24 points in the second half and OT. The offense didn't have a taunting call that kept a drive alive, they didn't have a couple of roughing penalties to keep some other drives alive. The offense didn't give up over 150 yards rushinjg to Derrick Henry in the 2nd half after containing him well in the first. The defense went into prevent mode for most of the 2nd half. That prevented them from winning. This was very reminscent of the Arizona game last season (in Arizona) where the Seahawks had a two TD lead and watched it fade into an OT loss.

The defense did what every defense has done against Henry's Titans if you don't keep the ball away from him. They wire down.

And the defense did give the ball to the offense in OT. And the offense caked its pants.

Russ's presser is telling. He was asked point blank what the Titans did to take the TE away and his reply: 'Nothing in particular ' and that basically he chose to go elsewhere.

Asked about the last sequence. He said he threw to Lockett because he thought he saw something he liked. He then said he 'intentionally' threw it out of bounds to DK on 2nd down and that the non- safety 3rd down play was just covered well.

Folks. This isn't just on the O. RW3 just told you what you need to know. He wants the big ball to his big play guys. He looks there for plays. EVEN IN OT. ON HIS OWN 8, AND WITH A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS FOr ALL THE GARBAGE OF THE 2nd half. He's choosing not to just take the open play. He wants the chunk. When it works, it's great, but you can't expect to win week in and week out for 17 weeks that way. It lasted 8 last year. The offense needs to run efficiently and in a ball control style, get the ball in the hands of the open wr, rb or te. If you hit the big ones, great. We all love it. But when that's what you're always looking fir... that's when you tend to start seeing short possessions and 3 and outs.

Then PC needs to call out RW. Preferably in private, but publicly if needed.

He certainly does. Because when he doesn't, and instead talks about just running the ball better, folks seem to lump all of RWs and the offenses failures on him.

Folks, RW has talked all offseason about how different the offense is. Hoe much more control he has, the freedom, the tempo, etc. And his offensive teammates have echoed the same.

Shane has been hailed a genius.

So we have a genius OC, a qb completely in tune with his OC and with full control of the offense, and yet when the defense gives the O the ball in OT with the new flashy playbook at their disposal and a qb that can script what he wants ( he and Waldron were huddling alone prior to our possession in OT strategizing), the result is a forced pass to Lockett, an overthrow to a wide open DK ( and Russ actually claimed he was throwing it away) and a scramble sack.

And that was just the last and most important possession of the game.

But its the Ds fault or Pete's???

Russ went exactly where he wanted with the ball on that possession and on prior possessions. We are struggling on offense because we are choosing to do the wrong thing. Plain and simple

 

[John63]

Horrible third down conversion rate.

The long balls were pretty but Wilson seemed to get greedy, started looking at them over underneath time of possession moving chains play.

Where were the TE's.

Where was Alex Collins, had a great run but we started seeing Homer more and no more Collins.

Where was the Motion, seemed we looked at last years offense instead of what we seen last week.

To many in's and outs and not enough sustained drives to keep defense fresh, they wore down and a back like Henry will start producing over time. They don't have to be all runs, underneath stuff for first downs work also.

I won't say we took our foot off the gas, we tried to many quick strikes and took ourselves off the field.

Oh and the Officials, they seemed to be more sensitive to Seattle players in the Taunting and incidental infractions, won't way they didn't happen but they were also called ticky tacky versus no calls on the Titans for similar stuff.

The offense didn't give up 24 points in the second half and OT. The offense didn't have a taunting call that kept a drive alive, they didn't have a couple of roughing penalties to keep some other drives alive. The offense didn't give up over 150 yards rushinjg to Derrick Henry in the 2nd half after containing him well in the first. The defense went into prevent mode for most of the 2nd half. That prevented them from winning. This was very reminscent of the Arizona game last season (in Arizona) where the Seahawks had a two TD lead and watched it fade into an OT loss.

The defense did what every defense has done against Henry's Titans if you don't keep the ball away from him. They wire down.

And the defense did give the ball to the offense in OT. And the offense caked its pants.

Russ's presser is telling. He was asked point blank what the Titans did to take the TE away and his reply: 'Nothing in particular ' and that basically he chose to go elsewhere.

Asked about the last sequence. He said he threw to Lockett because he thought he saw something he liked. He then said he 'intentionally' threw it out of bounds to DK on 2nd down and that the non- safety 3rd down play was just covered well.

Folks. This isn't just on the O. RW3 just told you what you need to know. He wants the big ball to his big play guys. He looks there for plays. EVEN IN OT. ON HIS OWN 8, AND WITH A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS FOr ALL THE GARBAGE OF THE 2nd half. He's choosing not to just take the open play. He wants the chunk. When it works, it's great, but you can't expect to win week in and week out for 17 weeks that way. It lasted 8 last year. The offense needs to run efficiently and in a ball control style, get the ball in the hands of the open wr, rb or te. If you hit the big ones, great. We all love it. But when that's what you're always looking fir... that's when you tend to start seeing short possessions and 3 and outs.

Then PC needs to call out RW. Preferably in private, but publicly if needed.

Call him out for what? For 70% complt. For over 300 yards. For 129 passer rating? Oh for bot playing defense or lack of run game

 

[keasley45]

So the offense didnt score 40 and sustain drives long enough to keep the defense off the field so its their fault.

Come on people.

They shoulder a good bit of the blame because the entire league knows that the way you beat the Titans is by not allowing them to have the ball long enough that their running game gets going.

Henry averages 160 yards + a game on the ground last year. They will pound you into submission if they have the ball longer enough. Period. 2000 plus yards last year tells you that there aren't defenses that can really stop it effectively 90% of the time.

If yiur offense puts yiur defense on the field over and over again, they will wear down. ToP goes hand in hand with scoring, particular against them. Don't control the clock and go three and out on the majority of your possessions in the 3nd half and OT and yiu are guaranteed to lose.

And our defense stopped them in OT when we could have won it.

 

[John63]

The offense didn't give up 24 points in the second half and OT. The offense didn't have a taunting call that kept a drive alive, they didn't have a couple of roughing penalties to keep some other drives alive. The offense didn't give up over 150 yards rushinjg to Derrick Henry in the 2nd half after containing him well in the first. The defense went into prevent mode for most of the 2nd half. That prevented them from winning. This was very reminscent of the Arizona game last season (in Arizona) where the Seahawks had a two TD lead and watched it fade into an OT loss.

The defense did what every defense has done against Henry's Titans if you don't keep the ball away from him. They wire down.

And the defense did give the ball to the offense in OT. And the offense caked its pants.

Russ's presser is telling. He was asked point blank what the Titans did to take the TE away and his reply: 'Nothing in particular ' and that basically he chose to go elsewhere.

Asked about the last sequence. He said he threw to Lockett because he thought he saw something he liked. He then said he 'intentionally' threw it out of bounds to DK on 2nd down and that the non- safety 3rd down play was just covered well.

Folks. This isn't just on the O. RW3 just told you what you need to know. He wants the big ball to his big play guys. He looks there for plays. EVEN IN OT. ON HIS OWN 8, AND WITH A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS FOr ALL THE GARBAGE OF THE 2nd half. He's choosing not to just take the open play. He wants the chunk. When it works, it's great, but you can't expect to win week in and week out for 17 weeks that way. It lasted 8 last year. The offense needs to run efficiently and in a ball control style, get the ball in the hands of the open wr, rb or te. If you hit the big ones, great. We all love it. But when that's what you're always looking fir... that's when you tend to start seeing short possessions and 3 and outs.

Then PC needs to call out RW. Preferably in private, but publicly if needed.

He certainly does. Because when he doesn't, and instead talks about just running the ball better, folks seem to lump all of RWs and the offenses failures on him.

Folks, RW has talked all offseason about how different the offense is. Hoe much more control he has, the freedom, the tempo, etc. And his offensive teammates have echoed the same.

Shane has been hailed a genius.

So we have a genius OC, a qb completely in tune with his OC and with full control of the offense, and yet when the defense gives the O the ball in OT with the new flashy playbook at their disposal and a qb that can script what he wants ( he and Waldron were huddling alone prior to our possession in OT strategizing), the result is a forced pass to Lockett, an overthrow to a wide open DK ( and Russ actually claimed he was throwing it away) and a scramble sack.

And that was just the last and most important possession of the game.

But its the Ds fault or Pete's???

Russ went exactly where he wanted with the ball on that possession and on prior possessions. We are struggling on offense because we are choosing to do the wrong thing. Plain and simple

Ahh I get it forget the defense giving up a 2 score lead with under a qtr. It's the offense who scored 30s fault. The problem is qe never should have been in this position period. Truthfully penalties killed both sides today.

 

[keasley45]

The offense didn't give up 24 points in the second half and OT. The offense didn't have a taunting call that kept a drive alive, they didn't have a couple of roughing penalties to keep some other drives alive. The offense didn't give up over 150 yards rushinjg to Derrick Henry in the 2nd half after containing him well in the first. The defense went into prevent mode for most of the 2nd half. That prevented them from winning. This was very reminscent of the Arizona game last season (in Arizona) where the Seahawks had a two TD lead and watched it fade into an OT loss.

The defense did what every defense has done against Henry's Titans if you don't keep the ball away from him. They wire down.

And the defense did give the ball to the offense in OT. And the offense caked its pants.

Russ's presser is telling. He was asked point blank what the Titans did to take the TE away and his reply: 'Nothing in particular ' and that basically he chose to go elsewhere.

Asked about the last sequence. He said he threw to Lockett because he thought he saw something he liked. He then said he 'intentionally' threw it out of bounds to DK on 2nd down and that the non- safety 3rd down play was just covered well.

Folks. This isn't just on the O. RW3 just told you what you need to know. He wants the big ball to his big play guys. He looks there for plays. EVEN IN OT. ON HIS OWN 8, AND WITH A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS FOr ALL THE GARBAGE OF THE 2nd half. He's choosing not to just take the open play. He wants the chunk. When it works, it's great, but you can't expect to win week in and week out for 17 weeks that way. It lasted 8 last year. The offense needs to run efficiently and in a ball control style, get the ball in the hands of the open wr, rb or te. If you hit the big ones, great. We all love it. But when that's what you're always looking fir... that's when you tend to start seeing short possessions and 3 and outs.

Then PC needs to call out RW. Preferably in private, but publicly if needed.

Call him out for what? For 70% complt. For over 300 yards. For 129 passer rating? Oh for bot playing defense or lack of run game

All stats. Stats don't win games. Smart, situational football does. Effe time runs happen when your run enough to get in a rhythm. Pass defenses get off balance when you make them cover the whole field.

We did neither. Russ threw to who he wanted and to the guys that he thought could give him the big play and not necessarily just the first down. It was obvious in OT and he admitted deliberately not going to the TE during the game.

That's what he needs to be called out for.

 

[Seymour]

Nobody wins this debate because both sides are correct. Both offense and defense bagged the second half. On top of that terrible discipline on both sides as well = coaching issues. What the hell is DK's problem? Newsflash!! "The Cool Blue Hairdo isn't working Hothead".

 

[John63]

The defense did what every defense has done against Henry's Titans if you don't keep the ball away from him. They wire down.

And the defense did give the ball to the offense in OT. And the offense caked its pants.

Russ's presser is telling. He was asked point blank what the Titans did to take the TE away and his reply: 'Nothing in particular ' and that basically he chose to go elsewhere.

Asked about the last sequence. He said he threw to Lockett because he thought he saw something he liked. He then said he 'intentionally' threw it out of bounds to DK on 2nd down and that the non- safety 3rd down play was just covered well.

Folks. This isn't just on the O. RW3 just told you what you need to know. He wants the big ball to his big play guys. He looks there for plays. EVEN IN OT. ON HIS OWN 8, AND WITH A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS FOr ALL THE GARBAGE OF THE 2nd half. He's choosing not to just take the open play. He wants the chunk. When it works, it's great, but you can't expect to win week in and week out for 17 weeks that way. It lasted 8 last year. The offense needs to run efficiently and in a ball control style, get the ball in the hands of the open wr, rb or te. If you hit the big ones, great. We all love it. But when that's what you're always looking fir... that's when you tend to start seeing short possessions and 3 and outs.

Then PC needs to call out RW. Preferably in private, but publicly if needed.

Call him out for what? For 70% complt. For over 300 yards. For 129 passer rating? Oh for bot playing defense or lack of run game

All stats. Stats don't win games. Smart, situational football does. Effe time runs happen when your run enough to get in a rhythm. Pass defenses get off balance when you make them cover the whole field.

We did neither. Russ threw to who he wanted and to the guys that he thought could give him the big play and not necessarily just the first down. It was obvious in OT and he admitted deliberately not going to the TE during the game.

That's what he needs to be called out for.

NO stats don't, a defense that does not give up a 2 score lead with under a qtr to go does though and they were not here.

Also, FYI and I know you did not but mos of Wilson's throws were short, not long, and to open guys. 2nd penalties skilled at least 3 drives in the 4th qtr. As to the play-calling well talk to Waldron and PC. But again we scored 30 and gave our defense a 2 score lead with under a qtr to go., As to TOp well when you let a team have 43% 3rd down conversion and over 500 yards again on the defense

again offense scores 30
The defense gives up 33 and over 500 yards

Sorry facts show this is on the defense and not the offense or your QB. and over 100 yards in penalties that killed drives.