Niners Coaching Situation?

[seahawk12thman]

Eddie is broke these days, can't fly to the game. He could fly 8 times a year to every home game if he chooses. I am sure he wouldn't even have to pay for it Marvin LOL. You are one of those guys that accuses others of the sins you commit. You manipulate but you don't realize you make yourself look irrelevant.

So which is it, is he too far away?? or does he go to every game? BTW he has said he doesn't want to interfere Whoops....

Ok you are waste of time. Best of luck pal.

 

[seahawk12thman]

The link was built with the backing of a public referendum.

Hence CenturyLink being a common example in econ of rent-seeking.

In any case, the things you don't know seem to know no bounds: this was also true of Levi's (Measure J).

Santa Clara gave the Niners a sweetheart deal...

If 10% of cost for a millionaire is a sweetheart deal, what do we call 70% of cost for a billionaire?

A thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another-rectal-pillaging?

You obviously must be broke and have no clue how wealthy people manage money. Are all Niner fans this brilliant???
Affluent individuals didn't obtain their wealth by simply throwing it away. I don't know Santa Cara's property or income tax structure but I am willing to bet it is much cheaper than San Francisco. Before you offer a rectal offering perhaps you can present the financials involved to the board? Are all Niner fans so intelligent?

 

[Popeyejones]

Doesn't fast Eddie D remind you of Joe Pesci's character in Casino minus the the physical ruthlessness?

:lol: :

Slick Eddie was more of the My Cousin Vinny type, IMO.

FWIW I think for many what has been lost to memory is the crime Eddie was actually charged with: failing to report a felony.

Because the NFL suspended him for one year it gets remembered as a bribery case, but from the beginning it was always an extortion case (the failure to report a felony charge against him was just leverage to secure his cooperation in the extortion case against Ed Edwards; one of seventeen extortion charges he was convicted of).

People also oddly remember Debartolo getting suspended by the NFL for a year as the NFL forcing him to let go of the team, which wasn't the case either. His sister got the team when the family's assets were split.

 

[Popeyejones]

The link was built with the backing of a public referendum.

Hence CenturyLink being a common example in econ of rent-seeking.

In any case, the things you don't know seem to know no bounds: this was also true of Levi's (Measure J).

Santa Clara gave the Niners a sweetheart deal...

If 10% of cost for a millionaire is a sweetheart deal, what do we call 70% of cost for a billionaire?

A thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another-rectal-pillaging?

You obviously must be broke and have no clue how wealthy people manage money. Are all Niner fans this brilliant???
Wealthy didn't obtain their wealth by simply throwing it away.

If you want to celebrate yourself for getting bilked by a billionaire go ahead I guess, but I might object to you considering yourself brilliant for it...(as would practically every independent economist and public policy expert across the world, but hey, whose counting? Obviously not you. ).

 

[seahawk12thman]

The link was built with the backing of a public referendum.

Hence CenturyLink being a common example in econ of rent-seeking.

In any case, the things you don't know seem to know no bounds: this was also true of Levi's (Measure J).

Santa Clara gave the Niners a sweetheart deal...

If 10% of cost for a millionaire is a sweetheart deal, what do we call 70% of cost for a billionaire?

A thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another-rectal-pillaging?

You obviously must be broke and have no clue how wealthy people manage money. Are all Niner fans this brilliant???
Wealthy didn't obtain their wealth by simply throwing it away.

If you want to celebrate yourself for getting bilked by a billionaire go ahead I guess, but I might object to you considering yourself brilliant for it...(as would practically every independent economist and public policy expert across the world, but hey, whose counting? Obviously not you. ).

I didn't vote for the Seahawks stadium and we were talking about Levi's... Follow along champ. The city benefits greatly by the Seahawks staying as does SF and yet they let them walk. Do I need to break it down for you?

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

Studies about tribalism revealed it's a pleasurable experience to make statements promoting one's tribe and denoting an opposing tribe regardless of whether or not those statements are true or not. I'm reminded of this everytime I see one of the regular back-and-fourths on our forum where neither person will concede anything to the other. I wouldn't expect that little nugget of information to stop guys like us on this forum from arguing but I would hope we would back away from any notions about convincing others of the truthfulness about this organization or that because as much as it seems as though this is like that, it's more like a game of one on one in basketball. In other words, it's really about fun so why not be more friendly, guys?

 

[Popeyejones]

The city benefits greatly by the Seahawks staying as does SF and yet they let them walk.

:lol:

Time to head for shore, sailor.

 

[Marvin49]

The Giants were able to get a stadium...
Golden State Warriors arena is being build in SF
Yeah impossible.

BTW I believe the NFL is trying to move two teams to LA, pretty sure they are going to build a new stadium.... in California.

I hope my reply isn't confused for taking you seriously, but FWIW:

*AT&T Park exists because it was entirely privately financed. It sits on 12.5 acres.

*The Warriors new stadium, if it ends up happening which is still up in the air, is also entirely privately financed. If it does happen the entire mixed-use space is being fit in 12 acres.

Compare that to Levi's which is the first semi-publicly financed to be built in California in my lifetime, and the mixed-use space consists of 22 acres for the stadium, 48 acres for additional parking, and 256 acres for the mixed-use development.*

As for citing the NFL trying to move two teams to LA as evidence for your argument, there's a reason why the NFL hasn't had a team in the second largest media market in the U.S. for over twenty years. There's a reason why there's still not a team there.

And just to insulate against bloviating about the role public financing plays, don't forget that your billionaire owner bilked Seattle for 75% of the cost of his football palace. CenturyLink has become a pretty popular case-study in academic work arguing against the practice of publicly financing professional sports stadiums, and a case-study of rent-seeking** in the economics literature.



*and just to be clear, even on this board I've criticized the city of S.C. for publicly financing Levi's to draw the team there.

**from google: "rent-seeking is spending wealth on political lobbying to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating wealth."

The link was built with the backing of a public referendum. Safeco Field was a big F U job from Gary Locke. The mariners were leaving and the public said OK go and Locke caved and built the stadium anyway with tax payer money. If Newsome wanted it bad enough it would have happened. Santa Clara gave the Niners a sweetheart deal...

ROTFLMAO!!!

One of the lowest % of public funding for a stadium in the NFL EVER....

"Sweetheart deal"

Can't make this stuff up. LOL. As if a City that size would even be CAPABLE of a sweetheart deal. LOL.

 

[Marvin49]

Eddie is broke these days, can't fly to the game. He could fly 8 times a year to every home game if he chooses. I am sure he wouldn't even have to pay for it Marvin LOL. You are one of those guys that accuses others of the sins you commit. You manipulate but you don't realize you make yourself look irrelevant.

So which is it, is he too far away?? or does he go to every game? BTW he has said he doesn't want to interfere Whoops....

Ok you are waste of time. Best of luck pal.

That's all you got?

Did I say Eddie was poor? No. I didn't.

Yet. Another. Straw. Man. You can't help yourself.

 

[Marvin49]

The link was built with the backing of a public referendum.

Hence CenturyLink being a common example in econ of rent-seeking.

In any case, the things you don't know seem to know no bounds: this was also true of Levi's (Measure J).

Santa Clara gave the Niners a sweetheart deal...

If 10% of cost for a millionaire is a sweetheart deal, what do we call 70% of cost for a billionaire?

A thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another-rectal-pillaging?

You obviously must be broke and have no clue how wealthy people manage money. Are all Niner fans this brilliant???
Affluent individuals didn't obtain their wealth by simply throwing it away. I don't know Santa Cara's property or income tax structure but I am willing to bet it is much cheaper than San Francisco. Before you offer a rectal offering perhaps you can present the financials involved to the board? Are all Niner fans so intelligent?

um, wha?

Soooo.......

70% is a good job by the owner and 10% is the city giving the Niners a "sweetheart deal".

Take the green and teal classes off homey

 

[Popeyejones]

In other words, it's really about fun so why not be more friendly, guys?

I think we can look to the world of sports for our answer: the competition itself is what's fun, particularly so because it's competition without real stakes (e.g. why watching a football game, playing pick-up basketball, or arguing on the Internet is fun, but participating in a war or a court case isn't).

TBF though, I do think the the present back-and-forth is a MUCH more cynical form of entertainment that almost everyone engages in from time to time (e.g. scouring the Webzone to bring back and cackle at the dumbest posts, feeding all varieties of naive trolls -- all variations on the batting around of a dead mouse as a form of sport, really).

 

[RationalNiner]

The debate in this thread has gotten really childish and immature. I think you guys should just let it go.

 

[Marvin49]

Hence CenturyLink being a common example in econ of rent-seeking.

In any case, the things you don't know seem to know no bounds: this was also true of Levi's (Measure J).

Santa Clara gave the Niners a sweetheart deal...

If 10% of cost for a millionaire is a sweetheart deal, what do we call 70% of cost for a billionaire?

A thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another-rectal-pillaging?

You obviously must be broke and have no clue how wealthy people manage money. Are all Niner fans this brilliant???
Wealthy didn't obtain their wealth by simply throwing it away.

If you want to celebrate yourself for getting bilked by a billionaire go ahead I guess, but I might object to you considering yourself brilliant for it...(as would practically every independent economist and public policy expert across the world, but hey, whose counting? Obviously not you. ).

I didn't vote for the Seahawks stadium and we were talking about Levi's... Follow along champ. The city benefits greatly by the Seahawks staying as does SF and yet they let them walk. Do I need to break it down for you?[/quote]

Yes...because at this point I'm not even sure what your point is.

SF was unwilling to partake in any of the cost whereas Seattle was.

So...WHOs fault is it the Niners went to SC for a mere 10% of the overall cost of the building? SF essentially assumed the 49ers would fund it 100% and banked on that...and lost.

SC saw it as an opportunity to build an entire downtown area so jumped at it. Kudos to them.

 

[Marvin49]

The debate in this thread has gotten really childish and immature. I think you guys should just let it go.

Probably.

 

[Popeyejones]

The debate in this thread has gotten really childish and immature. I think you guys should just let it go.

Well I'll double-down on it I guess:

I think consistently couching what ultimately amounts to your opinions within a downward looking voice-of-reason schtick is pretty immature too.

ALLOW ME SUCCOR FOR MY BOREDOM, RATIONALNINER!!! WHAT ABOUT MY BOREDOM?!??!?!??!?!

(this whole post brought to you by a MASSIVE wink, if that's not clear).

 

[kearly]

How is Fangio a Dennis Erickson 2.0?

He isn't the same kind of coach, but he'd be a similar kind of hire.

The 49ers will likely struggle the next couple of years. If the 49ers struggle with a premium head coach, it is harder to sell the idea that it's the coach's fault. People will blame the GM. But if it's not a well known coach the 49ers FO could sell the idea that a guy like Fangio wasn't yet ready for the big time, fire him, then hire a different coach. All to effectively buy themselves an extra year or two during the rebuild.

Erickson had experience in the NFL before going to SF, but when he was hired it was widely predicted that his tenure would be short lived and that the 49ers were only using him as a short term solution and future scapegoat. Which all proved to be 100% true.

 

[Largent80]

Why not just change the logo to SC?

Seems easy enough.....OMG, the HISTORY.

WGAF?

Nobody here.

 

[Popeyejones]

How is Fangio a Dennis Erickson 2.0?

He isn't the same kind of coach, but he'd be a similar kind of hire.

The 49ers will likely struggle the next couple of years. If the 49ers struggle with a premium head coach, it is harder to sell the idea that it's the coaches fault. People will blame the GM. But if it's not a well known coach the 49ers FO could sell the idea that Fangio wasn't yet ready for the big time, fire him, then hire a different coach. All to effectively buy themselves an extra year or two during the rebuild.

I think the comparison is entirely predicated on a prediction of the future (e.g. the 9ers will struggle the next couple years), and without that prediction, I don't really see the comparison working too well..

Erickson is a guy who has repeatedly ping-ponged between success as a college HC and failure as an NFL HC.

Fangio has never been a head coach at either level. The ONLY argument for promoting Fangio to HC is that the 9ers would be faced with losing him if they don't, and he's far and away the most valuable coach within the org (maintaining a Top 3 defense in the league while replacing all five members of the secondary over 24 months, losing three All-Pro linebackers, three starting NTs in two years, and doing so while the offense plays like horse manure and the ST performance fell apart).

Erickson had experience in the NFL before going to SF, but when he was hired it was widely predicted that his tenure would be short lived and that the 49ers were only using him as a short term solution and future scapegoat. Which all proved to be 100% true.

This edit came in while I was writing my post, but uhhh, link? I don't remember there being a groundswell of excitement about the hire, but I don't remember this characterization of it at the time AT ALL.

 

[Largent80]

Maybe the 9ers can package the coach-Kap exacta and get an RG3 type of deal.

 

[RolandDeschain]

How would you Hawk fans feel if we hired Holmgren?

Hrm. That's a good question. I don't know; I wouldn't like it, but past that, I'm really not sure.

I'd love nothing more than to see a Kap-led Holmgren offense.

Amusingly enough, I was thinking the same thing at the time; I really don't think Kaep & a Holmgren offense would get along well together.