Niners whine about officiating

[Scottemojo]

Kam laid out Vernon with a legal hit and got flagged too. But not fined. Later in the week we will find out how legal the NFL thought Skuta's hit was.

BTW, Mikey P is the FORMER head of officiating. And you will find no love or respect for Baghdad Mike here.

 

[Sherminator]

He "braced his fall" by driving his forearm and elbow into the back of Stanton's head and neck.

You whiner fans are ridiculous. If Mike Pereira had the slowed down images of the Skuta's vicious forearm to Stanton's neck and head, there is no way he would call that a legal hit. Had it been a legal hit to Stanton, it is debatable whether Skuta had already committed himself before the slide.

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You don't think Pereira has that kind of technology? Did you watch the hit live? They slowed it down on national television.
I'm not going to attack you like you just did me, as I already have had a warning issued.

But I am going to say I truly feel sorry for you if you think that was a malicious and illegal hit.

 

[Marvin49]

Nice forearm shiver to the neck too. Don't tell me that wasn't unnecessary.

Skuta initiated the contact at the shoulder but clearly followed through with the forearm by driving it right into the back of Stanton's neck, causing his head to bounce off the turf. That was not a clean shoulder-to-shoulder hit. It was also unnecessary as Stanton had already initiated a slide. That is a blatant penalty to anyone except a 49er homer.

Read the rules:

Rule 7, section 2, article 1 (d) (1-2) reads: “A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender commits some other act, such as helmet-to-helmet contact or by driving his forearm or shoulder into the head or neck area of the runner.”

Skuta's forearm shiver to Stanton's neck:

.....you can't be serious.

He used the forearm to brace his fall.

Sigh. No use arguing...Really wouldn't matter what happened...you'll argue it was a good call if he's placed him gently on the ground supported by feathers.

He "braced his fall" by driving his forearm and elbow into the back of Stanton's head and neck.

You whiner fans are ridiculous. If Mike Pereira had the slowed down images of the Skuta's vicious forearm to Stanton's neck and head, there is no way he would call that a legal hit. Had it been a legal hit to Stanton, it is debatable whether Skuta had already committed himself before the slide.

Fiction.

I'm sitting her watching the video over and over and this "vicious" forarm is freakin ridiculous. LOL. You are just LOOKING for something that ain't there. LOL.

Even the still image you show has his arm nowhere near his head. His arm is down to brace his fall. That's it.

 

[hawknation2014]

He "braced his fall" by driving his forearm and elbow into the back of Stanton's head and neck.

You whiner fans are ridiculous. If Mike Pereira had the slowed down images of the Skuta's vicious forearm to Stanton's neck and head, there is no way he would call that a legal hit. Had it been a legal hit to Stanton, it is debatable whether Skuta had already committed himself before the slide.

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You don't think Pereira has that kind of technology? Did you watch the hit live? They slowed it down on national television.
I'm not going to attack you like you just did me, as I already have had a warning issued.

But I am going to say I truly feel sorry for you if you think that was a malicious and illegal hit.

I would like to hear the rest of Pereira's statement which is cut off. It is true that Skuta arguably committed himself before the slide, but there can be no doubt that the forearm shiver to Stanton's neck deserved a penalty.

And where did I supposedly attack you? I made the customary comment about whiner fans being whiners. If that applies to you, then so be it. If I were to attack you, don't you think I would mention the fact that you are a troll who pretended not to be a 49er fan when you first joined this board?

 

[Marvin49]

He "braced his fall" by driving his forearm and elbow into the back of Stanton's head and neck.

You whiner fans are ridiculous. If Mike Pereira had the slowed down images of the Skuta's vicious forearm to Stanton's neck and head, there is no way he would call that a legal hit. Had it been a legal hit to Stanton, it is debatable whether Skuta had already committed himself before the slide.

...
You don't think Pereira has that kind of technology? Did you watch the hit live? They slowed it down on national television.
I'm not going to attack you like you just did me, as I already have had a warning issued.

But I am going to say I truly feel sorry for you if you think that was a malicious and illegal hit.

I would like to hear the rest of Pereira's statement which is cut off. It is true that Skuta arguably committed himself before the slide, but there can be no doubt that the forearm shiver to Stanton's neck deserved a penalty.

And were did I supposedly attack you? I made the customary comment about whiner fans being whiners. If that applies to you, then so be it. If I were to attack you, don't you think I would mention the fact that you are a troll who pretended not to be a 49er fan when you first joined this board?

What the hell are you looking at in that still? His arm is past the QB. Stanton gets hit in the shoulder, hits the ground, and then bounces up to hit Skuta midsection. What you are describing isn't in the picture or video.

 

[Sherminator]

I would like to hear the rest of Pereira's statement which is cut off. It is true that Skuta arguably committed himself before the slide, but there can be no doubt that the forearm shiver to Stanton's neck deserved a penalty.

And were did I supposedly attack you? I made the customary comment about whiner fans being whiners. If that applies to you, then so be it. If I were to attack you, don't you think I would mention the fact that you are a troll who pretended not to be a 49er fan when you first joined this board?

I have yet to see any fine issued for a "forearm shiver", if you think you are more of an expert than the NFL then so be it, I can't change your opinion as you are entitled to it.

Lol, you read to much into the opinions of other posters on here. No, when I joined this board I claimed to be a niner fan and made many posts about being a niner fan.

I'm a troll? Do you have any evidence for that?

 

[hawknation2014]

He "braced his fall" by driving his forearm and elbow into the back of Stanton's head and neck.

You whiner fans are ridiculous. If Mike Pereira had the slowed down images of the Skuta's vicious forearm to Stanton's neck and head, there is no way he would call that a legal hit. Had it been a legal hit to Stanton, it is debatable whether Skuta had already committed himself before the slide.

...
You don't think Pereira has that kind of technology? Did you watch the hit live? They slowed it down on national television.
I'm not going to attack you like you just did me, as I already have had a warning issued.

But I am going to say I truly feel sorry for you if you think that was a malicious and illegal hit.

I would like to hear the rest of Pereira's statement which is cut off. It is true that Skuta arguably committed himself before the slide, but there can be no doubt that the forearm shiver to Stanton's neck deserved a penalty.

And were did I supposedly attack you? I made the customary comment about whiner fans being whiners. If that applies to you, then so be it. If I were to attack you, don't you think I would mention the fact that you are a troll who pretended not to be a 49er fan when you first joined this board?

What the hell are you looking at in that still? His arm is past the QB. Stanton gets hit in the shoulder, hits the ground, and then bounces up to hit Skuta midsection. What you are describing isn't in the picture or video.

You have to be delusional and live in a 49er bubble to not know this is a penalty . . . blatant forearm and elbow to the head and neck of the QB. But whiners gonna whine.

 

[Sherminator]

You have to be delusional and live in a 49er bubble to not know this is a penalty . . . blatant forearm and elbow to the head and neck of the QB. But whiners gonna whine.

I'll wait and get the opinion of some of your other posters here, but lets agree to disagree.
Also, while you are searching for that troll evidence I invite you to look at one of my first posts.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=91987&p=1319106#p1319106

 

[Largent80]

Guys, there are 13 games left.

How many more bad penalty calls are gonna happen? We had some, every team has some.

Release it.

 

[hawknation2014]

I've posted on a lot of message boards, I'm more of a fan of the NFL than of an actual team.

:177692:

 

[Scottemojo]

NFL officials are instructed to error on the side of caution with big hits. It will happen again. Even the appearance of leading with the helmet will get flagged.

But let's be honest. the cryingist Niner, Boldin. has been doing the face mask head butting thing for a long time now. He is just pissed that he got flagged for his machismo bullshit. He is incredible as a player, and doesn't need it.

THe Niners are losing because of red zone execution and turnovers and a depleted secondary that needs help from a pass rush, and isn't getting it. They can improve the first two, but the last one may dog them all year.

 

[Sherminator]

I've posted on a lot of message boards, I'm more of a fan of the NFL than of an actual team.

:177692:

Where's my troll evidence?
Right, because humor on a message board isn't welcomed.
That post was about 2-3 months after I had been posing constantly.

 

[Marvin49]

League Leaders in Penalties
#1 Niners 36 (1-2)
#2 Pittsburgh 31 (2-1)
#3 Patriots 30 (2-1)
#4 Chiefs 29 (1-2)


Tenn 14 Penalties (1-2)
TB 16 Penalties (0-3)

Niners are League Leaders in Penalties

Illegal Contact (5 Times) (#2 NY Giants 4 Times)
Making significant contact with a receiver after the receiver has advanced five yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Exceptions: The illegal contact is called only if the quarterback is still in pocket and the ball is still in his hands.
**Automatic 1st Down**

Illegal use of hands (5 Times) (#2 DET/ATL 3)
Illegal use of the hands against a player while attempting to ward off a block, cover a receiver, or tackle a ball carrier. There are several restrictions on how a player may initiate contact, such as hands to the facemask of the other player involved in the blocking.
**10 yards if committed by offense; 5 yards and automatic first down if committed by defense**

Offensive Holding (7 Times) (#2 TENN/NE/HOU/CLE 6)
A foul in which an offensive player keeps a defender from advancing by grasping him with his hands or arms.
**10 yards**

Unnecessary Roughness (5 Times) (#2 TB/PITT/TENN 4)
A conduct- or safety-related infraction such as hitting a ball carrier after he is already out of bounds, "piling on" a ball carrier who is already down, or violent contact with an opponent who is away from and out of the play.
**15 yards; automatic first down if committed by defense**

Niners are the league fewest flag team in regards to

Unsportsmanlike Conduct
Offensive Pass Interference
Neutral Zone Infraction
Face Mask
Defensive Pass Interference
Defensive Holding

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Niners lead the league in 4 Categories by an average roughly 1 penalty
They are the fewest in 6 categories

Yup, Refs are just picking on the poor Niners

Every season someone has to be the leader in penalties. Last Season it was the Super Bowl Champion Seattle Seahawks, we were called cheaters and any reason we brought about why the calls were bogus were shrugged off. We won it all despite the monkier.

All of a sudden the Niners are the Thugs and Undisciplined cheats. You know all that illegal holding the HAwks are known for?

Seattle 0 Illegal Contact Calls

“We’re not fighting or resisting the changes that are here, We’re trying to adapt and go with it.” - Coach Carroll

Time to adapt or die, your Coach had better learn to be a Marine if he wishes to yell like one.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/

Nobody picking on the Niners. LOL.

Some HORRIBLE calls and ALOT of rightly earned ones.

So pretty much the same for every team over the course of the season?

The problem is no other team has fans claiming it's all an NFL conspiracy.

Only those fans of a team that are watching all that bravado spewed over the last 4 season going down the drain because the season of the "Ref". I mean you are so amazing at football only the refs and the NFL working together can derail the thrill train.

I agree the Hit on Willis is bonkers much like the hit on Brees last season. That hit on the sliding QB was illegal and a right call. When you play aggressive game you will be penalized more (Hawks top penalty team 2014), no one here was saying it was the Refs trying to job us, even when we had terrible calls. Your team has to win no matter what, the Refs are not holding receivers and committing personal fouls or using racial slurs. So they make 2 bad calls a game, championship teams overcome this by not adding their own to the total.

It seems the difference is Aggressiveness vs Disciplined Aggressiveness. Also teams that tend to be less athletic or not as conditioned will have more penalties usually. Niners are way to athletic to have that be the issue, my guess is it is either conditioning and/or disciplined football.

Two of the top 4 teams in penalties are 2-1. Adapt and overcome, this is a coaching issue if they are unable to do so.

Am I saying they lost because of the officiating? EVERY team has fans claiming conspiracy when the calls go the wrong way. Don't paint me with that brush because I've never said that and have in fact argued the opposite.

 

[Marvin49]

NFL officials are instructed to error on the side of caution with big hits. It will happen again. Even the appearance of leading with the helmet will get flagged.

But let's be honest. the cryingist Niner, Boldin. has been doing the face mask head butting thing for a long time now. He is just pissed that he got flagged for his machismo bullshit. He is incredible as a player, and doesn't need it.

THe Niners are losing because of red zone execution and turnovers and a depleted secondary that needs help from a pass rush, and isn't getting it. They can improve the first two, but the last one may dog them all year.

I love Anquan, but I agree completely with the bolded.

As for Redzone execution...they've actually been pretty good there this year. The problem has been getting knocked back on penalties. Against the Bears Kap hurt them bad with turnovers, but the penalties have been there in every game so far. So has the lack of pass rush.

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

You have to be delusional and live in a 49er bubble to not know this is a penalty . . . blatant forearm and elbow to the head and neck of the QB. But whiners gonna whine.

I'll wait and get the opinion of some of your other posters here, but lets agree to disagree.
Also, while you are searching for that troll evidence I invite you to look at one of my first posts.

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f ... 6#p1319106

Hate is blind

 

[Barakas]

Hey Marvin, I think you are lost.....here, I'll point you on your way.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/

You might find like minded individuals that you can sway with your well thought out arguments.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Come on guys... You know in "Marvin's world" the niners can do NO wrong!
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....but the calls on Boldin, Cook, Culliver (offset a holding call), and several others were legit and inexcusable.

:34853_doh:

Are you STILL here?
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[Sports Hernia]

Actually, Marvin, by rule a defender must pull up once the QB starts to slide. He doesn't have to be on the ground. As soon as you see the guy going feet first it's hands off.

It was a dirty hit.

Mike Pereira disagrees.

Not going to argue. Pointless.

You mean "Baghdad Mike" Pereira?
He might be the ONE guy that spins more than you do!

 

[Sports Hernia]

Hey Marvin, I think you are lost.....here, I'll point you on your way.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/

You might find like minded individuals that you can sway with your well thought out arguments.

He already does. That's Marvin's army over there, they worship the ground he walks on. That's what he expects over here too, and that's why he gets upset when he doesn't get the same response over here. Sad, but true!

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

I reckon Harbaugh's already got his mind on his next job, wherever that may be. Doesn't really look as though he's trying very hard so far this season. I've seen this same sentiment over on the Webzone, too. Do you agree?

Nah.

They aren't losing because Harbaugh isn't focused. They are losing because they have zero pass rush and they are getting penalized at the worst possible times. Some of those penalties are total BS and some were rightly earned by poor decision making.

As an example of the officiating....

1) Cards RB clearly moved early on 4th and one and it wasn't called.
2) Dan Skuta called for Personal foul on a hit of Stanton. Stanton had just begun his slide (was still airborne) and skuta hit him shoulder to shoulder. BS.
3) Willis called on roughing on a blitz. Didn't hit Standon on the head and didn't lower his head. Wasn't late either.

Its gotten to the point were big hits are flagged automatically...just because they are big hits.

In fairness though, there were a number of calls that were JUSTOFIED and Niners were just shooting themselves in the foot.

1) Boldin. Ug. Just got a first down. Would have been 1st and goal form the 6. PF made it 1st and goal from the 21. That drive ended with a blocked 40+ yard FG.
2) Chris Cook essentially manhanding a WR all the way down the sideline on 3rd down.
3) Justin Smith sack on 3rd down wiped out by Defensive Holding on Eric Reid.

There were also some calls the refs DIDN'T make that they could have. Jimmie Ward went helmet to helmet on Stanton but didn't draw the flag.

It goes on and on. I see what most Niner fans see. HORRIBLE officiating. However...they were guilty of enough of these that I really can't put the game on the refs.

"Justified", not JUSTOFIED.


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