Marvin49":17sz5yqi said:
Laloosh":17sz5yqi said:
Marvin, don't be dim... He'd already started his slide. Look at your own damn image. It's a flag. Stop using it as a crutch to hold up this conspiracy that your team is being unfairly targeted. Put on your big boy pants and take your losses like a man.
I respect you Laloosh...
...but that's BS. It doesn't matter that he started. Yes, he had started the slide, but it happens FAST in real time. He was airborne.
As for conspiracy...will people stop putting words in my mouth. I've said REPEATEDLY that there is no conspiracy...just bad calls. That's it. I dunno why that's so hard. Even Mike Pereira said that shouldn't have been a flag.
Don't give me this "big boy pants" BS. I ain't making excuses. They lost. They deserved to lose. I said that at the very beginning and I've never varied. Don't sit ther though and tell me that was a good call though. It wasn't. It isn't an excuse.
Hell...If I were a Cards fan I could point to the Jimmie Ward hit on Stanton that was helmet to helmet. FAR worse than this and it WASN'T flagged.
Don't get all emotional on us. You can try to argue that the contact was unavoidable because the QB waited too long to slide but you can't argue that it's not a flag because he hit his shoulder, Marv. Simple fact. Go read the rule on it.
Seattle's been really good at pulling up at the last second when a QB starts to slide. Your coaches might want to let your players know that when you're taking an angle on a QB who's not running out of bounds, he's probably going to SLIDE to avoid contact. Be mindful of it and you can avoid shit like this. Trying to hit him before he's able to slide is likely to result in a play like this. Flag. Bitching. Conspiracies.
Section 2 Dead Ball
Article 1: Dead Ball Declared. An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended:
(a) when a runner is contacted by a defensive player and touches the ground with any part of his body other than his
hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground. A runner touching the ground with his
hands or feet while in the grasp of an opponent may continue to advance; or
Note: If, after defensive contact, any part of a runner’s leg above the ankle or any part of his arm above the wrist touches the
ground, the runner is down.
(b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends; or
(c) when a quarterback immediately drops to his knee (or simulates dropping to his knee) behind the line of scrimmage;
or
(d) when a runner declares himself down (i) by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and clearly making no immediate effort
to advance, or (ii) by sliding feet first on the ground. When a runner slides feet first, the ball is dead the instant he
touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet; or
Note: Defenders are required to treat a sliding runner as they would a runner who is down by contact.
(1) A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is
illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender
commits some other act, such as helmet-to-helmet contact or by driving his forearm or shoulder into the head or neck
area of the runner.
(2) A runner who desires to take advantage of this protection is responsible for starting his slide before contact by a
defensive player is imminent; if he does not, and waits until the last moment to begin his slide, he puts himself in
jeopardy of being contacted.
(e) when a runner is out of bounds;