Rondy Rousey ... Cris Cyborg ... any comments?

[fire_marshall_bill]

Thoughts: MMA sucks

 

[hawk45]

Just pointing out, it takes quite a while to lose all the strength/size gained from Steroid use. So even if Cyborg tests clean, I can see an argument for Ronda not wanting to fight her.

Peaches, Rousey fought Tate twice, Tate wasn't a scrub. I agree that Cyborg is probably the only person who can challenge here, but it seems unfair to paint Ronda as ducking fighters if she doesn't want to fight a cheater. And a big, big cheater, from the amount of muscle Cyborg put on.

Count me in with those that say Rousey has no chance against a proficient male fighter of any discipline, let alone a world champion boxer. You see guys in the UFC get a taste of a fighter who has significantly more power than they've faced before, and it would be that times 1000 if she survived the first shot.

The whole "grapplers take down strikers" idea is garbage. We've seen just as many grapplers get pasted by strikers. As Joe Rogan says, and I think he borrowed this from someone else, the first time you get punched in the face you lose a belt class. A male opponent with a gigantic strength and reach advantage would have no reason to let he close enough to employ her admittedly impressive judo. About all she could do is dive and attempt to pull guard, that is if she wanted her face split open like a melon from an elbow.

 

[Phteven]

Just pointing out, it takes quite a while to lose all the strength/size gained from Steroid use. So even if Cyborg tests clean, I can see an argument for Ronda not wanting to fight her.

Peaches, Rousey fought Tate twice, Tate wasn't a scrub. I agree that Cyborg is probably the only person who can challenge here, but it seems unfair to paint Ronda as ducking fighters if she doesn't want to fight a cheater. And a big, big cheater, from the amount of muscle Cyborg put on.

Count me in with those that say Rousey has no chance against a proficient male fighter of any discipline, let alone a world champion boxer. You see guys in the UFC get a taste of a fighter who has significantly more power than they've faced before, and it would be that times 1000 if she survived the first shot.

The whole "grapplers take down strikers" idea is garbage. We've seen just as many grapplers get pasted by strikers. As Joe Rogan says, and I think he borrowed this from someone else, the first time you get punched in the face you lose a belt class. A male opponent with a gigantic strength and reach advantage would have no reason to let he close enough to employ her admittedly impressive judo. About all she could do is dive and attempt to pull guard, that is if she wanted her face split open like a melon from an elbow.

All true, but a few things to consider. For people training to compete in MMA, particularly at the elite level, there is no such thing anymore as a pure grappler or pure striker. The guys you see in the UFC are all competent at all ranges of fighting. Striker or grappler is relative to a pool of athletes all trained to fight at any range. A striker in the UFC is going to be at least a competent wrestler. About your only chance of seeing "striker v grappler" in MMA is to go to the Snoqualmie Casino and watch a few amateurs fight.

Mayweather has no experience with grappling at all. He is very specialized. In the context of 'striker vs grappler" he is not a striker. He's a boxer, trained to compete within a very specific ruleset that does not allow elbows, knees, kicks, takedowns or submissions. Clinches are broken up by the referee limiting any dirty boxing on the inside. Boxing is very, very specific and only superficially the same thing as "striking" in MMA.

It's a stretch to think that he would be able to keep Rousey at range. She doesn't need to slip every jab. She just needs to slip one or two.

And Joe Rogan borrowed that quote from Carlson Gracie Sr, who said, “Punch a black belt in the face, he becomes a brown belt. Punch him again, purple.”

 

[hawk45]

Thanks for the quote assertion, Phteven, that's where it came from.

If you feel it's a stretch for Mayweather to keep Rousey at range, it must also be a stretch for Rousey to avoid getting a devastating shot to the face at some point, as that is his core competency.

Difficult to imagine Rousey shaking that off, when she's been stunned by female fighters of much less strength, weight, and skill.

this comes from a fan of Rousey's who believes she is a once in a lifetime talent in the sport, and pretty much the only female MMA fighter who is appointment viewing.

 

[Phteven]

Thanks for the quote assertion, Phteven, that's where it came from.

If you feel it's a stretch for Mayweather to keep Rousey at range, it must also be a stretch for Rousey to avoid getting a devastating shot to the face at some point, as that is his core competency.

Difficult to imagine Rousey shaking that off, when she's been stunned by female fighters of much less strength, weight, and skill.

this comes from a fan of Rousey's who believes she is a once in a lifetime talent in the sport, and pretty much the only female MMA fighter who is appointment viewing.

you're making a specious argument. mayweather's core competency is a very specialized form of striking under a very specific set of rules. If rousey or any other ufc fighter were to put on 12oz gloves and try to box with mayweather, they'd get murdered.

You guys grossly underestimate the difference between striking in a boxing match and striking in an MMA match. Apples and oranges. As I said before, everything down to the stance has to adjust when you open up the rules to include protracted clinches, takedowns and submissions, not to mention knees and elbows. All of which are foreign to a pure boxer.

 

[hawk45]

Thanks for the quote assertion, Phteven, that's where it came from.

If you feel it's a stretch for Mayweather to keep Rousey at range, it must also be a stretch for Rousey to avoid getting a devastating shot to the face at some point, as that is his core competency.

Difficult to imagine Rousey shaking that off, when she's been stunned by female fighters of much less strength, weight, and skill.

this comes from a fan of Rousey's who believes she is a once in a lifetime talent in the sport, and pretty much the only female MMA fighter who is appointment viewing.

you're making a specious argument. mayweather's core competency is a very specialized form of striking under a very specific set of rules. If rousey or any other ufc fighter were to put on 12oz gloves and try to box with mayweather, they'd get murdered.

You guys grossly underestimate the difference between striking in a boxing match and striking in an MMA match. Apples and oranges. As I said before, everything down to the stance has to adjust when you open up the rules to include protracted clinches, takedowns and submissions, not to mention knees and elbows. All of which are foreign to a pure boxer.

If we were talking just some guy pro boxer then maybe.

We'll have to just agree to disagree that there is so little transfer between boxing with different glove sizes and that Mayweather would be so inept with smaller gloves that he would be just utterly unable to touch her despite his size, speed, and strength advantage, which you are grossly underestimating.

Why would Mayweather have to worry about knees or elbows from a woman from the outside so much that he'd have to blow up his stance? She's going to knee him or elbow him past his huge reach advantage?

Mayweather's only concern would be staying away from the clinch and a takedown. That might alter his stance, yes, but why would recognizing and evading a clinch attempt from a much smaller, slower, and weaker opponent render his fists completely useless? Why not assume that Ronda fighting a pure boxer would be befuddled as to how to approach him because it's so different for her (and she's at tremendous physical disadvantage)? The magic glove size?

He only has to land one solid punch. Rousey is unstoppable against woman when close enough to employ judo, and can be a vicious striker of other women when in range, but she isn't some virtuoso striker who avoids getting hit. She takes shots on the way in from small, slow, weak, female fighters.

 

[byau]

Thanks for the quote assertion, Phteven, that's where it came from.

If you feel it's a stretch for Mayweather to keep Rousey at range, it must also be a stretch for Rousey to avoid getting a devastating shot to the face at some point, as that is his core competency.

Difficult to imagine Rousey shaking that off, when she's been stunned by female fighters of much less strength, weight, and skill.

this comes from a fan of Rousey's who believes she is a once in a lifetime talent in the sport, and pretty much the only female MMA fighter who is appointment viewing.

you're making a specious argument. mayweather's core competency is a very specialized form of striking under a very specific set of rules. If rousey or any other ufc fighter were to put on 12oz gloves and try to box with mayweather, they'd get murdered.

You guys grossly underestimate the difference between striking in a boxing match and striking in an MMA match. Apples and oranges. As I said before, everything down to the stance has to adjust when you open up the rules to include protracted clinches, takedowns and submissions, not to mention knees and elbows. All of which are foreign to a pure boxer.

If we were talking just some guy pro boxer then maybe.

He only has to land one solid punch. Rousey is unstoppable against woman when close enough to employ judo, and can be a vicious striker of other women when in range, but she isn't some virtuoso striker who avoids getting hit. She takes shots on the way in from small, slow, weak, female fighters.

For me I get what you're saying, and it's still a tossup. At least if the fight were today. I would still put money on Rousey and still think Rousey figures out a way to get in close to clinch and throw. Rousey is accustomed to fighting a variety of different styles, basically having a larger variety of languages she can speak. A pure boxer has only faced boxers (sure there is some variety there, but not as great when basically there is no holds barred)

If Rousey has time to prepare, then I definitely give it to Rousey simply because of preparation and game planning for the same reasons. She is already accustomed to seeing different styles and I'm sure her team prepares her well to game plan aganist a boxer AND figure a way to utilize her leverage and strength in judo. I dont' think Mayweather's team would be able to prepare him for the wide array of looks an MMA fighter will give you. Once in the clinch, I'm pretty much thinking it's over.

 

[Phteven]

Thanks for the quote assertion, Phteven, that's where it came from.

If you feel it's a stretch for Mayweather to keep Rousey at range, it must also be a stretch for Rousey to avoid getting a devastating shot to the face at some point, as that is his core competency.

Difficult to imagine Rousey shaking that off, when she's been stunned by female fighters of much less strength, weight, and skill.

this comes from a fan of Rousey's who believes she is a once in a lifetime talent in the sport, and pretty much the only female MMA fighter who is appointment viewing.

you're making a specious argument. mayweather's core competency is a very specialized form of striking under a very specific set of rules. If rousey or any other ufc fighter were to put on 12oz gloves and try to box with mayweather, they'd get murdered.

You guys grossly underestimate the difference between striking in a boxing match and striking in an MMA match. Apples and oranges. As I said before, everything down to the stance has to adjust when you open up the rules to include protracted clinches, takedowns and submissions, not to mention knees and elbows. All of which are foreign to a pure boxer.

If we were talking just some guy pro boxer then maybe.

We'll have to just agree to disagree that there is so little transfer between boxing with different glove sizes and that Mayweather would be so inept with smaller gloves that he would be just utterly unable to touch her despite his size, speed, and strength advantage, which you are grossly underestimating.

Why would Mayweather have to worry about knees or elbows from a woman from the outside so much that he'd have to blow up his stance? She's going to knee him or elbow him past his huge reach advantage?

Mayweather's only concern would be staying away from the clinch and a takedown. That might alter his stance, yes, but why would recognizing and evading a clinch attempt from a much smaller, slower, and weaker opponent render his fists completely useless? Why not assume that Ronda fighting a pure boxer would be befuddled as to how to approach him because it's so different for her (and she's at tremendous physical disadvantage)? The magic glove size?

He only has to land one solid punch. Rousey is unstoppable against woman when close enough to employ judo, and can be a vicious striker of other women when in range, but she isn't some virtuoso striker who avoids getting hit. She takes shots on the way in from small, slow, weak, female fighters.

it isn't the glove size. Never said it was. Mayweather won't forget how to box when he puts on MMA gloves. But he also won't magically learn MMA, either.

It's as fundamental as the habits that come from training for a very specific rule set. Good habits in boxing are bad habits in MMA. And vice versa. A skilled wrestler is easy to submit in a bjj Gi because good habits in wrestling are bad habits when you introduce submissions. It's about training for a rule set and understanding what skills crossover and which ones do not. And it's not specific to combat sports. A pro football player can't just walk into a professional rugby pitch and be successful.

And if Ronda rousey, or any other MMA fighter who has no background in boxing were to step into a boxing ring against mayweather, they would absolutely be as befuddled as mayweather in a cage. It goes both ways.

Finally, I've acknowledged that mayweather has a punchers chance. I've said repeatedly that if he does catch rousey, it would be lights out. I just think you guys are grossly overestimating his chances of landing that punch. You are also underestimating the technique that is involved in MMA, and seem to think that mayweather can outmuscle superior technique. Against a novice maybe, but rousey is an elite level grappler. Her clinch and her judo aren't average.

We can agree to disagree. I'm fine with that.

 

[massari]

A couple good articles on the topic:

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/wushu-wa ... versus-men

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/killing- ... nda-rousey

 

[Mike 4G]

It's a bad fight for either unfortunately. Even though the one that everyone wants to happen. If one has to change weight the outcome is already a controversy. I think Ronda is the better fight and pound for pound possible the best mama fighter male or female. But she can't come up and handle the extra weight and stay the same fighter. The same goes for cyborg coming down. She loses power. So I think it is a no win situation. And you lose heat in both weight classes.

 

[SeatownJay]

Well, I guess Rousey isn't unstoppable after all. Holly Holm knocks her out in the second round to claim the title.

 

[253hawk]

rondarousey Fake ass cheap shotting fake respect fake humility bitch - "preacher's daughter" my ass - I see through your fake sweet act now - you're getting your ass kicked tomorrow, and I'm really going to enjoy the beating I give you

Tries to get aggro during weigh-in. Talks crap all the way up until the match. Doesn't tap gloves. Gets KTFO. Have some humble pie, bitch.

Holm is a 19 time world boxing champ and had the perfect strategy. Make chubby little Ronda chase her around, strike, and give no chance for counters.

God that was so satisfying seeing her get absolutely rocked.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

rondarousey Fake ass cheap shotting fake respect fake humility bitch - "preacher's daughter" my ass - I see through your fake sweet act now - you're getting your ass kicked tomorrow, and I'm really going to enjoy the beating I give you

Tries to get aggro during weigh-in. Talks crap all the way up until the match. Doesn't tap gloves. Gets KTFO. Have some humble pie, bitch.

Holm is a 19 time world boxing champ and had the perfect strategy. Make chubby little Ronda chase her around, strike, and give no chance for counters.

God that was so satisfying seeing her get absolutely rocked.

You seem to be such a sad little man to reek of jealousy towards a person you don't know or have any affect on you and your life.

I'm curious about all the misplaced anger you seem to have toward her?

 

[253hawk]

I can't dislike a team/player/athlete for their behavior and attitude? She disrespects her opponents both in and out of the ring, is a 9-11 truther, thinks Sandy Hook was a hoax, and thinks it was 'self defense' to brutally assault her ex because he 'kidnapped' her (somehow without laying a hand on her) yet hypocritically bemoans women-beaters while currently dating one.

She's just a nasty, arrogant person and it was enjoyable seeing her fall to someone that was her complete antithesis. Dunno where the hell you get off thinking it's jealousy. What in the world would I have to be jealous about? There's tons of MMA fans that feel the exact same way about her.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I can't dislike a team/player/athlete for their behavior and attitude? She disrespects her opponents both in and out of the ring, is a 9-11 truther, thinks Sandy Hook was a hoax, and thinks it was 'self defense' to brutally assault her ex because he 'kidnapped' her (somehow without laying a hand on her) yet hypocritically bemoans women-beaters while currently dating one.

She's just a nasty, arrogant person and it was enjoyable seeing her fall to someone that was her complete antithesis. Dunno where the hell you get off thinking it's jealousy. What in the world would I have to be jealous about? There's tons of MMA fans that feel the exact same way about her.

Such petty viscous jealousy is all I see. Why do you care? Nothing she does or says actually affected you and never will.

If you want to be angry why not direct it to someone or something that actually does affect you like our current government, ISIS to name a couple.

 

[253hawk]

What do you care that I care? I'm not angry at all, it's just cathartic to see someone choke on their own hubris. This is like the prospect of seeing Mayweather lose or the undefeated Patriots losing to the Giants. I'm sensing you're only invested in my opinion because it involves XX chromosomes and you're misinterpreting it as some form of misogyny. I seriously doubt you'd care about my opinion if this was a fight involving two men.

I'll direct my opinions toward government and ISIS in threads about government and ISIS. This is a thread about Rousey and her over-inflated hype train which was gloriously derailed.

 

[knownone]

What do you care that I care? I'm not angry at all, it's just cathartic to see someone choke on their own hubris. This is like the prospect of seeing Mayweather lose or the undefeated Patriots losing to the Giants. I'm sensing you're only invested in my opinion because it involves XX chromosomes and you're misinterpreting it as some form of misogyny. I seriously doubt you'd care about my opinion if this was a fight involving two men.

I'll direct my opinions toward government and ISIS in threads about government and ISIS. This is a thread about Rousey and her over-inflated hype train which was gloriously derailed.

The overall tone of your comments is concerning. It's fine to disagree with someone on a personal level and be excited to see them lose, it's another to post incessantly negative comments when describing her, using words like "chubby" and "bitch" it sounds chauvinistic, akin to making gay slurs. The fact that you are getting any kind of cathartic release from seeing her lose, is ridiculous, and sadly it does come of as form of veiled jealousy.

I'm excited Rousey lost, I don't like her personality, and I feel she is overrated...

If you're gonna post in a public forum, maybe a little less vitriol would do some good.

 

[253hawk]

LOL okay...but if I call a male fighter a chubby asshole, it'd probably be fine because it's a guy. Equality my ass. A fighter is a fighter, quit trying to turn this into some sort of gender discrimination.

If you're going to post in a public forum, maybe be a little less butthurt about other people's opinions or set up NetNanny to hide you from offensive things. Go look around on the internet, I'm one out of MILLIONS that has this opinion about her. And trust me, I'm using much nicer words than they are. You've got a long battle ahead if you're going to white-knight Ronda Rousey whether you're a fan of hers or not.

Yeah, she's a real class act.

https://instagram.com/p/-DMAcAhESQ/

 

[Sports Hernia]

:snack:

 

[knownone]

LOL okay...but if I call a male fighter a chubby asshole, it'd probably be fine because it's a guy. Equality my ass. A fighter is a fighter, quit trying to turn this into some sort of gender discrimination.

If you're going to post in a public forum, maybe be a little less butthurt about other people's opinions or set up NetNanny to hide you from offensive things. Go look around on the internet, I'm one out of MILLIONS that has this opinion about her. And trust me, I'm using much nicer words than they are. You've got a long battle ahead if you're going to white-knight Ronda Rousey whether you're a fan of hers or not.

Yeah, she's a real class act.

Calling a male fighter a "chubby asshole" carries no derogatory connotation. Using the word "bitch" carries the stigma of a word that is largely used as a way to demean women. Make sense?

Just because "MILLIONS" of people share your idiocentric views and do so in a more profane manner, in no way means you are right. It means there are other ignorant people who sit inside and post there hate for people they know nothing about, because they won't touch gloves before a fight, because they have differing opinions to your own... it's lunacy