Russell Wilson's contract pushed to next year?

[Basis4day]

If the reports are true, the Hawks aren't "lowballing" Russell. Most people believe that a four year 87M deal is fair.

IMO Russell is just following his agents advice, ask for the moon...........or plan B, take this to free agency where if everything goes as planned (continued elite play + another SB or two) he'll have 10-15 teams fighting over him like a pack of piranha, most of which will have plenty of cap space to over pay.

again 4 years 87 mil is great but we do not know if this is true and what the bonuses and guarantees are or how it is put together. If they offered that but only 30 mil in guarantees that is low balled. So we really still do not know, nor have I seen anything in writing about the 4 years 87 mil only the 4 years 80 mil.

The 4 years 87 million is only a prediction made by John Clayton. He never called it an offer.

 

[Anthony!]

I don't expect the market for QBs is going to jump up by leaps and bounds in a single season. It's not like we'd have to pay Wilson $23M APY this year and $33M APY next year.

There really is no definable market because all upper-tier QBs over the last several years have been extended prior to hitting free agency. We have not seen a true bidding war since Peyton Manning, and he was coming off a broken neck and excluded several teams from bidding. I don't think anyone can predict what the actual market would be if you let every single team bid. Ndamukong Suh would have never got a $116M deal unless he actually went through free agency. His deal blew all market expectations out of the water.

As I mentioned before, there are multiple QB-hungry teams that had upwards of $50-70M in free cap space this offseason. There will be other teams that find themselves in that situation two years from now. If you were the Browns or Jets, why wouldn't you go all-in? Would they constrain themselves to "market prices"? If I was their GM, I wouldn't.

Worse Buffalo, great D, great RB in the AFC or even Worse SF or Rams.

 

[Anthony!]

Clayton is saying the Seahawks most recent offer would make him the 3rd highest paid player in the game.

What we are hearing now from Rapoport is that Wilson wants to be the highest paid player in the game AND that he wants a highly guaranteed deal that a baseball or basketball player would get.

These are the two most recent updates on both sides of the negotiations.

IMO, this is a cat and mouse game. Schneider probably wants Wilson's agent to come back down to earth before he offers him a deal that would make Wilson the highest paid player in the game.

The question is whether Wilson will accept that offer -- my guess would be that it comes after training camp -- or whether he will want even more.

That's the same Rappaport that said we had Allen so I do not buy it. Claytons thing I buy.

 

[Anthony!]

If the reports are true, the Hawks aren't "lowballing" Russell. Most people believe that a four year 87M deal is fair.

IMO Russell is just following his agents advice, ask for the moon...........or plan B, take this to free agency where if everything goes as planned (continued elite play + another SB or two) he'll have 10-15 teams fighting over him like a pack of piranha, most of which will have plenty of cap space to over pay.

again 4 years 87 mil is great but we do not know if this is true and what the bonuses and guarantees are or how it is put together. If they offered that but only 30 mil in guarantees that is low balled. So we really still do not know, nor have I seen anything in writing about the 4 years 87 mil only the 4 years 80 mil.

........and you're not ever going to know, at least not from the Hawk's side. Schneider doesn't talk about contract negotiations. But he has been around here long enough and done enough deals that we've seen with our other elite players to know that he's not the kind of guy that just lowballs players. He's fair and sticks to his word of taking care of his best players.

So if we know all this about Schneider, I'd say whatever Russell's been offered is more than fair. Maybe not the highest paid player with guarantees in the league, but close. IMO if Russell and his agent are asking for Aaron Rodgers money, or more? Than that's crazy.

You mean the same JS that said they do not redo deals until they are in the last year and then do extention but then redid Lynchs deal? Yeah no. Also he made Sherman, ET, Lynch and Kam all the highest at the time at their position, SO why wouldn't they for Wilson and more importantly why would ne expect that.

 

[Anthony!]

If the reports are true, the Hawks aren't "lowballing" Russell. Most people believe that a four year 87M deal is fair.

IMO Russell is just following his agents advice, ask for the moon...........or plan B, take this to free agency where if everything goes as planned (continued elite play + another SB or two) he'll have 10-15 teams fighting over him like a pack of piranha, most of which will have plenty of cap space to over pay.

again 4 years 87 mil is great but we do not know if this is true and what the bonuses and guarantees are or how it is put together. If they offered that but only 30 mil in guarantees that is low balled. So we really still do not know, nor have I seen anything in writing about the 4 years 87 mil only the 4 years 80 mil.

The 4 years 87 million is only a prediction made by John Clayton. He never called it an offer.

true so again for all we know it is still 4 years 80 mil. We really do not know.

 

[Laloosh]

Some of us will just wait and see. Thanks for the click bait thread title though.

 

[Basis4day]

true so again for all we know it is still 4 years 80 mil. We really do not know.

And i haven't seen an article with that number that can't be traced back to Danny O'Neal.

I worry when fan's describe seeing lots of articles giving a number when all those articles are citing the same single source.

 

[Anthony!]

true so again for all we know it is still 4 years 80 mil. We really do not know.

And i haven't seen an article with that number that can't be traced back to Danny O'Neal.

I worry when fan's describe seeing lots of articles giving a number when all those articles are citing the same single source.

LOL true

 

[Shadowhawk]

As I mentioned before, there are multiple QB-hungry teams that had upwards of $50-70M in free cap space this offseason. There will be other teams that find themselves in that situation two years from now. If you were the Browns or Jets, why wouldn't you go all-in? Would they constrain themselves to "market prices"? If I was their GM, I wouldn't.

Clayton talked about this yesterday afternoon on 710, basically saying that teams like the Bills and Jets won't have the cap space in 2016 to make an offer that Seattle would be unable to match, whereas teams like the Browns wouldn't want to fork over two first-round picks. It's in the first few minutes of the linked podcast:

http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_pla ... 13&n=Danny, Dave and Moore

 

[Largent80]

The bottom line is if Wilson wants to play hardball, we have Nolan Ryan, and he has Bobby Ayala.

For 3 years at least.

 

[QuickLightning]

This next year he is playing at 1.5 mi no matter what. If we tag him it is 25 mil they will not use the non exclusive. next year it is 32 mil that is 57 mil in 2 years. and then he gets his big payday and probably even more than we are offering and he has los nothing. ALso the whole 2 draft pick thing is only partial right.

Where are you getting 25M for the first year of tagging Russell?

The 2015 QB tag is 18.51M

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ag-figures

2014 it was 16.19M, so no way it gets bumped up to 25M for 2016. At most it'll get bumped 10-15%, which would be in the 20M range. So we're not looking at a 25M tag amount until at least 2017, maybe even 2018 if it's another modest 10% bump in 2017.

Are you just making up numbers and assuming you're right?

The cap hit for a tag next year based on the top 5 salaries at QB is $25 million (go to Overthecap and do the math if you want). The cap hit for tagging him twice in a row would be 120% of his previous year salary, which would put him over $30 million in 2017.

 

[hawknation2015]

This next year he is playing at 1.5 mi no matter what. If we tag him it is 25 mil they will not use the non exclusive. next year it is 32 mil that is 57 mil in 2 years. and then he gets his big payday and probably even more than we are offering and he has los nothing. ALso the whole 2 draft pick thing is only partial right.

Where are you getting 25M for the first year of tagging Russell?

The 2015 QB tag is 18.51M

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ag-figures

2014 it was 16.19M, so no way it gets bumped up to 25M for 2016. At most it'll get bumped 10-15%, which would be in the 20M range. So we're not looking at a 25M tag amount until at least 2017, maybe even 2018 if it's another modest 10% bump in 2017.

Are you just making up numbers and assuming you're right?

The cap hit for a tag next year based on the top 5 salaries at QB is $25 million (go to Overthecap and do the math if you want). The cap hit for tagging him twice in a row would be 120% of his previous year salary, which would put him over $30 million in 2017.

You are wrong too. That is only for the exclusive tag. The non-exclusive tag is only around $19 million in 2016 and $23 million in 2017. John Clayton has said that if Wilson does not agree to an extension, we would use the non-exclusive tag and match any offer sheet Wilson decides to agree to with another team.

 

[QuickLightning]

This next year he is playing at 1.5 mi no matter what. If we tag him it is 25 mil they will not use the non exclusive. next year it is 32 mil that is 57 mil in 2 years. and then he gets his big payday and probably even more than we are offering and he has los nothing. ALso the whole 2 draft pick thing is only partial right.

Where are you getting 25M for the first year of tagging Russell?

The 2015 QB tag is 18.51M

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ag-figures

2014 it was 16.19M, so no way it gets bumped up to 25M for 2016. At most it'll get bumped 10-15%, which would be in the 20M range. So we're not looking at a 25M tag amount until at least 2017, maybe even 2018 if it's another modest 10% bump in 2017.

Are you just making up numbers and assuming you're right?

The cap hit for a tag next year based on the top 5 salaries at QB is $25 million (go to Overthecap and do the math if you want). The cap hit for tagging him twice in a row would be 120% of his previous year salary, which would put him over $30 million in 2017.

You are wrong too. That is only for the exclusive tag. The non-exclusive tag is only around $19 million in 2016 and $23 million in 2017. John Clayton has said that if Wilson does not agree to an extension, we would use the non-exclusive tag and match any offer sheet Wilson decides to agree to with another team.

If you think a proven, super bowl winning QB, will not receive offers in excess of $24 million and two 1st round picks when tagged with a non-exclusive tag, you're out of your mind. Teams will jump at that chance.

Then you're stuck either paying a "free agency" negotiated price or are still losing your QB.

 

[TheRealDTM]

Not naming names, but it seems like somebody around here took a ton of heat from the peanut gallery about two months ago when forecasting this exact scenario.

"You're crazy!" "There is zero chance this doesn't get done this offseason." "We have plenty of cap room to make this happen." "And Wagner too." "Russ will take a deal that will benefit both sides." "Jimmy Graham's gingervitis is so hot in those shorts!"

:3-1:

Just pay him whatever he wants he's worth more than every other quarterback in the history of the world. Did you know that Russell Wilson accounted for 100% of the snaps taken by offense? He's worth way more than Marshawn Lynch who only handled the ball like 60% of the time.

 

[hawknation2015]

Are you just making up numbers and assuming you're right?

The cap hit for a tag next year based on the top 5 salaries at QB is $25 million (go to Overthecap and do the math if you want). The cap hit for tagging him twice in a row would be 120% of his previous year salary, which would put him over $30 million in 2017.

You are wrong too. That is only for the exclusive tag. The non-exclusive tag is only around $19 million in 2016 and $23 million in 2017. John Clayton has said that if Wilson does not agree to an extension, we would use the non-exclusive tag and match any offer sheet Wilson decides to agree to with another team.

If you think a proven, super bowl winning QB, will not receive offers in excess of $24 million and two 1st round picks when tagged with a non-exclusive tag, you're out of your mind. Teams will jump at that chance.

Then you're stuck either paying a "free agency" negotiated price or are still losing your QB.

And that's fine; we will still match it anyway with the savings from this year. The onus would be on Wilson to (1) reject every Seahawks' extension offer over the next year and (2) agree to terms with another team. And even then, we will match it.

The point is Sgt. Largent's numbers were exactly right for the non-exclusive tag. And John Clayton believes we will exercise that option if we have to.

 

[Largent80]

One last time. Wilson WILL be a Seahawk for at least the next 3 years. That is all you need to know. There is no need to be an accountant here. Frankie says Relax.

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[DavidSeven]

Lol, the timing on Russell's cryptic tweets are always impeccable...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DangeRussWilson/status/610945859723747329[/tweet]

 

[kidhawk]

Lol, the timing on Russell's cryptic tweets are always impeccable...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DangeRussWilson/status/610945859723747329[/tweet]

And alot of his followers freak out everytime (including some of the media types).

 

[hawknation2015]

Lol, the timing on Russell's cryptic tweets are always impeccable...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DangeRussWilson/status/610945859723747329[/tweet]

Now he's just trolling . . . LOL.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

Some of us will just wait and see. Thanks for the click bait thread title though.

How is that a "click bait" thread title? It's exactly what Schefter is suggesting, in the form of a question. At this point it is still a question, but it looks like that's what happening.