Seymour
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rcaido":11njqzcn said:Didn't you know if you underthrow you get better passer rating.
rcaido":319cd80o said:According to some its not elite if you underthrow a ball that only your receiver can get...Doesn't matter if its a higher percentage then an overthrow, its short must mean he isn't accurate enough.
Um Rodgers is #2 on the best-vs-the-blitz list. Nice try.Seymour":2vcvx8j0 said:Sox-n-Hawks":2vcvx8j0 said:KiwiHawk":2vcvx8j0 said:One of the metrics for passer rating is yards per attempt, which is is going to be low for guys like Brady who dump the ball off immediately to the outlet receiver. The more mobile QBs who hold the ball longer are naturally going to be ranked higher, particularly since sacks don't count.
It's really a very poor metric, and an even worse one for situational data sets
Fun fact: Only 2 Seattle QBs have ever had a perfect passing rating for a game: Russell Wilson and Dave Kreig.
Fun fact 2: Peyton Manning had 4 perfect passer rating games, and one 0 passer rating game.
So why isn’t Newton at the top of the list?
Because his theory is a hip shot in the dark that missed the broad side of the barn.
Mariota
Prescott
Rodgers
Newton
Taylor
are all mobile QB's and they all are bottom half of the league.
KiwiHawk":1ijrbjtz said:PS: I like how saying that Wilson is mobile and tends to keep plays alive longer when blitzed is taken as an attack on Wilson such that you all must come pile on defending him. You do know I like Wilson, right? Have been a supporter since Day 1? Right? Or maybe you weren't around then because the bandwagon hadn't happened yet.
PPS: You know not all QBs meet the other criteria for high passer ratings other than staying alive long enough to average over 12.5 yards per attempt?
This is one of the things that is so frustrating about participating on this board. Make a reasoned argument and you are met with strawmen and other logical fallacies just because someone perceives you might be knocking a player they are fond of, largely due to either not reading or not understanding what you wrote. Hell, half the time I don't think people read past the poster name and just respond to what they think your position might be based on something you posted in another thread.
This is why we can't have nice things.
SoulfishHawk":19u9uui5 said:Go ahead and blitz him, good luck with that.
Russ is just really damn good. Not sure anything he does should surprise anyone at this point. This guy can do it all on the field, and most importantly is clutch when it counts. What is more annoying than anything is that people will point out one or two bad plays in a game that he is lights out. As if EVERY QB in the league doesn't make bad throws. Believe it or not, they actually do. :roll:
KiwiHawk":3izawt7l said:Um Rodgers is #2 on the best-vs-the-blitz list. Nice try.Seymour":3izawt7l said:Sox-n-Hawks":3izawt7l said:KiwiHawk":3izawt7l said:One of the metrics for passer rating is yards per attempt, which is is going to be low for guys like Brady who dump the ball off immediately to the outlet receiver. The more mobile QBs who hold the ball longer are naturally going to be ranked higher, particularly since sacks don't count.
It's really a very poor metric, and an even worse one for situational data sets
Fun fact: Only 2 Seattle QBs have ever had a perfect passing rating for a game: Russell Wilson and Dave Kreig.
Fun fact 2: Peyton Manning had 4 perfect passer rating games, and one 0 passer rating game.
So why isn’t Newton at the top of the list?
Because his theory is a hip shot in the dark that missed the broad side of the barn.
Mariota
Prescott
Rodgers
Newton
Taylor
are all mobile QB's and they all are bottom half of the league.
It makes logical sense - you need more time to throw longer, so you have to buy that time unless your OL is amazing at picking up blitzes.
KiwiHawk":2qi7ri5d said:Seymour: I said Yards Per Attempt because it's one of the 4 metrics of the passer rating.
Sox-N-Hawks: Observing that QBs who have a tendency to extend a play looking for a longer throw, Like Wilson and Rodgers, will naturally have a higher passer rating than quick-dump-off QBs like Brady, because yards-per-attempt is one of the metrics of the passer rating, is an OBSERVATION, not a FLAME.
Why must everything here be combative? Can't we have a discussion without people instantly taking sides and assuming the other is attacking? It's getting positively stupid around here.
KiwiHawk":1zqf5fq8 said:Seymour: I said Yards Per Attempt because it's one of the 4 metrics of the passer rating.
Sox-N-Hawks: Observing that QBs who have a tendency to extend a play looking for a longer throw, Like Wilson and Rodgers, will naturally have a higher passer rating than quick-dump-off QBs like Brady, because yards-per-attempt is one of the metrics of the passer rating, is an OBSERVATION, not a FLAME.
Why must everything here be combative? Can't we have a discussion without people instantly taking sides and assuming the other is attacking? It's getting positively stupid around here.
KiwiHawk":1zqf5fq8 said:Um Rodgers is #2 on the best-vs-the-blitz list. Nice try.
Because the metric being measured to rank QBs vs the blitz is passer rating?Seymour":10vhhxg5 said:KiwiHawk":10vhhxg5 said:Seymour: I said Yards Per Attempt because it's one of the 4 metrics of the passer rating.
Sox-N-Hawks: Observing that QBs who have a tendency to extend a play looking for a longer throw, Like Wilson and Rodgers, will naturally have a higher passer rating than quick-dump-off QBs like Brady, because yards-per-attempt is one of the metrics of the passer rating, is an OBSERVATION, not a FLAME.
Why must everything here be combative? Can't we have a discussion without people instantly taking sides and assuming the other is attacking? It's getting positively stupid around here.
Sounds like you not only are confusing others, but also yourself. If you were talking about passer rating then why did you respond talking about Rodgers 2nd in vs blitz?
KiwiHawk":10vhhxg5 said:Um Rodgers is #2 on the best-vs-the-blitz list. Nice try.
Sox-N-Hawks":10vhhxg5 said:If that’s the case, start a thread discussing the merits (or lack there of) with the QBR system, instead of pulling strings on this one. Just some advice.
KiwiHawk":2zz8v4dz said:Because the metric being measured to rank QBs vs the blitz is passer rating?Seymour":2zz8v4dz said:KiwiHawk":2zz8v4dz said:Seymour: I said Yards Per Attempt because it's one of the 4 metrics of the passer rating.
Sox-N-Hawks: Observing that QBs who have a tendency to extend a play looking for a longer throw, Like Wilson and Rodgers, will naturally have a higher passer rating than quick-dump-off QBs like Brady, because yards-per-attempt is one of the metrics of the passer rating, is an OBSERVATION, not a FLAME.
Why must everything here be combative? Can't we have a discussion without people instantly taking sides and assuming the other is attacking? It's getting positively stupid around here.
Sounds like you not only are confusing others, but also yourself. If you were talking about passer rating then why did you respond talking about Rodgers 2nd in vs blitz?
KiwiHawk":2zz8v4dz said:Um Rodgers is #2 on the best-vs-the-blitz list. Nice try.
What did you think it was, shoe size? Wonderlic score?
It even says "According to Passer Rating" on the damn graphic.
Sox-N-Hawks":2zz8v4dz said:If that’s the case, start a thread discussing the merits (or lack there of) with the QBR system, instead of pulling strings on this one. Just some advice.
We used to be able to discuss football on this forum because people knew enough about football to understand passer rating is a different stat than QBR.
Now I not only have to explain they are two different things, but also apparently host a class in the merits of a stat I'm not even using.
And when someone sees such high-falutin' talk as someone understanding the components of the passer rating and how a quarterback's style might influence his number, well that's just an attack against our QB! Joe-Bob, grab the pitchforks! Martha, get yer boomstick!
rcaido":1ak2f8qb said:Erin gets praise for his passer rating...Wilson for some reason pads his stats w/ sacks and because he is a mobile QB.
There is always a slight or excuse for some reason against Wilson...
Wilson cant win without Lynch
Wilson cant win without LOB
Wilson cant throw from the pocket
Wilson is too fat
Wilson is too religious
Wilson has too many distractions
Wilson holds on too the ball too long
Passer rating is not a QB stat
He only scores in the 4th quarter
He only throws 25 times a game not worth the money
His elite number are only elite because its a passing league now
Wilson underthrows
Wilson too short not black enough
Wilson cheats by throwing shoes...
When other QBs struggle...Its the coach, no offensive line, not enough play makers.