Tell the truth

[flmmkrz]

This team wanted a scapegoat for SB 49 and have not gotten it. Curse got and free pass for the terrible blocking, Lockette was retained and Bevell....we know how that went. No one got the stick for the mistake and it has lingered. Had someone got the axe, there would've been some relief in the mind of the players.

Once again, what is proposed here is what a loser team would do. Thank goodness we are a professional organization that isn't petty like that.

You talk like you've been running a franchise for the last decade and have some inside knowledge that the rest of us don't. You don't have a clue what is going on behind the doors any more than we do. As I said in another thread, there are 2 recent examples of great coaches, Belichek and Saban both making coaching changes in the middle of seasons and those are 2 pretty successful coaches so the reality is sometimes changes are good and sometimes they are bad. You don't make a change for the sake of making a change but you have to not be afraid to make a change when something isn't working. A good management team knows this.

And a good management team knows not to disrupt something that is working. The Bills and Rams weren't working, so they made a change. We are very much working, so no upheaval is necessary. We are one of the elites.

What you saw yesterday and this season is your idea of what is working? Your mistake is thinking that sucking is the only form of not working but under performing is another form of not working. This team has lots of talent, enough to get by bad teams, average teams despite not playing well and occasionally they rise up to play to potential but that lack of consistency has cost them in the playoffs for a couple seasons now. If they play well and lose I would listen to your argument that it's working but we didn't lose in style, we lost ugly. We were lucky to get past minny last year, we got trounced by carolina, and we were gifted the lions but got run over by Atlanta. It's not working, it hasn't been working for a couple seasons now. We are an elitely talented team playing like a middling team and that blame has to fall somewhere. Again I ask, if you can't ship out players what is left?

 

[flmmkrz]

This team wanted a scapegoat for SB 49 and have not gotten it. Curse got and free pass for the terrible blocking, Lockette was retained and Bevell....we know how that went. No one got the stick for the mistake and it has lingered. Had someone got the axe, there would've been some relief in the mind of the players.

Once again, what is proposed here is what a loser team would do. Thank goodness we are a professional organization that isn't petty like that.

You talk like you've been running a franchise for the last decade and have some inside knowledge that the rest of us don't. You don't have a clue what is going on behind the doors any more than we do. As I said in another thread, there are 2 recent examples of great coaches, Belichek and Saban both making coaching changes in the middle of seasons and those are 2 pretty successful coaches so the reality is sometimes changes are good and sometimes they are bad. You don't make a change for the sake of making a change but you have to not be afraid to make a change when something isn't working. A good management team knows this. You can't settle with being good when you have the potential to be better. It's hard to believe that anybody would think that this team is getting the most out of it's assets right now, and the reality is you can't make sweeping changes to the roster so what is left if you can't change the roster and it is isn't playing to potential? keep doing the same thing and hope it changes?

Let me add that when Denver went to the SB and lost against this very team, they fired their coach and brought in new blood. They fired their coach after going to the SB. So what happened in Denver? They won the SB two years later. Firing on a successful team can work, there are ample examples of it doing so. There is no point in denying that.

spot on.

 

[Siouxhawk]

This team wanted a scapegoat for SB 49 and have not gotten it. Curse got and free pass for the terrible blocking, Lockette was retained and Bevell....we know how that went. No one got the stick for the mistake and it has lingered. Had someone got the axe, there would've been some relief in the mind of the players.

Once again, what is proposed here is what a loser team would do. Thank goodness we are a professional organization that isn't petty like that.

You talk like you've been running a franchise for the last decade and have some inside knowledge that the rest of us don't. You don't have a clue what is going on behind the doors any more than we do. As I said in another thread, there are 2 recent examples of great coaches, Belichek and Saban both making coaching changes in the middle of seasons and those are 2 pretty successful coaches so the reality is sometimes changes are good and sometimes they are bad. You don't make a change for the sake of making a change but you have to not be afraid to make a change when something isn't working. A good management team knows this. You can't settle with being good when you have the potential to be better. It's hard to believe that anybody would think that this team is getting the most out of it's assets right now, and the reality is you can't make sweeping changes to the roster so what is left if you can't change the roster and it is isn't playing to potential? keep doing the same thing and hope it changes?

Let me add that when Denver went to the SB and lost against this very team, they fired their coach and brought in new blood. They fired their coach after going to the SB. So what happened in Denver? They won the SB two years later. Firing on a successful team can work, there are ample examples of it doing so. There is no point in denying that.

Fox wasn't fired. They just agreed to go in different directions.

Also, Elway wanted to be reunited with his buddy Kubiak. That worked for 1 year and then they missed the playoffs.

 

[flmmkrz]

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Also, Elway wanted to be reunited with his buddy Kubiak. That worked for 1 year and then they missed the playoffs.

call it what you will but they decided to make a change

losing your starting qb will do that to a team. Totally different situation and you know it.

 

[Siouxhawk]

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Also, Elway wanted to be reunited with his buddy Kubiak. That worked for 1 year and then they missed the playoffs.

call it what you will but they decided to make a change

losing your starting qb will do that to a team. Totally different situation and you know it.

Just like we were working with our QB limited earlier this year and we faced an explosive passing offense without our eraser on defense. Those are realistic circumstances that happen in an NFL season and the elixir of making a coaching change isn't a sure fire panacea, especially with a team enjoying a high level of success.

 

[flmmkrz]

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Also, Elway wanted to be reunited with his buddy Kubiak. That worked for 1 year and then they missed the playoffs.

call it what you will but they decided to make a change

losing your starting qb will do that to a team. Totally different situation and you know it.

Just like we were working with our QB limited earlier this year and we faced an explosive passing offense without our eraser on defense. Those are realistic circumstances that happen in an NFL season and the elixir of making a coaching change isn't a sure fire panacea, especially with a team enjoying a high level of success.

Russ was healthy last year...earl was there last year, and still we had our struggles on both sides of the ball and at key times those units let the team down. If you could chalk it up to a single season with injuries you have to accept fate but 2 straight years of this under performing and inconsistency is a trend in the making. You want to be trending in the right direction. A coaching change isn't sure fire, but we know what we have as is. We have seen what Bevell and Richard bring to the tablem we know what the units look like under their watch...It is good enough to get a round if we get a good draw and or some luck and some help in division but it isn't enough to get us over the hump...is it enough to just be good, or do you risk trying to be better ? that's the risk but you play to win championships not to make the playoffs

 

[RolandDeschain]

I've also wondered why Pete's "always compete" mantra doesn't apply to coaches for a couple of years now, too.