The elephant in the room (Graham)

[MontanaHawk05]

Graham hasn't popped a lot. But thats more cause RW is scrambling for his life back there.

Oftentimes Graham has already gotten to his spot by the time Wilson runs. He's not doing a lot of long-developing plays out there.

The OL is falling apart on some plays, on other plays Wilson is tucking and running too soon.

 

[gowazzu02]

The elephant in the room last night was Rawls. The Lions showed no respect to him and brought their outside linebackers to squeeze Wilson all night. This doesn't happen if beast mode plays. We desperately need a successor.

We're getting a glimpse of the future when a mortal back plays behind this line.

Thus is Cable's status as genius finally laid to rest.

Again how many times do we need to have this conversation. The reason we have the defense we do with 9 of the starting 11 on SECOND contracts and a QB making 20 plus mil a year is cause we are going bargain shopping on oline.

Cable has a converted TE at RT a converted D lineman at RG and C, a converted RT at RG and okung.....

IT will get better. hopefully. But Cables "lack of" coaching is not the reason he hasn't put more lipstick on this pig yet.

He picked the groceries and set the table.Who is to blame?
You cant draft tackles and make them guards,udfa guards like bailey and make them tackles,spend draft picks on OLman and have them sit behind DL and college TEs.It has never worked and it isnt working now.
Either you cant evaluate college lineman or you are a bad coach.I think its both.

Ah yes, Carp and Moffit, Ok so he made two mistakes 4 or was it 5 years ago...... Oh btw, Carp was turned into an above average guard who got a big second contract from another nfl team..... Again when you pay your oline peanuts, don't be surprised when they produce like this.

Oline play is horrible all over the league, in part to the spread offense in college, olineman today dont know how to move forward. So Cables solution? Converting players to line and teaching them himself.

It's rough now, I get it. But firing cable is NOT the answer, and thank god your not in a position to make any decisions besides whether to turn the channel or not.

 

[oldhawkfan]

IMHO the elephant in the room is our o line

Maybe an elephant on the line would be an improvement. There was once a disney movie about Gus the field goal kicking mulke. Why not an elephant? Got to be better than what we currently have.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

https://twitter.com/SprowESPN/status/651221408861655041

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't see what the constant consternation about Graham is.

Right now this is a run first offense with a horrific O-line and a QB running for his life seemingly every play. That all spells "hey Jimmy, you're not going to get the ball on a consistent basis, so chill out."

I also saw on numerous plays last night when Russell was scrambling every receiver EXCEPT Graham was also scrambling trying to work their way back to Russell to give him someone to throw to. Graham quits on too many plays if he doesn't get the ball right away and doesn't work hard enough to get open.

So this isn't all on Bevell, the O-line and/or Russell.

 

[SeahawksFanForever]

I don't see what the constant consternation about Graham is.

Right now this is a run first offense with a horrific O-line and a QB running for his life seemingly every play. That all spells "hey Jimmy, you're not going to get the ball on a consistent basis, so chill out."

I also saw on numerous plays last night when Russell was scrambling every receiver EXCEPT Graham was also scrambling trying to work their way back to Russell to give him someone to throw to. Graham quits on too many plays if he doesn't get the ball right away and doesn't work hard enough to get open.

So this isn't all on Bevell, the O-line and/or Russell.

This. Plus, Graham was wide open on the long pass play to Chris Mathhews. Wilson chose Mathhews over Graham because It was a bigger completion for the first down. I am completely fine with Wilson's approach to distribute the ball around and not favor one receiver.

 

[Hawks46]

I just don't understand how other teams can complete passes to the TE against our defense (which is one of the best in the league) in under 2 seconds while we struggle getting the ball in the seams to the biggest and fastest TE in the league.

That has to be on Russ. If teams are stacking the box, they can't account for Graham that quickly. If they're blitzing, there's a hole in the zone. SOMEONE is open, and open quickly.

 

[justafan]

Again how many times do we need to have this conversation. The reason we have the defense we do with 9 of the starting 11 on SECOND contracts and a QB making 20 plus mil a year is cause we are going bargain shopping on oline.

Cable has a converted TE at RT a converted D lineman at RG and C, a converted RT at RG and okung.....

IT will get better. hopefully. But Cables "lack of" coaching is not the reason he hasn't put more lipstick on this pig yet.[/quote]


He picked the groceries and set the table.Who is to blame?
You cant draft tackles and make them guards,udfa guards like bailey and make them tackles,spend draft picks on OLman and have them sit behind DL and college TEs.It has never worked and it isnt working now.
Either you cant evaluate college lineman or you are a bad coach.I think its both.[/quote]


Ah yes, Carp and Moffit, Ok so he made two mistakes 4 or was it 5 years ago...... Oh btw, Carp was turned into an above average guard who got a big second contract from another nfl team..... Again when you pay your oline peanuts, don't be surprised when they produce like this.

Oline play is horrible all over the league, in part to the spread offense in college, olineman today dont know how to move forward. So Cables solution? Converting players to line and teaching them himself.

It's rough now, I get it. But firing cable is NOT the answer, and thank god your not in a position to make any decisions besides whether to turn the channel or not.[/quote]

So we pick up a couple DL udfa to replace Sweezy and Okung next year because nobody can find college olineman anymore.Thats a garbage excuse for poor decisions made by Cable and the FO in evaluating and coaching the oline

The team is painted in a corner with the decisions made.If its not Cables fault who is to blame?

What has Cable done to make you believe he is a great evaluator of talent , even a great coach or that it isnt his fault?

I have looked at his coaching career and I dont see it.I dont see anything that makes me think he is the great coach or talent evaluator other people say he is.

 

[Basis4day]

I just don't understand how other teams can complete passes to the TE against our defense (which is one of the best in the league) in under 2 seconds while we struggle getting the ball in the seams to the biggest and fastest TE in the league.

That has to be on Russ. If teams are stacking the box, they can't account for Graham that quickly. If they're blitzing, there's a hole in the zone. SOMEONE is open, and open quickly.

I guess that depends on how soft of a zone the D's we play give us.

The Hawks do it, knowing the receiver is going to get blasted after he catches the ball.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I just don't understand how other teams can complete passes to the TE against our defense (which is one of the best in the league) in under 2 seconds while we struggle getting the ball in the seams to the biggest and fastest TE in the league.

That has to be on Russ. If teams are stacking the box, they can't account for Graham that quickly. If they're blitzing, there's a hole in the zone. SOMEONE is open, and open quickly.

Other than Gronk, who catches balls against EVERYONE, I don't remember very many TE's that have had success against our D.........including Graham when he played against us, we'd always shut his ass down.

Gronk and Gates are the only two I can think of that have done well against us the past 3-4 years.

 

[justafan]

I know he is a pass catcher and not really a TE but plays like this show lack of heart and effort.
This just isnt the way the Seahawks have played the last few years.IMO you dont win SBs with these kind of players.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/10/jimmy-g ... -to-a-sack

 

[mrt144]

I know he is a pass catcher and not really a TE but plays like this show lack of heart and effort.
This just isnt the way the Seahawks have played the last few years.IMO you dont win SBs with these kind of players.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/10/jimmy-g ... -to-a-sack

Let's just stop pretending he's a TE move on without that basis to tinge our expectations. He shouldn't be asked to block like a TE since he clearly has never played like one. He was right to fight for the WR designation.

 

[justafan]

I know he is a pass catcher and not really a TE but plays like this show lack of heart and effort.
This just isnt the way the Seahawks have played the last few years.IMO you dont win SBs with these kind of players.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/10/jimmy-g ... -to-a-sack

Let's just stop pretending he's a TE move on without that basis to tinge our expectations. He shouldn't be asked to block like a TE since he clearly has never played like one. He was right to fight for the WR designation.

In our offense everyone blocks.He is too big to be a puss or too lazy to try.

Most WRs would make a better block there.

 

[andyh64000]

You know those rare trades where both teams end up better? This might be the even rarer version where both teams end up worse.

 

[mrt144]

I know he is a pass catcher and not really a TE but plays like this show lack of heart and effort.
This just isnt the way the Seahawks have played the last few years.IMO you dont win SBs with these kind of players.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/10/jimmy-g ... -to-a-sack

Let's just stop pretending he's a TE move on without that basis to tinge our expectations. He shouldn't be asked to block like a TE since he clearly has never played like one. He was right to fight for the WR designation.

In our offense everyone blocks.He is too big to be a puss or too lazy to try.

Most WRs would make a better block there.

Have fun being frustrated then.

 

[ivotuk]

IMHO the DEAD elephant in the room is our o line

FIFY

 

[tdlabrie]

I just don't understand how other teams can complete passes to the TE against our defense (which is one of the best in the league) in under 2 seconds while we struggle getting the ball in the seams to the biggest and fastest TE in the league.

That has to be on Russ. If teams are stacking the box, they can't account for Graham that quickly. If they're blitzing, there's a hole in the zone. SOMEONE is open, and open quickly.

This.

I know RW scrambles and makes magic, but count how many times Jimmy was freakin' wide open and still Russ targeted somebody else, resulting in some incompletes. Even the TV announcers spotted this and brought up film showing Jimmy standing all alone. Russ is great but, IMO he's the reason Jimmy's not getting anything.

 

[253hawk]

I think we will see him get used effectively in redzone situations. Unfortunately, our only redzone situation last night became "and goal to go" from the 30 before we could target Graham for a short td.

Wilson tried to throw him an isolated fade from the 9 yard line right before the 2 minute warning but didn't get it off in time. Then we lost 20 yards on sacks and had to kick a FG.

 

[Jville]

Does anyone miss Zack Miller? Does anyone miss his pass protection? Does anyone miss his run blocking? Does anyone miss the play call uncertainty he brought to the field.

I think specialists make offensive play calls more predictable via which ones are deployed on any one play. Defenses do not need to think as much and can play faster against specialist.

I miss TE Zack Miller.

 

[bjornanderson21]

The elephant in the room last night was Rawls. The Lions showed no respect to him and brought their outside linebackers to squeeze Wilson all night. This doesn't happen if beast mode plays. We desperately need a successor.

We're getting a glimpse of the future when a mortal back plays behind this line.

Thus is Cable's status as genius finally laid to rest.

Again how many times do we need to have this conversation. The reason we have the defense we do with 9 of the starting 11 on SECOND contracts and a QB making 20 plus mil a year is cause we are going bargain shopping on oline.

Cable has a converted TE at RT a converted D lineman at RG and C, a converted RT at RG and okung.....

IT will get better. hopefully. But Cables "lack of" coaching is not the reason he hasn't put more lipstick on this pig yet.

Cable doesn't "have" those guys, he CHOSE those guys.

Cable isn't trying to convert players because that's what he's being given. Cable is ASKING for these guys and the results are not good.

In all likelihood Cable is a below-average OL coach.