hawknation2015
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Sorry, you don't give up two of your best players and expect to get better.
Trimming the fat.
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hawknation2015":19krdsio said:
You could absolutely be right.
What did you think of Earl's comments yesterday following the game? Or this summer, when asked about Kam's holdout?
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hawknation2015":28aybxt0 said:
And, are we good with rolling with this offensive line for next season? Because without some hard decisions being made, there's no money to bring in some talent.
Hasselbeck":3v19156i said:
I agree with you about Kam (since they don't have a good replacement and he's the best SS) but if Frank Clark starts to show his potential I'd love them to trade Bennett for a high draft pick (2nd maybe?) and spend his money towards OL/CB.
Or Even if Clark doesn't show anything, if they can sign a Muhammad Wilkerson esque DE then trade Bennett for a pick, I'd be happy with that. Even though Wilkerson would probably have more of a cap hit then Bennett.
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Hawk_Nation":330mr96g said:
I didn't realize the dead money involved. I'm not suggesting to drop Wright due to performance, my thinking was strictly finances. I think he's more expendable than guys like Bennett, Kam, Thomas, Wagner, and Sherman. We saw what the team looked like without Kam for the first two games....it wasn't pretty. Without Sherman or Thomas, the secondary would be worse. Wagner is the best LB on the team....bar none. Bennett is the best DL on the team and their only consistent pass rusher. Thus someone had to go to clear up some $ room. That's why KJ is most expendable, he does a lot of things well but isn't exceptional.
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Everyone says "spend money on OL!" as though it's so easy to find an entire OL in FA. Or at least impact pieces.
Evan Mathis was seen as a possible match made in heaven and he's been pretty subpar in Denver.
Go look at the 2016 free agents and point out realistic options to fix this OL. I hate to break it to you guys, but the pickings are slim when it comes to quality and affordability.
The only way this OL gets repaired is via the draft and hitting a home run on a bargain bin FA like we did with Breno.
Our depth on the DL isn't what it's cracked up to be either. Clark could be a great player, but he's not yet. Marsh is still pretty average at best. Hill can't stay healthy. Mebane is getting old and is going to probably leave in FA next year anyway.
A lot of the secondary's issues right now begin and end with a DL that's not getting to the QB when it matters the most. So how does removing the best DL and the best SS help either of those issues?
Evan Mathis was seen as a possible match made in heaven and he's been pretty subpar in Denver.
Go look at the 2016 free agents and point out realistic options to fix this OL. I hate to break it to you guys, but the pickings are slim when it comes to quality and affordability.
The only way this OL gets repaired is via the draft and hitting a home run on a bargain bin FA like we did with Breno.
Our depth on the DL isn't what it's cracked up to be either. Clark could be a great player, but he's not yet. Marsh is still pretty average at best. Hill can't stay healthy. Mebane is getting old and is going to probably leave in FA next year anyway.
A lot of the secondary's issues right now begin and end with a DL that's not getting to the QB when it matters the most. So how does removing the best DL and the best SS help either of those issues?
Evan Mathis is ranked 11th best Gaurd in the NFL this season by PFF. https://twitter.com/PFF/status/655026888688193540Hasselbeck":4fq0bu1f said:
OL free agents they could target are RT-Joe Barksdale, G-Mathis, G-Incognito, C-Wisniewski, RT-Andre Smith. I'm sure there has to be more but not going to look into the whole list of FA OL.
I'd like to go into next season with a few of those guys+Okung+a couple high OL draft picks protecting Wilson.
Not only would Bennett free up cap space to add some FA OL, but he'd give another high draft pick (2nd?) to select a OL/CB/DL.
But yeah, Frank Clark has to show something before the season ends for me to feel good about trading Bennett.
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massari":2t5m4z73 said:
I wish I could chuckle at the fact we took Britt over Gabe Jackson in that draft, but I can't.
Britt, Round 2, Pick 32: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:2
Jackson, Round 3, Pick 17: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:3
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Hasselbeck":8a29yv87 said:
No one is arguing the fact that Bennett and Kam are great to elite talents. You're acting like its unprecedented a team not retaining great players. Do you think the Patriots thought they were better off without Revis?
And I'm not saying strictly the FA market for OL. I'm well aware you just can't magically make a good OL appear. But you still haven't answered my question. Do you feel the Seahawks have made any legitimate attempt to improve their OL?
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There's ways to improve the line. College teams aren't churning out enough NFL quality linemen. The way to improve it is through FA. I know this isn't Madden, but a couple pieces could be brought in. This line is not cutting it in the run game or pass protection. We can't sustain drives to save our life. Do we just sit back and repeat the process next year, and expect different results? Russ is taking shot after shot this season and psychologically it's obviously had a big effect.
The days of getting by with a poor line are over. I think this season so far is proof enough.
The days of getting by with a poor line are over. I think this season so far is proof enough.
Rob12":ly0f4774 said:
Colleges aren't turning out NFL quality linemen available where we are selecting OL, that much is true. It's hard to argue that they don't exist at all or in sufficient quantity that every team should be suffering like we do. No, we are taking an obviously different approach to the whole thing and seeing how it varies from even the pitiful traditional approaches is disheartening.
Unfortunately fixing the line through a few FA acquisitions runs contra to the philosophy of the team build and cap management so they may change that in this offseason but it would be a sea change in front office operations.
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massari":1s9b48ac said:
PFF is as reliable a source for information as Incarcerated Bob. I've watched a lot of Denver games this year and while their line has gotten better, it's still a mess. The Broncos can't run the ball and they are having a hard time protecting Peyton. Mathis is better than Britt sure, just saying he wouldn't have been the savior to this season as everyone thinks.
The best option I see in FA is Alex Boone, and I'm sure he's about to get paid. So I mean again, it will have to be via the draft and a fortunate hit in FA on a bargain bin player like we got with Giacomini.
I once heard that Campbell's vegetable soup had something like 15-20 vegetables in their soup, and now they only have 4-5. They kept taking away vegetables until people noticed, then put back the last vegetable.
This is what I feel about the Seahawks O-Line. They kept letting it get worse and worse and worse. This year it finally took its toll. Time to put back that last vegetable.
And no I don't mean bring back Carp, Giacomini or Unger. I just mean time to bring back some quality and/or real focus.
This is what I feel about the Seahawks O-Line. They kept letting it get worse and worse and worse. This year it finally took its toll. Time to put back that last vegetable.
And no I don't mean bring back Carp, Giacomini or Unger. I just mean time to bring back some quality and/or real focus.
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Rob12":2afjxf5l said:
This is half true really. They're not churning out a ton of them, not like a skill position anyway.. but they are still there to be had. It's just they don't fit what Cable wants to do.
I think at some point, you have to look strongly into hiring an OL coach that can coach up the talent entering the league that is sitting there in rounds 1-3 instead of continually passing them up for a DT that you plan to switch over.
In the 2015 draft alone.. in the first 3 rounds there are quite a few guys that would be better than the crap we have now.
- Laken Tomlinson
- Mitch Morse
- Jake Fisher
- Ty Sambralio
- Ali Marpet
Tical21":3d5lvv8t said:
I'd say Shead can fill in admirably. He did it vs. GB and did pretty well, and it stands to reason he'd only get better full time at SS with full practice and game reps.
Kam hasn't been Kam either. The initial reaction was "whoah, Kam comes back and we get a shutout!" but no one is taking into consideration the quality (or lack thereof) of the opponent. Vs. Cincinnati and vs. Carolina, our defense hasn't looked any better than the first two games of the year.
The biggest difference is something that Kam brought up: Kam is getting paid as the best SS in the league right now, and he's not playing like it. Shead is much cheaper, for the price he's actually bringing similar value.
Hasselbeck":14k4pz59 said:
It's the only way this will be functional given the lack of desire to retain in house OL talent. Honestly, if we're burning through OL players every 3 years by design, there is so much to be desired. I feel like they went the opposite direction where they realized, "hey, if we aren't going to resign any OL talent we draft, we aren't going to put much draft capital into it anyway"
