oldhawkfan
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Super Bowl hangover? Take 2 aspirin, drink plenty of fluids and get over it!
Thunderhawk":wn99toam said:In summation, props to any player still pissed and boooooooooooo Bevell and the dolts that defended him. Whether he is a competant OC was only ever half the issue. Politically he was poison and Pete should have shitcanned that bozo .03 seconds after the interception.
"I think Pete has kept a bunch of civil wars from breaking out."
This isn't a column about Seahawks players berating teammates privately. It's also not a shot at the excellent reporting from ESPN The Magazine's Seth Wickersham that added to what many of us have reported before, widening an already lake-deep knowledge of how volatile the Seahawks locker room is.
This column is simple. I spoke with four Seattle players this week, and they made something clear, stating their thoughts without malice. All four of them, each veterans, made one poignant statement: It's worse than you know.
What seems clear now is that when the Seahawks' final story is written, it will be about how a smart, talented team won in spite of—often publicly denied, but mostly true—inner rifts, slights and divisions.
These players say the gulf between offense and defense has long been bad, hasn't gotten better, never will, and it doesn't matter.
"So let me get this straight": you think keeping Bevell sat well with the players? Do you often ignore human nature? You are just a fan. You don't understand how devastating that fiasco was to a professional athlete. As I previously posted:Sgt. Largent":34k3wpb0 said:Thunderhawk":34k3wpb0 said:In summation, props to any player still pissed and boooooooooooo Bevell and the dolts that defended him. Whether he is a competant OC was only ever half the issue. Politically he was poison and Pete should have shitcanned that bozo .03 seconds after the interception.
It took 36 posts for someone to blame Bevell, you guys are losing your edge.
So let me get this straight, you encourage the players to still hold onto their grudges about the SB loss........as opposed to what would actually help us move on and become a cohesive team with great chemistry once again, letting it go and focusing on 2017.
Thunderhawk":2f94xx7o said:"Imagine working your ass off all season, being "All In", playing though injuries, leaving it all on the field, on the cusp of a second title, the endorsement deals, the bonus cash, the Rings, the parades, the victory sex, the bragging rights, the dynasty - only to have it all stolen from you by one of the dumbest play calls in the history of Sport."
This column is simple. I spoke with four Seattle players this week, and they made something clear, stating their thoughts without malice. All four of them, each veterans, made one poignant statement: It's worse than you know.
Siouxhawk":8sypsm8u said:But the article JTB quotes also makes it clear that even if there is a rift of some sort in the locker room, it doesn't affect their level of play on the field one iota. In fact, it might make them even saltier and play with a greater edge because of it..
Yes, I think you are correct. Even Pete has his limits as far as insubordination and not protecting the team. That's the territory Sherm crossed into and it won't be tolerated. I believe Richard won't be such a Richard this year and he'll buy back into his role. And it's an important role.Sgt. Largent":281010u6 said:Siouxhawk":281010u6 said:But the article JTB quotes also makes it clear that even if there is a rift of some sort in the locker room, it doesn't affect their level of play on the field one iota. In fact, it might make them even saltier and play with a greater edge because of it..
How do you know?
It's impossible to quantify something like chemistry or player grudges into tangible on field performance.
I'll only say this, you don't publicly put on blast actively listening to trade offers for one of your top 2-3 players if you don't think his nonsense is affecting, or will affect your on field play.
sdog1981":ks5er2ea said:The 85 Bears were a split team too. They kept winning for about 5 seasons, it all fell apart with injuries and retirements around 1989. The 2012 Seahawks will probably have a very similar 30 for 30 story about the locker room split. But this team, unlike those 80's Bears teams actually made it to a second Superbowl.
Who would win between a room full of Mini-Ditka's and Mini-Pete's?? 8)Sgt. Largent":228qbdak said:sdog1981":228qbdak said:The 85 Bears were a split team too. They kept winning for about 5 seasons, it all fell apart with injuries and retirements around 1989. The 2012 Seahawks will probably have a very similar 30 for 30 story about the locker room split. But this team, unlike those 80's Bears teams actually made it to a second Superbowl.
Pretty good example. The Bears like the Hawks had a ton of different personalities pulling in different directions on and off the field that Ditka and Ryan couldn't hold together for a long period of years.
BUT............IMO Pete is a far better coach than Ditka ever was, especially at managing a locker room.
Sports Hernia":1k86kaob said:Who would win between a room full of Mini-Ditka's and Mini-Pete's?? 8)Sgt. Largent":1k86kaob said:sdog1981":1k86kaob said:The 85 Bears were a split team too. They kept winning for about 5 seasons, it all fell apart with injuries and retirements around 1989. The 2012 Seahawks will probably have a very similar 30 for 30 story about the locker room split. But this team, unlike those 80's Bears teams actually made it to a second Superbowl.
Pretty good example. The Bears like the Hawks had a ton of different personalities pulling in different directions on and off the field that Ditka and Ryan couldn't hold together for a long period of years.
BUT............IMO Pete is a far better coach than Ditka ever was, especially at managing a locker room.
Who would win between a room full of Mini-Ditka's and Mini-Pete's?? 8)Sgt. Largent":3it0s8gn said:sdog1981":3it0s8gn said:The 85 Bears were a split team too. They kept winning for about 5 seasons, it all fell apart with injuries and retirements around 1989. The 2012 Seahawks will probably have a very similar 30 for 30 story about the locker room split. But this team, unlike those 80's Bears teams actually made it to a second Superbowl.
Pretty good example. The Bears like the Hawks had a ton of different personalities pulling in different directions on and off the field that Ditka and Ryan couldn't hold together for a long period of years.
BUT............IMO Pete is a far better coach than Ditka ever was, especially at managing a locker room.
Sgt. Largent":29i2dcip said:Thunderhawk":29i2dcip said:"Imagine working your ass off all season, being "All In", playing though injuries, leaving it all on the field, on the cusp of a second title, the endorsement deals, the bonus cash, the Rings, the parades, the victory sex, the bragging rights, the dynasty - only to have it all stolen from you by one of the dumbest play calls in the history of Sport."
You say this like the defense had held Brady to zero points. Dude was throwing ALL over the Hawks the 2nd half, including on Sherman. Who's to say even if we scored that TD that Brady wouldn't have driven right down the field and scored to win the game.
They certainly coughed it up to Atlanta 2 years earlier, so who the heck is the defense to act all butthurt over that play, and Bevell? Screw them if they think like this, they didn't play perfect either.............and CERTAINLY haven't since to continue to hold that grudge and act like they're poop don't stink going on 3-4 years now.
Be a damn grown up, stop acting like children, shut up, put your head down and go work. All this nonsense does ZERO to help us win another SB, so why continue it? It's pure unadulterated selfish pride and ego.