chris98251
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My question is if we draft someone and don't know where we will play them and what they are best at what does that say for our evaluation process.
chris98251":1zzjboxe said:My question is if we draft someone and don't know where we will play them and what they are best at what does that say for our evaluation process.
jammerhawk":37olg662 said:chris98251":37olg662 said:My question is if we draft someone and don't know where we will play them and what they are best at what does that say for our evaluation process.
Either that or the continuing reality is the college game is not producing pro ready OLinemen. It's just not easy to find guys who can play capably in the pro game.
Seymour":2zn25466 said:jammerhawk":2zn25466 said:chris98251":2zn25466 said:My question is if we draft someone and don't know where we will play them and what they are best at what does that say for our evaluation process.
Either that or the continuing reality is the college game is not producing pro ready OLinemen. It's just not easy to find guys who can play capably in the pro game.
Which has been driven into Seattle fans by none other than Tom Cable. Funny how that works. Also funny how since we year after year, rank among the leagues worst pass blocking lines (highest ranking for Cable since here #22), that other teams are not having the same degree of problems as we are.
Attyla the Hawk":1x4obntt said:Nor does it account for the fact that Wilson's scramble to extend plays style inherently retards our OLs ability to keep him clean.
MontanaHawk05":22ug9zgn said:Attyla the Hawk":22ug9zgn said:Nor does it account for the fact that Wilson's scramble to extend plays style inherently retards our OLs ability to keep him clean.
This doesn't get nearly enough acknowledgement in criticisms of Wilson. His OL never knows where he's going to be in any given moment.
Nor does the fact that Wilson routinely breaks out of clean pockets and runs without having ever been in danger. Not on every play, but on quite a few.
SoulfishHawk":2sim2ag6 said:? So it's his fault he runs for his life????? ok
Attyla the Hawk":1rchwwr9 said:.....I do concede, that improving pass protection would vastly improve Wilson's effectiveness. Not insofar as I would expect his sack numbers to plummet. More that I think that extra protection would reduce the number of plays where he begins to flee right at the time where his receivers are getting open.....
Attyla the Hawk":1xtoa5i5 said:Seymour":1xtoa5i5 said:jammerhawk":1xtoa5i5 said:chris98251":1xtoa5i5 said:My question is if we draft someone and don't know where we will play them and what they are best at what does that say for our evaluation process.
Either that or the continuing reality is the college game is not producing pro ready OLinemen. It's just not easy to find guys who can play capably in the pro game.
Which has been driven into Seattle fans by none other than Tom Cable. Funny how that works. Also funny how since we year after year, rank among the leagues worst pass blocking lines (highest ranking for Cable since here #22), that other teams are not having the same degree of problems as we are.
To answer all three questions:
1. We know where Pocic can play. This process is more about seeing what else he can do. There's no rush to put him at C, since we have Britt. Nor is there a rush to slot him at OG. Since we're fairly solid there too.
I'd stress, that this concept of trying OL players out along the line is not unique to Cable. This happens on every single team throughout the league. Every team does this. For the same reasons we do. You have to have flexibility because you have a limited number of roster spots. A team can really only afford maybe one or two guys who specialize in one position. Everyone else pretty much has to play everywhere else. Usually that specialist position is OC. So it's extra valuable that we have two players at OC, who may be able to play 4 positions. And it's worth noting too, that if Pocic does take to OG/OT, that allows us to address OC in a future draft. A position where getting quality players late is not altogether difficult or unreasonable to achieve. If Pocic can be more than just an OC, then we have extra flexibility down the line when we have to make future roster decisions.
2. It's not easy to find guys from college who are capable in the pros. It incredibly hard. And every team struggles with this aspect. It's one of the things noted about Pocic that is a departure from our prototype picks in the past. Pocic is very advanced in terms of his skill set compared to guys we've drafted before. I'd expect him to be a lot further along in this aspect.
3. Yeah, our lines haven't been superb. But unless you take things into context (specifically citing who we should have taken otherwise and who we would have sacrificed to get them), then we're all just using circular logic based on little more than fantasy. It's not funny how it works. It's basically a blind criticism with no regard to the decisions that all teams have to make in a draft or on a roster. Nor does it account for the fact that Wilson's scramble to extend plays style inherently retards our OLs ability to keep him clean. It's not an indictment on Wilson. Because other scrambling QBs have similarly laid this handicap on their OLs historically. It goes hand in hand with some of the game breaking plays that he does make. We will get sacks that a traditional pocket passer would simply throw the ball away to avoid. That's never going to go away until Wilson's body breaks down and he no longer can extend plays. A scenario that is assured will occur at some point. He will end up having to learn how to deliver the ball early to avoid sacks that his legs will no longer account for.
Jville":2jkvom9r said:.....As for Justin Britt, what a job Tom Cable has done with him. Britt must be a heck of a student because Cable gave him the Grand Tour. Early on, Britt was privy to the leadership of Max Unger. Then, Britt accumulated significant game experience at tackle, guard and center at a time when the competition across the line in the NFC West has been excellent. He has played on the right side, the left side and in the middle. I can't imagine a better resume for a NFL center. Well done Cable & Britt ..... well done.
So why is there all this hand wringing over why Pocic was drafted and where is he going to play? It's just noise from those who, unfortunately, come up short on comprehending the program at the VMAC.
Me thinks they protest so much ........ they can no longer hear.
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SoulfishHawk":17jfolqb said:Good point, running for you life behind a Swiss Cheese O-Line is clearly the QB's fault. And yet he gets criticized for getting rid of the ball too soon, or for holding it too long. Behind that line, who wouldn't??
Regardless what happens, he clearly is at fault.
Love Russell Wilson ...... but ......you guys are so lost.FidelisHawk":nge9zdym said:SoulfishHawk":nge9zdym said:Good point, running for you life behind a Swiss Cheese O-Line is clearly the QB's fault. And yet he gets criticized for getting rid of the ball too soon, or for holding it too long. Behind that line, who wouldn't??
Regardless what happens, he clearly is at fault.
Well yes, hobbled and playing behind this “swiss cheese” offensive line, he had his career best sack percentage (7%) while having his career highest pass attempts (546) and career fewest rushing attempts (72).
So forced to throw from the pocket and not scramble, his sacks went down and his pass completion percentage went up (career high 66.7%).
Now taking away his most threatening weapon by forcing him to be a pocket passer may not be the best choice for the team or him, but at least by this small sample size, Russell can be (and most likely is) his own worst enemy and certainly puts more more stress on an OL.
That said I wouldn’t have it any other way. I believe for every time he escapes the pocket when he shouldn’t and causes a sack, he more than makes up for it by making a chunk play with his feet or a throw on the run.
Jville":3w46zixq said:Love Russell Wilson ...... but ......you guys are so lost.