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I think Schneider is the LAST concern for the Seahawks. I hope they keep him even after Pete's gone.
TwistedHusky":2uihzpdk said:Total different philosophy. Probably why we didn't get Baker or Rapp. We don't draft the best player for need.
Carroll (and likely JS) believe that teams with the best advantage are the teams with 'field tilters'. The trade for Adams is another example of that.
That field tilting player only comes along (outside of top 10 picks). Once every other year. Outside of 1st round picks even less.
So you start with the realization that it is probably easier to find a great player than a great player at a certain position. You also likely realize that players that fit the physical mold you set, won't always pan out. You likely spend 3-4 picks for every hit. This means you need a greater # of picks.
If you look, you notice we tend to trade back to get more picks that allow us to spin the wheel more.
You are drafting for upside, instead of the ability to immediately contribute (which is the usual measuring stick).
But you are trading uncertainty (the % chance the player can immediately come in and contribute) for the upside. And since your scouting and evaluation processes all center on this, you likely are better at it than evaluating talent to fill immediate holes.
Great for building a program. But terrible for filling holes due to losses to FA or injury. Additionally terrible for shoring up depth in areas of projected need. We seem to try to address that after the fact with UDFA (where we are very good) and trades (where we have a mixed bag of effectiveness).
But this strategy gets you the Frank Clarks and DK Metcalfs that you never would have gotten. It gets the Chris Carsons. Those kinds of stellar finds are not accidents, they are planned.
jammerhawk":2fqu8d44 said:Trader John has a way of manipulating draft picks to make more from less.
Appyhawk":3vk0ees3 said:What GM/HC/Ownership tandem in the league is better than John and Pete and our ownership (ownership beginning with Allen)?
rcaido":1yrv0lw6 said:If we dont make the playoffs 3 straight years in a row.
Right now we are tied for 1st in the toughest division in the NFL. We have the #1 offense and on paper our defense should be decent.
We have the best qb in football and most hype/exciting WR. You got a superstar in Jamal Adams.
Since John/Pete been here they been winning games....So yeah unless we dont make the playoffs 3 years in row, we keep him.
94Smith":3qloxmsi said:Appyhawk":3qloxmsi said:What GM/HC/Ownership tandem in the league is better than John and Pete and our ownership (ownership beginning with Allen)?
Kansas City, Baltimore, and New Orleans.
Flyingsquad23":363oxoqz said:94Smith":363oxoqz said:Appyhawk":363oxoqz said:What GM/HC/Ownership tandem in the league is better than John and Pete and our ownership (ownership beginning with Allen)?
Kansas City, Baltimore, and New Orleans.
Care to provide some or any context or metric to this statement. Or you just like their uniforms look
Nunya":2i43qg39 said:Some of you are a bunch of Karens. If things don't go your way, you're looking for the head of the manager.
I'll just put this here:
https://www.nfl.com/news/why-george-kit ... coach-duos
Rank
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Seattle Seahawks
GM: John Schneider · Coach: Pete Carroll
The 'Hawks operate under a high-risk, high-reward premise when it comes to team building. Schneider isn't afraid to pull the trigger on a blockbuster deal to acquire a five-star talent to boost the roster (see: trades for Jamal Adams, Jadeveon Clowney and Sheldon Richardson). Although some of their bold moves haven't moved the needle on the field, the aggressive acquisition tactics are part of a go for broke strategy that fits Carroll's upbeat and energetic personality. The ultra-positive head coach blends newbies into the fabric of the team while nurturing young players along the way. With Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf and Chris Carson flourishing as homegrown stars for the Russell Wilson-led offense, Seattle's exceptional developmental model and bold acquisitions yield big results (one Super Bowl title, two NFC championships, playoff berths in seven of the past eight seasons) in the Pacific Northwest.
iigakusei":31v1trri said:Although I think it was mostly Pete, the Jamal Adams trade will go down as one of the worst in franchise history, especially after we give him $16 million per year (minimum).
Sgt. Largent":17twg9f6 said:iigakusei":17twg9f6 said:Although I think it was mostly Pete, the Jamal Adams trade will go down as one of the worst in franchise history, especially after we give him $16 million per year (minimum).
That's going to take some doing, because we've had some doozies.
Deion Branch
Tony Dorsett for the #14 pick
Multiple picks, including first rounder for Kelly Stouffer
Jimmy Graham
two high picks for Charlie Whitehurst
three high picks for Percy Harvin
I mean, Adams already leads the team in sacks with missing four games, that's already better than most of these trades.
iigakusei":30jnh4z8 said:Sgt. Largent":30jnh4z8 said:iigakusei":30jnh4z8 said:Although I think it was mostly Pete, the Jamal Adams trade will go down as one of the worst in franchise history, especially after we give him $16 million per year (minimum).
That's going to take some doing, because we've had some doozies.
Deion Branch
Tony Dorsett for the #14 pick
Multiple picks, including first rounder for Kelly Stouffer
Jimmy Graham
two high picks for Charlie Whitehurst
three high picks for Percy Harvin
I mean, Adams already leads the team in sacks with missing four games, that's already better than most of these trades.
Yikes valid point - I forgot about some of those.
It pains me to think we could have traded 1st round picks for a couple of really good pass rushers (or even corners) who actually positively affect this defense.
Sgt. Largent":2bdneg11 said:iigakusei":2bdneg11 said:Sgt. Largent":2bdneg11 said:iigakusei":2bdneg11 said:Although I think it was mostly Pete, the Jamal Adams trade will go down as one of the worst in franchise history, especially after we give him $16 million per year (minimum).
That's going to take some doing, because we've had some doozies.
Deion Branch
Tony Dorsett for the #14 pick
Multiple picks, including first rounder for Kelly Stouffer
Jimmy Graham
two high picks for Charlie Whitehurst
three high picks for Percy Harvin
I mean, Adams already leads the team in sacks with missing four games, that's already better than most of these trades.
Yikes valid point - I forgot about some of those.
It pains me to think we could have traded 1st round picks for a couple of really good pass rushers (or even corners) who actually positively affect this defense.
When's the last time we had a great 1st round pick? Bruce Irvin? Earl Thomas? Okung?
Sorry, I'll take one of the top 10 defenders in the league for the next 5-6 years over more 1st round duds.
iigakusei":16ku9a23 said:Absolutely true - although I think that is a bad reason to justify the trade. We suck at drafting in the 1st round is a bigger issue. And so far I just don't see how Adams makes this defense any better. I actually think he makes them worse than with McDougald because they are so infatuated with blitzing him too much. Lets see how he does tonight because he should be spying Murray a lot. Anyway more of an off-season discussion about the overall roster construction and coaching on the defense both being terrible.