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He's a JAG. I wouldn't tender him. If he wants to come back badly enough to be paid as a #4, I'm fine with that.
bbsplitter":3ud8qds5 said:If people are seriously considering cutting Miller to save 3mil and swallow 1mil in guarantees while doing it, one of the best blocking TE in the NFL that this team chose to pay 11mil for a season... There is no way in hell I would put a tender of 2.5mil on kearse, essentially a depth player. The same type of plays he makes are the type of plays I would expect Norwood to be able to make if given the opportunity.
Sgt. Largent":1obixbb3 said:bbsplitter":1obixbb3 said:If people are seriously considering cutting Miller to save 3mil and swallow 1mil in guarantees while doing it, one of the best blocking TE in the NFL that this team chose to pay 11mil for a season... There is no way in hell I would put a tender of 2.5mil on kearse, essentially a depth player. The same type of plays he makes are the type of plays I would expect Norwood to be able to make if given the opportunity.
Yeah it'll be interesting to see what happens with Miller.
Normally in an injury plagued season for a veteran the team asks him to rework his contract to a lower amount with incentives, but Miller already did that last year. So would he do it again?
My guess is he'd like to stay, but would he like to stay enough to take ANOTHER pay cut? Or come back like Rice did last year on a "prove it during camp" agreement? Hard to say.
I do know we missed Miller terribly after he went down. If I had to guess we go hard after a TE in FA, and if one is signed Miller is cut saving us 3M.........but as with last year if we can't get something done in FA then Miller is kept at the 4M.
bbsplitter":2g6tjdw1 said:I see what you are saying about if we sign a big free agent we might simply have to cut him no matter what, and I agree. However if that is the case I see them more of going after depth through the draft, maybe even sticking a converted athletic lineman out there and seeing what he can do, but obviously that would be more long term development passing-game wise. But it would fill the flexible blocking piece they like to have, and at a tiny price.
Sgt. Largent":1x31mftz said:bbsplitter":1x31mftz said:I see what you are saying about if we sign a big free agent we might simply have to cut him no matter what, and I agree. However if that is the case I see them more of going after depth through the draft, maybe even sticking a converted athletic lineman out there and seeing what he can do, but obviously that would be more long term development passing-game wise. But it would fill the flexible blocking piece they like to have, and at a tiny price.
IMO drafting a TE and not signing a veteran for depth is very risky.
We know because that's basically what we've been playing with without Miller, unproven and inconsistent draft picks.
Not saying we shouldn't keep drafting TE's, but with Miller's health and contract up in the air it should be priority #1 to go after a proven dependable veteran in free agency.
bbsplitter":2dgppy9s said:Sgt. Largent":2dgppy9s said:bbsplitter":2dgppy9s said:I see what you are saying about if we sign a big free agent we might simply have to cut him no matter what, and I agree. However if that is the case I see them more of going after depth through the draft, maybe even sticking a converted athletic lineman out there and seeing what he can do, but obviously that would be more long term development passing-game wise. But it would fill the flexible blocking piece they like to have, and at a tiny price.
IMO drafting a TE and not signing a veteran for depth is very risky.
We know because that's basically what we've been playing with without Miller, unproven and inconsistent draft picks.
Not saying we shouldn't keep drafting TE's, but with Miller's health and contract up in the air it should be priority #1 to go after a proven dependable veteran in free agency.
Technically Moeaki is a veteran, if they decide to keep around he would be back at camp for fairly cheap I would think. The problem is if your talking prominent FA TE's, most of the ones on the market now are the pass-catching type, and I don't know how many would be attracted to Seattle's system without over-paying by some amount. And if your talking a dollar for dollar deal where we cut Miller to save 3 mil and then sign another TE for 3mil, I think that would only get you an average TE and an overall downgrade from Miller, even with injury history.
SomersetHawk":2b5f8s76 said:I couldn't care if his official drops were 2, I can think of at least five.
kearly":2077cnsn said:No brainer.
What's up with all the comments saying he's a #4 WR? Did I watch a different team last season? Kearse finished 2nd on the team in receiving yards and 1st in postseason receiving yards. Kearse is the 2nd best WR on our team, and by far the best deep threat our team has right now... on a team that throws deep as much as anyone in the NFL. He's almost as valuable to our offense as Doug Baldwin- for half the salary. If Kearse isn't worth $2.5 million for 1 year, then what do we make of Doug Baldwin's 2/11 extension?
Mostly, my aversion to pinching pennies on Kearse is that our receiving core frankly stinks at attacking the deep ball right now, with the exception of Kearse, who's well above average at it. If we lose Kearse, it means our deep passing attack will be much worse, and considering how much Seattle relies on explosive plays, that's a big deal. That's not something you pinch pennies over.
kearly":1c5y2vr0 said:No brainer.
What's up with all the comments saying he's a #4 WR? Did I watch a different team last season? Kearse finished 2nd on the team in receiving yards and 1st in postseason receiving yards. Kearse is the 2nd best WR on our team, and by far the best deep threat our team has right now... on a team that throws deep as much as anyone in the NFL. He's almost as valuable to our offense as Doug Baldwin- for half the salary. If Kearse isn't worth $2.5 million for 1 year, then what do we make of Doug Baldwin's 2/11 extension?.
kearly":pxkj3ezz said:No brainer.
What's up with all the comments saying he's a #4 WR? Did I watch a different team last season? Kearse finished 2nd on the team in receiving yards and 1st in postseason receiving yards. Kearse is the 2nd best WR on our team, and by far the best deep threat our team has right now... on a team that throws deep as much as anyone in the NFL. He's almost as valuable to our offense as Doug Baldwin- for half the salary. If Kearse isn't worth $2.5 million for 1 year, then what do we make of Doug Baldwin's 2/11 extension?
That's because what would have been drops became interceptions [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][emoji19]TDOTSEAHAWK":2npzryj6 said:This thread is mildly crazy although the poll is correct. We will 100% tender him. There is NO doubt of this.
He will have to be at least a second round tender because he was undrafted so $2 million but I would expect us to sign him to a 2-3 year deal with more money upfront.
Also, this drop thing is simply not correct. His drop rate is 2.9% with only 2 drops credited to him this season.
He would be a WR3 and well worth it at 2 million as he can step into a starting role for brief periods of time and has shown great comfort within the system.